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Absolutely, we can see a similar debate with Adobe and their forced subscription model - I guess we live in an age where renting will become more common in these areas. If it's a good thing, not owning a product, I'm not that sure yet.

With the pricing for Photoshop CC/Lightroom CC ($10/month vs $1400 upfront) we are talking serious time of ownership before owning will ever be a good idea..

In that 140 month upgrade cycle a lot of fun stuff will happen that you would miss out on :)
 
Apparently NO Not if you read and take the wording at face value


"the catch being that the new phone purchased has to be a 16GB iPhone 6, and the monthly rate will increase back to the normal amount after their next upgrade."
This is similar to the lease deal Sprint offered for the iPhone 6 launch. At that time you would pay an additional $5 per month for each $100 increase in the MSRP. I was able to get a 128GB iPhone 6 Plus for an additional $15 per month. As the price of the unlimited everything plan also went down, I am only paying $8 more per month than when I had my iPhone 5.
 
With the pricing for Photoshop CC/Lightroom CC ($10/month vs $1400 upfront) we are talking serious time of ownership before owning will ever be a good idea..

In that 140 month upgrade cycle a lot of fun stuff will happen that you would miss out on :)

Not everyone needs both PS and LR to be honest and not everyone gets those prices. LR costs $149 and PS CS6 $699 so I'm not sure where did you get a price of $1400 at all as it's almost half.
 
I actually think this is a cracker of a deal.

A phone is an asset that depreciated very quickly...so what is really the point in owning one outright? You're probably not going to be using it in 5 years, and it will be all but worthless. It is true that you cannot turn around and sell the phone after your contract 2-3 year contract expires, but the annual savings $240+ per year (compared to competitors) largely compensates for that.

Really, all this deal does is tie you to Sprint.


computers used to last 2-3 years. any phone made in the last 2 years can easily last 5 years. better to carry around a cheap or older phone and buy a nice tablet
 
Not everyone needs both PS and LR to be honest and not everyone gets those prices. LR costs $149 and PS CS6 $699 so I'm not sure where did you get a price of $1400 at all as it's almost half.

Just took the price from memory (and forgot to exclude VAT), the last time I saw a retail box for Photoshop the price tag was somewhere around $1000+VAT. Anyway, even if $700 it´s still a lot cheaper to just rent it for $10/month.
 
I don't get the complaints. Yes, it is sprint, but $75 for unlimited data and always having the newest iPhone. That's a ridiculous deal.

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Actually looking closer it is only $15 if you trade in an old iPhone then the next year it jumps back to $22 a month to lease
 
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Not everyone needs both PS and LR to be honest and not everyone gets those prices. LR costs $149 and PS CS6 $699 so I'm not sure where did you get a price of $1400 at all as it's almost half.

Your math is correct... it would only be $850 to buy PS and LR outright... not $1400 as he said.

But it would still take 85 months at $10 a month until you reached that price.

So you could buy Photoshop and Lightroom once and keep using that same version for 7 years... or subscribe to the PS/LR CC bundle and get continuous updates for 7 years.

The latter is a hell of a deal.

I actually subscribe to the full CC package. I use PS/LR/IL/PP/AE/DW/etc but I actually make money using that software.

I know people hate the idea of subscription software... but I like Adobe software. And if subscriptions are the way I have to get it... so be it.

It's not for everybody... but it works for me :)
 
I love that people continue to bash Sprint and continue to leave. Been with them for 15 years, my plan is ridiculously low ($190 for 4 lines/unlimited data all) and still get a subsidy. I burn through 14-16 GBs a month without blinking an eye.

Laugh at all my other family members on Verizon as they yell at each other if someone is streaming something. "What about the data plan!!!"

Here in St. Louis and the speeds are fine. You get that page to load a half second faster. Bravo! You win!
 
I love that people continue to bash Sprint and continue to leave. Been with them for 15 years, my plan is ridiculously low ($190 for 4 lines/unlimited data all) and still get a subsidy. I burn through 14-16 GBs a month without blinking an eye.

Laugh at all my other family members on Verizon as they yell at each other if someone is streaming something. "What about the data plan!!!"

Here in St. Louis and the speeds are fine. You get that page to load a half second faster. Bravo! You win!

Sprint and tmobile will eventually push att and verizon back to unlimited data once their networks become more established (they already are in a lot of areas).
 
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I love that people continue to bash Sprint and continue to leave. Been with them for 15 years, my plan is ridiculously low ($190 for 4 lines/unlimited data all) and still get a subsidy. I burn through 14-16 GBs a month without blinking an eye.

Laugh at all my other family members on Verizon as they yell at each other if someone is streaming something. "What about the data plan!!!"

Here in St. Louis and the speeds are fine. You get that page to load a half second faster. Bravo! You win!

I was with Sprint for nearly a decade. Poor customer service, shady practices by store workers and spotty (I was going to use another word) coverage drove me crazy. That last point is in NYC, not the boondocks. T-Mobile is much better, offering more for less; but once again, poor coverage when I need to be in Virginia and parts of NYC. What good is a plan if you can't get half-ass decent service. Looks like I'll finally go to Verizon using a family plan that includes employer discount.
 
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how does this play out if I have 2 iPhone 6's on my plan on ATT? I can't do ATT anymore. They just keep shuffling their plans and pricing. My brother and I use about 15GB total monthly.
 
