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At&t is the weak link in this whole equation- Really with the iPhone being updated on a yearly basis they need to rethink their subsidary policies... but here isn't the place to rant.

I just hope the FCC opens it up so we can use the iPhone to the full extent it's capable of.

Maybe At&t needs to see the pre's success to light the fire under their butts.

3 price levels would be interesting. $199 / 2 year contract. $349/1 year contract, $499 no contract.

It really irks me that I had to renew my 2 year contract when I bought the original for $599. Exactly why did I have to sign a contract?

I was used to Tmobile that didn't make you sign a contract. When you did, because you got a subsidized phone, it was a 1 year contract.

Best phone company I ever had was called PowerTel. They got bought by someone that got bought by Tmobile. PowerTel let me use my old Nokia with an infrared port with my Powerbook G4 (which had an infrared port) as a tethered modem. ZERO extra cost. People didn't even know what a data plan was back in 2000! But it worked for email driving across the country. Or a web page if you had half an hour to kill.

Powertel also had this very very cool fax service. For $5 a month, they gave you a fax number. People would send you a fax 24/7. When you got a fax it was stored on Powertel's servers and you got a message on your phone saying you had a fax. You could then type in the number you wanted it forwarded to. As a freelancer this was great! If I was somewhere I'd have it sent there. If I was home I'd dig out the old machine and plug it in or I could send it to my free efax number which went to email.

Powertel never had a contract, and it wasn't pay as you go. You got a bill just like ATT.

Where are companies like this? Tmobile was pretty awesome. I wish the iPhone would go there. I loved their 3000 anytime minutes for $39 deal. It was regional southeast deal. But I bought a $20 calling card for any other long distance and I never finished using it up. Ah, the good ol days.
 
There reaching... and $150 a month ????

I pay $220 a month total with taxes etc for 3 phones. 2 - iPhone's, a 3G & 3Gs, and my sons phone on a family plan with unlimited text and data & 1400 minutes.
We have 9,000+ rollover minutes as of now lol

So while the plans arent free they are not as expensive as Sprint is saying.
 
It's not at all difficult - anyone with a career in professional services can easily be using 4000 to 5000 minutes per month.

Does your work pay for part of your plan since it is used for work? My job pays a small part of my cell bill because I am not usually at my desk and I get calls while not at work from them. I could ask get more paid but it is not to bad and it covers some. Or are do you run your own business?
 
Clever marketing

Got to say the eaten apple maybe to signify the end of apples dominence is quite clever but I feel quite optimistic
 
HOW IS THE SERVICE ON T-MOBILE ? Good, Bad, or ?

I'm not sure of you guys have seen the new Google phones coming out, but they look a lot better than the G1:

"Google's Android OS, the [Samsung] I7500 has a gorgeous 3.2-inch OLED screen, a 5MP camera, WiFi, and GPS." and no physical keyboard. Sure, it doesn't have an iPod or the Apple App Store, but it should be interesting to see this 3.2-inch OLED screen once it comes out. Hopefully, the competition will push Apple to make the next iPhone much better.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6...pproved-By-FCC-Likely-Headed-To-T-Mobile.html

And, here is the HTC version: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6...cond-Google-Android-Phone-The-myTouch-3G.html
 

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I switched from the iPhone to the Pre. Sprint has faster data, unlimited texts, MMS and unlimited tv, free turn by turn directions (the only app so far for iPhone is $95) plus the $10 monthly ATT charge.

When I went to Sprint they offered more for less money plus I get a corp discount of 25% that ATT wont allow on iPhone plans.

I loved my iPhone but the multitasking is sweet and Sprint allows me to roam onto Verizon's network for 1/4 the price. Once Apple dumps ATT I will be back.

I was a early adopter of the iPhone 2G and remember the growing pains of that device too and they had NO apps for the first year. The Pre has some growing pains but Palm has already released 2 OS upgrades.

I get the ATT corp discount with my iPhone plan.
 
Meh. :rolleyes:

On a related note, my contract won't be up until October for my 1st gen iPhone but I'm planning on buying a 3G S as soon as my tax refund comes in.
 
