cosmicrover said:
Yes, me too, SPSS GradPack 11.0.2....(I never had issues with 11.0.2 in Panther, and I wasn't aware of the upgrade, so I've never gone farther...apparently 11.0.3 is not particularly helpful for this issue.)
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SPSS on Tiger
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Yes, me too, SPSS GradPack 11.0.2....(I never had issues with 11.0.2 in Panther, and I wasn't aware of the upgrade, so I've never gone farther...apparently 11.0.3 is not particularly helpful for this issue.)
levil said:
Unfortunately I don't believe this is the case. I just spoke to my institution's SPSS account rep a couple of weeks ago as I was planning our summer software updates, to inquire about the new version. The response was, "The next release for MAC has been moved to 2006."
Greg Orman
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Scripps College
fxds said:
Ugh. They are a strange company. My advisor keeps commenting on how development of AMOS just died after SPSS got their hands on it. And to be honest, I haven't been able to really see more than one or two minor differences, at least in the common packages, between SPSS 11, 12, and 13.
But FWIW, I got this in response to a request to tech support...I'm hoping this "certified release" will be a dot upgrade before 2006....
In the mean time, though, I'm learning how to do more and more sophisticated things in <R>!
Certified release.... When considering spss just got certified for Panther (was I the only one who had issues with it on Panther?) we can expect to see a Tiger certified SPSS a month ot two before the release of OSX 10.5...
I don't mean to sound like a free software propagandist, but...
"Free software sucks because it comes with no support." If I look at all the free software out there lets say for SEM. Mx (if I remember correctly) has a mac version while all the others do not. (Was it EQS that recently discontinued their mac version)
Even the normal packages (small company- quick, cutting edge development) like Mplus don't even work on a Mac. Mplus's is a command line based piece of software. The graphical interface is something any programmer could slap together in a few hours. I do wonder if it would take much development to get it to run on Unix based systems. It might even compile without modifications, if not mods should be trivial. But Mplus does not do it. Considering that it does all sorts of cool but computation heavy stuff liek bootstaps and monte carlos, I do wonder if it would not be worth their effort.
By the way. I am REALLY impressed with Mplus. All you SEMers out there should try it out. The only problem with it is that it needs Microsofrt.
I am sorry to say, the developments on this board in relations to my statistics needs not being met, my frustrations with apple on holding back development on their laptop line (no substantive updates for years, none of the rumored dual core, and no G5), and the fact that the ipods do not play oggs or flacs are pushing me towards buying an AMD 64 laptop and switching back to dual boot Linux/Windows. Windows for stats (I'll just have to make sure I delete my network drivers the only way to stay safe and Linux for day to day use... Sorry guys. I hate to do it, but I am out of here.
(I wish I could say it is not at all apple's fault but they are also a part of it)
L
I don't mean to sound like a free software propagandist, but...
"Free software sucks because it comes with no support." If I look at all the free software out there lets say for SEM. Mx (if I remember correctly) has a mac version while all the others do not. (Was it EQS that recently discontinued their mac version)
Even the normal packages (small company- quick, cutting edge development) like Mplus don't even work on a Mac. Mplus's is a command line based piece of software. The graphical interface is something any programmer could slap together in a few hours. I do wonder if it would take much development to get it to run on Unix based systems. It might even compile without modifications, if not mods should be trivial. But Mplus does not do it. Considering that it does all sorts of cool but computation heavy stuff liek bootstaps and monte carlos, I do wonder if it would not be worth their effort.
By the way. I am REALLY impressed with Mplus. All you SEMers out there should try it out. The only problem with it is that it needs Microsofrt.
I am sorry to say, the developments on this board in relations to my statistics needs not being met, my frustrations with apple on holding back development on their laptop line (no substantive updates for years, none of the rumored dual core, and no G5), and the fact that the ipods do not play oggs or flacs are pushing me towards buying an AMD 64 laptop and switching back to dual boot Linux/Windows. Windows for stats (I'll just have to make sure I delete my network drivers
the only way to stay safe and Linux for day to day use... Sorry guys. I hate to do it, but I am out of here. (I wish I could say it is not at all apple's fault but they are also a part of it)
L
levil said:
Thanks for the info! BTW, some observations. I am an insomniac tonight!