But I thought all the wizards of smart kept telling us iPhone sales were going to crash when U.S. carriers got rid of "subsidies". The fact is they weren't ever "subsidies", you were just paying off the phone overtime which doesn't appear to be changing. Is there really that much difference between so-called "subsidies" and an installment plan?

The difference is a lot of dumb people who believed the carrier was giving them the phones a lot cheaper in return for sticking with them for 2 years will now experience sticker price shock. I expect more people to hold on to their expensive iPhones an extra year or two.
 
how does this play out if I have 2 iPhone 6's on my plan on ATT? I can't do ATT anymore. They just keep shuffling their plans and pricing. My brother and I use about 15GB total monthly.


if you want new phones all the time then switch. i'm keeping my Note 3 on ATT for years to come. buying 2 new ipads this year, maybe an ipad mini next year and i still have an ipad 4 i plan to use for another 3-5 years.

from now on i'm doing cheap phone and a better tablet and keeping my phones for years. and then buying a 2 year old phone to replace my note 3. probabaly an iphone 6s plus in a few years

sprint and t-mobile will lease you a phone but you have to give it back every 18-20 months so you will always be paying
 
I was with Sprint for nearly a decade. Poor customer service, shady practices by store workers and spotty (I was going to use another word) coverage drove me crazy. That last point is in NYC, not the boondocks. T-Mobile is much better, offering more for less; but once again, poor coverage when I need to be in Virginia and parts of NYC. What good is a plan if you can't get half-ass decent service. Looks like I'll finally go to Verizon using a family plan that includes employer discount.


been a few years, but i've walked down 23rd street in midtown with a sprint phone and no bars
 
how does this play out if I have 2 iPhone 6's on my plan on ATT? I can't do ATT anymore. They just keep shuffling their plans and pricing. My brother and I use about 15GB total monthly.


You do realize you can and should have stayed grandfathered into a plan and pricing? I've been on their Promo Mobile Share Value 30GB for the price of 15GB under the old price structure for like a year now and no intention of switching plans or carriers upgrade or no upgrade
 
I was with Sprint for nearly a decade. Poor customer service, shady practices by store workers and spotty (I was going to use another word) coverage drove me crazy. That last point is in NYC, not the boondocks. T-Mobile is much better, offering more for less; but once again, poor coverage when I need to be in Virginia and parts of NYC. What good is a plan if you can't get half-ass decent service. Looks like I'll finally go to Verizon using a family plan that includes employer discount.


Sprint has Shady practices at EVERY Turn and every level not just in stores!


They couldn't pay to me go back ever again even if they Waved my so called debts, offered 2 years free service, a free iPhone , all the service credits they owed me plus a Visa Gift Card


And yea the Customer Service is awful

Also I laugh at the 1 firm my business works with for getting suckered into a 2 year deal w/Sprint just cause they offered better deal to give ALL Employees iPhone 4S's for work over AT&T who would've done iPhone 5 or 5S's
 
I was with Sprint for nearly a decade. Poor customer service, shady practices by store workers and spotty (I was going to use another word) coverage drove me crazy. That last point is in NYC, not the boondocks. T-Mobile is much better, offering more for less; but once again, poor coverage when I need to be in Virginia and parts of NYC. What good is a plan if you can't get half-ass decent service. Looks like I'll finally go to Verizon using a family plan that includes employer discount.


What good does it do to always have the latest iPhone with the crappiest service.


Too true lol
Don't care what anyone says or thinks I've seen, had and heard about enough experiences to say

Sprint sucks
And neither

Sprint
T-Mobile
Verizon

Or any of the smaller carriers have sufficient networks, infrastructure and features for iPhone to be useful to its absolute fullest potential.

I've seen it said before on this and other sites and I'll agree and reiterate it:

AT&T for the most part is the best
May have its problem areas but like all carriers they improve over time they still have the fewest problems and problem areas by far compared to other carriers



AT&T is the most expensive for a reason

AT&T was the 1st and ONLY iPhone carrier once upon a time for a reason


Simply put iPhones work best on AT&T and with them getting into WiFi calling and other features that will only continue to improve.


I'll steal a page from Apple's marketing this year.

If it's not an iPhone it's not an iPhone true

But if it's an iPhone on an inadequate network it may as well not be an iPhone


A great phone does NOT A ****** network fix
 
I wish we have this here. My 6 Gb data is $110 per month.

Ouch - $114 after discount for 40gb. Still not enough some months.

I take it if you are in the land of Santa Claus (Rovaniemi), you hail from Finland?
 
sprint is removing the contracts by Jan 2016, this is another option and they do have installment plans.

Lease is not a good option. either go with installment plan or pay full or even contract.
 
Apparently NO Not if you read and take the wording at face value


"the catch being that the new phone purchased has to be a 16GB iPhone 6, and the monthly rate will increase back to the normal amount after their next upgrade."

I would be willing to pay more if I had the opportunity to upgrade to the new "plus" each year.
 
You do realize you can and should have stayed grandfathered into a plan and pricing? I've been on their Promo Mobile Share Value 30GB for the price of 15GB under the old price structure for like a year now and no intention of switching plans or carriers upgrade or no upgrade

I should have been more descriptive. I am currently on grandfathered "unlimited" plan with 2 iphones. I get throttled starting at 5GB which is easy to achieve. I'm paying $187 for 2 iphones on this plan.
 
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