2 Things: 1: There will be more apps. The Pre's only been out less than three weeks after all. (And the SDK hasn't even gone public.) Oh, and it can run many classic Palm apps, using the emulator. (Which really should be free, but nevermind.) 2: This is for the 'unlimited everything' plan. Both Sprint and AT&T have cheaper plans with some limits which you can use, but they aren't quite pears-to-pears comparisons. (Although Sprint is cheaper there too.)

The Pre may not quite be a match for the iPhone, but it's definitely a worthy competitor. It can do most of what the iPhone can, bests it in a few areas, and is worse in a few. The only real specific downsides are the smaller selection of apps, and the fact that it can't play DRM'd music and movies. (Which may or may not be a downside, to some people...) The rest is mostly polish, which Apple does very well, but Palm isn't being a slouch in that department either.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in a year or three.

(Yes, I've got one. The battery life was horrible the first day, but has been fine since. The heat is only while both charging and using, from my experience.)
 
The Pre may not quite be a match for the iPhone, but it's definitely a worthy competitor. It can do most of what the iPhone can, bests it in a few areas, and is worse in a few.

I'm glad someone is finally telling it how it really is. Yes, the iPhone is definitely better than the Pre. That is definite. But, the Pre is certainly not a piece of crap, as some people on here are suggesting. The Pre is a decent phone. I wish people would stop bashing it and just start saying "It's decent but the iPhone is still better."
And, let's not forget that competition is a good thing. If Apple didn't have any competitors to the iPhone, they wouldn't have as much incentive to lower prices and improve features to lure in new customers. Constantly knowing that the next version of the phones from any of their competitors could catch up, they are constantly under pressure to keep innovating and keep prices reasonable. Too bad AT&T doesn't have the same incentive (since the iPhone is only on AT&T). That is a perfect example of what happens when there is no competition.

-I own an iPhone3G and I'm very happy with it.
 
The Pre is a solid phone and it will definitely give Apple/AT&T a run for their money.

The Sprint network is way better than the AT&T network IMO. Here in NYC I am lucky to get bandwidth 3Gs speeds on my iPhone of more than 300k. That's pathetic for so-called "3G service". On Sprint and my Pre... I can easily hit 800+ on a regular basis. On my Sprint laptop aircard I can hit 1.5M.

AT&T really needs to work on their network. I was a longtime Sprint user and I just came over to AT&T for this iphone. I am sort-of regretting it because you can really see how great Sprint's data network is when you go to a carrier like AT&T.
 
Good, more competition means lower cost of service for us. I hope it gets att to lower the price of service, or at least add more for the same price
 
Does your work pay for part of your plan since it is used for work? My job pays a small part of my cell bill because I am not usually at my desk and I get calls while not at work from them. I could ask get more paid but it is not to bad and it covers some. Or are do you run your own business?

Yep, I'm pretty lucky as my work pays in full for my cellphone and also for the Verizon Broadband service in my work PC.
 
Multitasking...

The Pre can multitask, but Sprint's network doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data, which means all that multitasking goodness (internet access) comes to a complete stand still when a call comes in. Funny how they fail to mention that.

And for all the hoopla about being able to multitask, like it's this new thing in the mobile world, both Android and Windows Mobile can also multitask. This is not new, it is just something Apple chose to limit because of the limitations of the hardware (CPU, memory, battery). Multitasking will eventually come to the iPhone when Apple feels it's ready for it. As of now, they felt that only the core functions of the device should be ale to run in the background; the phone and the music.
 
Have fun with your CDMA phones when even Verizon is abandoning CDMA within 2 years.

Those numbers are obviously cooked up and you are all eating it up like suckers. Unlimited data is a scam to get you to pay more and it is not even unlimited if you read the fine print. I have yet to break past 300 MB of transfer on my phone because *GASP* I have internet access with a WiFI router at home and I have a full time job during the day which leaves me with very little time to surf on my phone Monday to Friday. I also don't bother using Youtube much on my Phone because, again I have a mac at home with 3 Mbit DSL service.