1) LISREL has a Mac version. It's another funny case of what you mentioned...they went to a lot of trouble to put together a crap "GUI" -- no point and click, basically an overglorified text editor and windows that pop up with text-only output. Which would all have been eminently more usable in BASH. BUT, the computation of LISREL itself works fine. And if you want to do things like model ordinal/dichotomous data, you are pretty much down to MPlus, EQS and LISREL....
I want to try MPlus though. The only problem is that Jöreskog and Muthén take mutually exclusive viewpoints on the correct ways to do the kinds of specialty analysis I want to do, and it's hard to convince myself that I can make compelling arguments for both of them selectively.
2) <R> does basic SEM -- it does not do asymptotic covariances, polychoric correlations, or weighted least squares, sadly. I'm not sure if it does multi-group in an easy way. But, support is fantastic for what it does do -- it very much embraces the open source model, since almost all the packages are being developed and maintained by statistical / applied statistical experts in the relative fields. Although it cannot match specialty packages like MPlus in any given field, I think in terms of breadth, it gives every commercial product a serious run for the money. (It does have bootstrapping, and I believe Monte Carlo, etc...it's specifically weak in SEM/CFA methods that do not use MLE on a covariance matrix).
I'm totally with you in not understanding why these kinds of packages are not developed in a multi-OS kind of environment. Considering how little attention SAS, SPSS and the rest pay to UI issues
, they should be able to achieve much faster turnaround for Windows and non-Windows users, while expanding their user base, if they use a development environment that can build binaries for more than one platform at a time....Insomniac. I still have SEM homework ) (Actually it is done, just have to slap it together in a presentable format, type up responses to the specific questions...) We had to run a full structural model. Oh my god
I would like to hear a little more about this. What is it that you cannot force Mplus to do that Jöreskog's software (which one?) will do for you? (but we probably do not want to bore the crowd with this so just e-mail me: levi at bigred dot unl dot edu )
I learned multilevel modeling (HLM) first and went to SEM from there. Both methods have its advantages. HLM is really inflexible. I am thumbing through the mplus manula as we speak to learn how to run multilevel in mplus. this way I can incorporate measurement models (factors) in my analysis. Pretty fun stuff.
) (Actually it is done, just have to slap it together in a presentable format, type up responses to the specific questions...) We had to run a full structural model. Oh my god mkrishnan said:I want to try MPlus though. The only problem is that Jöreskog and Muthén take mutually exclusive viewpoints on the correct ways to do the kinds of specialty analysis I want to do, and it's hard to convince myself that I can make compelling arguments for both of them selectively.
I would like to hear a little more about this. What is it that you cannot force Mplus to do that Jöreskog's software (which one?) will do for you? (but we probably do not want to bore the crowd with this so just e-mail me: levi at bigred dot unl dot edu )
I learned multilevel modeling (HLM) first and went to SEM from there. Both methods have its advantages. HLM is really inflexible. I am thumbing through the mplus manula as we speak to learn how to run multilevel in mplus. this way I can incorporate measurement models (factors) in my analysis. Pretty fun stuff.
Will do (e-mail). And now on top of insomnia is really loud lightning keeping me up!
HLM is something i need to learn more about....and mixed effects. All the developmental psychology people *love* their mixed effects models.
And now on top of insomnia is really loud lightning keeping me up! HLM is something i need to learn more about....and mixed effects. All the developmental psychology people *love* their mixed effects models.
SPSS and Tiger (& Virtual PC)
I can confirm that a bouncing dock item is all you get when trying to activate SPSS 11.03 under Tiger. However, as Ocelot or Tabby (or whatever the next version of OS X will be called) is likely to be out before SPSS posts a Tiger patch on their unhelpful website, I have a work around. I use SPSS for Windows v11 on Virtual PC (emulating Windows XP). It works as well as SPSS works on an actual PC (read that how you will) and also means that PC users can actually see your charts in output files (I always had blank spaces where charts should have been when reading my SPPS for Mac output files on a PC).