Unlimited texts are another scam to get you to pay for something that you will never use unless if you are a teenager. If you have a full time job, you will not have time to text a lot.

If any of you have an iPhone without having a full-time job, then you are either filthy rich or a spoiled brat siphoning money off your parents. Everyone else have to work most of the week. :rolleyes:
 
Have fun with your CDMA phones when even Verizon is abandoning CDMA within 2 years.

Those numbers are obviously cooked up and you are all eating it up like suckers. Unlimited data is a scam to get you to pay more and it is not even unlimited if you read the fine print. I have yet to break past 300 MB of transfer on my phone because *GASP* I have internet access with a WiFI router at home and I have a full time job during the day which leaves me with very little time to surf on my phone Monday to Friday. I also don't bother using Youtube much on my Phone because, again I have a mac at home with 3 Mbit DSL service.

Unlimited texts are another scam to get you to pay for something that you will never use unless if you are a teenager. If you have a full time job, you will not have time to text a lot.

If any of you have an iPhone without having a full-time job, then you are either filthy rich or a spoiled brat siphoning money off your parents. Everyone else have to work most of the week. :rolleyes:

Why bother with an iPhone at all if data, youtube, texting are all a waste of money? You have internet at work why have it at home?

Your points dont make any sense, I dont need a car I could walk everywhere. I work for a living and text, and use a ton of data on my way to work reading news, answering emails and looking up stock/company info.
 

Now this is totally cool !!!!! I have been using Exilim digital cameras for many years now, and they are excellent digital cameras. I just saw an advertisement on the web and clicked on it. This is not a "camera phone" that is primarily a phone but also has a camera; nope. It's a camera that has a built in phone! It would be like a
Kodak camera, and also has a phone in it. Awesome! http://www.casioexilimmobile.com/

(yes, I am keeping my iPhone, but I think this is totally cool anyways)
although, I could see this useful for certain outdoor events, where I could just pull the SIM card out of my iPhone and slip it in the phone camera, but ... I wouldn't want to be without my iPhone!
 
that's about 2.5 hours a day on a cell phone, excluding nights, weekends, and in network calling. ...how?

Well, the excluding nights and weekends would explain the average of 2.5 hours. I probably push 5+ hours in a 24 hour period of actual talking time on the cell. I don't have a land-line, I'm always on the go and working on something. I have to charge my iPhone twice a day and can never run it in 3G mode or it would die by 10am. The external battery I picked up is very helpful. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to survive on the iPhone at all.
 
The Pre can multitask, but Sprint's network doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data, which means all that multitasking goodness (internet access) comes to a complete stand still when a call comes in. Funny how they fail to mention that.

And for all the hoopla about being able to multitask, like it's this new thing in the mobile world, both Android and Windows Mobile can also multitask. This is not new, it is just something Apple chose to limit because of the limitations of the hardware (CPU, memory, battery). Multitasking will eventually come to the iPhone when Apple feels it's ready for it. As of now, they felt that only the core functions of the device should be ale to run in the background; the phone and the music.

I have been reading all over the Internet how the pre is getting 3 - 5 hours of battery life. How long before they turn off multitasking... I don't think people realized how much a drain multitasking is on something like a cell phone battery.

And really there are only a few apps that need to run all the time like Internet radio. Everything else works great with push service.
 
I have been reading all over the Internet how the pre is getting 3 - 5 hours of battery life. How long before they turn off multitasking... I don't think people realized how much a drain multitasking is on something like a cell phone battery.

Huh? What's the difference. My iPhone gets 3-5 hours of battery life. It all depends on your use. In fact, by just surfing the net and listening to the iPod, I can definitely burn through my whole battery in about 3-5 hours.
 
well it is up, and I am switching to Sprint, but not to that piece of crap pre. I laughed when I felt that thing.

But, what phone would you switch to? Poor phone choice was the reason I switched from Sprint. They may have more in the pipeline, but the Pre is by far the best they have to offer.
 
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