Of course you'll struggle to run the RAM hungry SPSS AND Virtual PC on an old G3 eMac but then you're probably not reading this thread if you have one of those! I'm running it all on a 1.25GHz G4 Powerbook with 512MB RAM (with about 300MB RAM allocated to the emulator).
If your school/college has free/cheap site licence copies of MS Office it may include Virtual PC, mine did.
Happy number crunching
Nic
I can confirm that a bouncing dock item is all you get when trying to activate SPSS 11.03 under Tiger. However, as Ocelot or Tabby (or whatever the next version of OS X will be called) is likely to be out before SPSS posts a Tiger patch on their unhelpful website, I have a work around. I use SPSS for Windows v11 on Virtual PC (emulating Windows XP). It works as well as SPSS works on an actual PC (read that how you will) and also means that PC users can actually see your charts in output files (I always had blank spaces where charts should have been when reading my SPPS for Mac output files on a PC).
Of course you'll struggle to run the RAM hungry SPSS AND Virtual PC on an old G3 eMac but then you're probably not reading this thread if you have one of those! I'm running it all on a 1.25GHz G4 Powerbook with 512MB RAM (with about 300MB RAM allocated to the emulator).
If your school/college has free/cheap site licence copies of MS Office it may include Virtual PC, mine did.
Happy number crunching
Nic
Just received this email, which sounds like SPSS is serious about getting a fix out soon... (or perhaps I am just optimistic...)
"On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. Our testing has discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this problem and a patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4. A proactive notification will be sent to you when the patch is available for downloading."
"On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. Our testing has discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this problem and a patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4. A proactive notification will be sent to you when the patch is available for downloading."
Scottyk9 said:
Hmmm...sounds better yet. I wonder why I am not on the pro-active list.
EDIT: I just sent them a nice e-mail with my S/N asking to be put on the list...we'll see if it works.
I didn't even know about 11.0.3! 
My news about SPSS (Munich) German Support
On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. Our testing has discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this problem and a patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4. A proactive notification will be sent to you when the patch is available for downloading.
SPSS apologizes for any inconvenience this has caused. If you have any questions or problems, please contact your local SPSS support team. We are continually striving to improve our communication to our clients. However, if you do not wish to receive further proactive e-mails from SPSS Support, please reply to this message with REMOVE on the subject line.
Thank you for your patience,
SPSS Technical Support
On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. Our testing has discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this problem and a patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4. A proactive notification will be sent to you when the patch is available for downloading.
SPSS apologizes for any inconvenience this has caused. If you have any questions or problems, please contact your local SPSS support team. We are continually striving to improve our communication to our clients. However, if you do not wish to receive further proactive e-mails from SPSS Support, please reply to this message with REMOVE on the subject line.
Thank you for your patience,
SPSS Technical Support
Nicely, the SPSS people created an account for me in their online system in response to my e-mail. Well, I guess that would've been easy enough to begin with. Of course, the online updates don't work on Grad Pack. But their diction seems to be moving more and more in the direction of a soon-to-be-released patch. The text keeps changing slightly.
Notice how the text on the website today is subtly different from what we got before:
Definitely the right trend direction.... Although...not tested. Hmmm...because Tiger was a totally unforeseen and capricious move on Apple's part. Free and as soon as possible are good by me, though.
Notice how the text on the website today is subtly different from what we got before:
SPSS Website said:
Definitely the right trend direction.... Although...not tested. Hmmm...because Tiger was a totally unforeseen and capricious move on Apple's part.
Free and as soon as possible are good by me, though. just bounces here, too
I've had the same experience with SPSS--it just bounces a couple times, then nothing. Even when I was running 10.3.9 on my dual 2.0 ghz G5, I could run just a few lines of syntax at a time without SPSS crashing. I need to run longer syntax documents on my G4 PowerBook, then transfer the results to my G5. Anyone else have this problem?
I've had the same experience with SPSS--it just bounces a couple times, then nothing. Even when I was running 10.3.9 on my dual 2.0 ghz G5, I could run just a few lines of syntax at a time without SPSS crashing. I need to run longer syntax documents on my G4 PowerBook, then transfer the results to my G5. Anyone else have this problem?
charlesoutcalt said:
Everything worked fine for me in SPSS on 10.3.9 -- are you on 11.0.2 or 11.0.3? I had 11.0.2, but some people said that only 11.0.3 worked for them in panther....
SPSS and Mac OS versions
Hey--thanks for your quick reply. I'm running SPSS 11.0.3 (I think this is the latest patch). When I was running the previous version, I couldn't run more than one syntax line at a time on my G5. The patch helped a little, but not much. The worst part is that SPSS just disappears, with all the windows--syntax, output and data--vanishing. That leaves me not knowing exactly where the crash happened, so I need to start again from the very beginning. Very frustrating! I'd like to consider another stats package, but I don't know what's available for the Mac.
Hey--thanks for your quick reply. I'm running SPSS 11.0.3 (I think this is the latest patch). When I was running the previous version, I couldn't run more than one syntax line at a time on my G5. The patch helped a little, but not much. The worst part is that SPSS just disappears, with all the windows--syntax, output and data--vanishing. That leaves me not knowing exactly where the crash happened, so I need to start again from the very beginning. Very frustrating! I'd like to consider another stats package, but I don't know what's available for the Mac.
Available for Max
R which is freely available at r-project.org. Not the most user friendly thing on earth but if you can get used to it. If you want some pointers, just e-mail me.
Stata also has a mac version. It is pretty pricy but so is SPSS.
I wish I could fins someone who used Stata for mac before. I only played with the Windows version.
Both packages are faily modular. If you want to do something that is not included by default chances are someone wrote a module for it. (But no guarantees it is the best thing to deal with your problem) For example John Fox wrote a structural equations modeling package for R. It works for basic stuff, but not nearly as powerful as LISREL, EQS, MX or Mplus.
But I know of at least one package that is only implemented for R (and S-Plus). It is Schafer's panel controlled multiple imputation package.
L
R which is freely available at r-project.org. Not the most user friendly thing on earth but if you can get used to it. If you want some pointers, just e-mail me.
Stata also has a mac version. It is pretty pricy but so is SPSS.
I wish I could fins someone who used Stata for mac before. I only played with the Windows version.
Both packages are faily modular. If you want to do something that is not included by default chances are someone wrote a module for it. (But no guarantees it is the best thing to deal with your problem) For example John Fox wrote a structural equations modeling package for R. It works for basic stuff, but not nearly as powerful as LISREL, EQS, MX or Mplus.
But I know of at least one package that is only implemented for R (and S-Plus). It is Schafer's panel controlled multiple imputation package.
L
Any feedback on Stata?
Hmm--has anyone out there used Stata for the Mac much? What's your opinion? I'm very familiar with SPSS, because that's what we were trained on in grad school, but I'd really welcome feedback on other packages. Thanks.
Hmm--has anyone out there used Stata for the Mac much? What's your opinion? I'm very familiar with SPSS, because that's what we were trained on in grad school, but I'd really welcome feedback on other packages. Thanks.
SPSS, Matlab and Stata 8 & 9 On Tiger
Howdy Everyone,
I work in our university's Research and Statistical Support group (under Academic Computing Services) and I am a graduate student in a quantitative political science program. I suppose you can say that I'm not just the owner, but I'm a customer as well (please don't sue me, Hair Club For Men!)!
To add one more voice to the choir, SPSS 11.0.3 does not work on Tiger. According to SPSS, they have no plans to release another point version of SPSS 11 for OS-X and are going to freeze Tiger support until they roll out SPSS 13 for OS-X in Fall 2005. So if you use SPSS 11.0.3 on OS-X, don't upgrade to Tiger unless you can move your work to a different statistical package!
I learned my stats work on Stata and use it for most of my research (with the occasional exception of R and EViews for some of the more high-end work). I've successfully run both Stata 8 SE and Stata 9 SE on my Tiger installation. I'm biased in my background, so as you might guess I am a big Stata fan. It's got a good balance of GUI accessibility and command line flexibility.
Finally, I'm also running Matlab 7.0.3 (Release 14) on my Tiger installation. It works great though you need to be aware that Matlab requires X11 to run under OS-X. You can install X11 as an custom option when you either perform a clean install of Tiger or upgrade to Tiger. The upgrade will not cover this by default, however.
Howdy Everyone,
I work in our university's Research and Statistical Support group (under Academic Computing Services) and I am a graduate student in a quantitative political science program. I suppose you can say that I'm not just the owner, but I'm a customer as well (please don't sue me, Hair Club For Men!)!
To add one more voice to the choir, SPSS 11.0.3 does not work on Tiger. According to SPSS, they have no plans to release another point version of SPSS 11 for OS-X and are going to freeze Tiger support until they roll out SPSS 13 for OS-X in Fall 2005. So if you use SPSS 11.0.3 on OS-X, don't upgrade to Tiger unless you can move your work to a different statistical package!
I learned my stats work on Stata and use it for most of my research (with the occasional exception of R and EViews for some of the more high-end work). I've successfully run both Stata 8 SE and Stata 9 SE on my Tiger installation. I'm biased in my background, so as you might guess I am a big Stata fan. It's got a good balance of GUI accessibility and command line flexibility.
Finally, I'm also running Matlab 7.0.3 (Release 14) on my Tiger installation. It works great though you need to be aware that Matlab requires X11 to run under OS-X. You can install X11 as an custom option when you either perform a clean install of Tiger or upgrade to Tiger. The upgrade will not cover this by default, however.
SPSS Freezing Support for Tiger
I'm afraid this is not entirely true
This is a quote from The SPSS Mac Patches Page:
11.0.3 For Macintosh OS X -- Updated May 2005
PLEASE NOTE: On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X was not tested on this platform before its release. It has been discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this. A free patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4.
Please visit
http://support.spss.com/tech/default.asp
Login using 'guest' and 'guest'
Cheers
Spike
I'm afraid this is not entirely true
This is a quote from The SPSS Mac Patches Page:
11.0.3 For Macintosh OS X -- Updated May 2005
PLEASE NOTE: On Friday, April 29th, Apple released Macintosh OS X 10.4, otherwise known as Tiger. SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X was not tested on this platform before its release. It has been discovered that SPSS 11.0.3 for Macintosh OS X will not run on the 10.4 version of the OS X operating system. We are working on resolving this. A free patch will be made available as soon as possible to allow SPSS 11.0.3 to function on Macintosh OS X 10.4.
Please visit
http://support.spss.com/tech/default.asp
Login using 'guest' and 'guest'
Cheers
Spike
Mister Naxal said:
The way I handled this SPSS problem was installing it thru Virtual PC on Windows 200). I was running W2K on VPC already for MLWin and AMOS, so I installed SPSS 12 after I discovered the Tiger problems. I'm running a G5 2Ghz with 1GB DDR and SPSS runs smoothly.
Help
Can someone give me a license for SPSS 11.0 Mac :s
i need it for a university proyect. and i'll only use it for a couple of days.....then NEVER again......so it's not worth buying it....
can someone help me?
Can someone give me a license for SPSS 11.0 Mac :s
i need it for a university proyect. and i'll only use it for a couple of days.....then NEVER again......so it's not worth buying it....
can someone help me?
*politely ignores Joey's post*
Did anyone else get this happy update in their inbox today? A month from now isn't as good as a month ago, but it's a lot better than never!
I think that when this patch comes out, the SPSS tech support people need some healthy positive reinforcement for doing something for the Mac community.
Did anyone else get this happy update in their inbox today? A month from now isn't as good as a month ago, but it's a lot better than never!
I think that when this patch comes out, the SPSS tech support people need some healthy positive reinforcement for doing something for the Mac community.
Let's hear it for SPSS!
I couldn't agree more--when this patch is released, we need to let SPSS know that there's an active, interested group of Mac users who really do appreciate their updating SPSS. Of course, they should have done this BEFORE Tiger was released, but better July than never.
I couldn't agree more--when this patch is released, we need to let SPSS know that there's an active, interested group of Mac users who really do appreciate their updating SPSS. Of course, they should have done this BEFORE Tiger was released, but better July than never.
It's the last week of July. . .
Isn't this the week the patch should be released?
Never thought I would be so eager to see a statistics software patch (makes me sound like a real geek)!
Isn't this the week the patch should be released?
Never thought I would be so eager to see a statistics software patch (makes me sound like a real geek)!