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SquareTrade tests build quality of iPhone 4S and Galaxy SII
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Some of you guys are cracking me up.
Build "quality" is a measurement or characteristic of an object to fulfill its intended purpose without a defect or weakness in its design, materials, or construction affecting its function.
For example, Japanese sedans lasting longer than American sedans because the materials used and the way they are designed and built have more longevity.
So, is the build quality of the Galaxy S/S II *better* than the build quality of the iphone 4/4S? Of course it is. The iPhone 4 had 3 main defects. Poor antenna, glass that shatters easily, proximity sensor. The iPhone 4S has fixed two of those issues.
The Galaxy S had two main defects, poor GPS and very average battery life. Both of those problems have been fixed in the Galaxy S II.
Those of you saying that its 'just a test of glass vs plastic' are conveniently forgetting that one entire side of the Galaxy S II is made out of glass and that its glass *did not break*.
There is no reason for Apple to cheap out and use regular glass on their phone. iphones have a long history of cracked/shattered screens. If they had used gorilla glass then this wouldn't be an issue.
Fail on Apple's part.
Build "quality" is a measurement or characteristic of an object to fulfill its intended purpose without a defect or weakness in its design, materials, or construction affecting its function.
For example, Japanese sedans lasting longer than American sedans because the materials used and the way they are designed and built have more longevity.
So, is the build quality of the Galaxy S/S II *better* than the build quality of the iphone 4/4S? Of course it is. The iPhone 4 had 3 main defects. Poor antenna, glass that shatters easily, proximity sensor. The iPhone 4S has fixed two of those issues.
The Galaxy S had two main defects, poor GPS and very average battery life. Both of those problems have been fixed in the Galaxy S II.
Those of you saying that its 'just a test of glass vs plastic' are conveniently forgetting that one entire side of the Galaxy S II is made out of glass and that its glass *did not break*.
There is no reason for Apple to cheap out and use regular glass on their phone. iphones have a long history of cracked/shattered screens. If they had used gorilla glass then this wouldn't be an issue.
Fail on Apple's part.
Yeah, and a Dell Inspiron build quality surpasses that of a MacBook Pro. Ever held an Inspiron in your hands? It's all plastic, it bends. Plastic is the mark of qaulity. That's why people pay 8k for an all plastic road bike or mountain bike because it's made of plastic. 
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What about the Toyota Camry made in Tennesse or a Dodge Magnum made in Canada? Does that theory still hold true?
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What about the Toyota Camry made in Tennesse or a Dodge Magnum made in Canada? Does that theory still hold true?
Leave the OP alone. He obviously has no real experience in a manufacturing/design/engineering field.
On a serious note though, who actually drops their phones like that? I'm not going to say I don't drop mine, or that the phone won't be damaged from an accidental drop, but I've owned iPhones and iPod touches for 5 years now and never once had a screen break.
On a serious note though, who actually drops their phones like that? I'm not going to say I don't drop mine, or that the phone won't be damaged from an accidental drop, but I've owned iPhones and iPod touches for 5 years now and never once had a screen break.
Yeah, and a Dell Inspiron build quality surpasses that of a MacBook Pro. Ever held an Inspiron in your hands? It's all plastic, it bends. Plastic is the mark of qaulity. That's why people pay 8k for an all plastic road bike or mountain bike because it's made of plastic.
You are so wrong. People prefer glass laptops and glass mountain bikes.
Did you think about the fact that iPhone 4 is probably the only (and most likely the last) mobile device with a glass case?
Yeah, and a Dell Inspiron build quality surpasses that of a MacBook Pro. Ever held an Inspiron in your hands? It's all plastic, it bends. Plastic is the mark of qaulity. That's why people pay 8k for an all plastic road bike or mountain bike because it's made of plastic.
Actually, carbon fiber bike frames go for thousands of dollars because of their low weight and high strength. This goes for both mountain bikes and road bikes.
I don't think that anyone would argue that an Inspiron is more durable or will last longer than a Macbook. That's not a function of the materials used, it is a function of the build quality. Try comparing a Lenovo to a MacBook. Lenovo blows Apple out of the water in terms of build quality. My T61 sitting on my nightstand is a testament to that fact.
Its the same situation with the phones. Glass on GS2 = no break. Glass on 4S = shattered. APPLE SHOULD HAVE USED GORILLA GLASS. They used weaker, cheaper and demonstrably inferior regular glass and now the world knows it.
Its like comparing a coffee table made out of tempered glass to a coffee table made out of non-tempered glass. Both cost the same. Which one are you going to put a 40" flatscreen TV on?
It is truly amazing how the sheep never cease to shock in how they defend such a poor choice in design and materials used by anything Apple. This is exactly what the iPhone is. Bad choice in materials with a poorly thought out design for shock resistance. It's a MOBILE DEVICE that can be and will be dropped. And when you mix mobile device with cheap fully exposed glass....well you saw the video.
And for those of you that want to make excuses with the plastic vs glass argument. What is the SGSII screen made of? That's right GLASS, so when it was screen vs screen. It was cheap glass (iPhone) vs Gorilla Glass (SGSII). No contest. The SGSII is just better thought out as a mobile device. It's got sleek looks, yet the designers we're smart enough not to put design over function. Small details like having the edge of the phone lip ever so slightly past the screen makes a world of difference. A mobile device will be dropped. This is why dropped tests are done. It's clear that Apple doesn't care about such things as phones being dropped by accident.
BTW, so many of you talk about the iPhone being such a good looking device. Really? How do you see that good looking device when you have it all covered in case.
One more thing, if Samsung phones are copies of Apple phones, shouldn't the SGSII had the same fate? Hmmmmm....
And for those of you that want to make excuses with the plastic vs glass argument. What is the SGSII screen made of? That's right GLASS, so when it was screen vs screen. It was cheap glass (iPhone) vs Gorilla Glass (SGSII). No contest. The SGSII is just better thought out as a mobile device. It's got sleek looks, yet the designers we're smart enough not to put design over function. Small details like having the edge of the phone lip ever so slightly past the screen makes a world of difference. A mobile device will be dropped. This is why dropped tests are done. It's clear that Apple doesn't care about such things as phones being dropped by accident.
BTW, so many of you talk about the iPhone being such a good looking device. Really? How do you see that good looking device when you have it all covered in case.
One more thing, if Samsung phones are copies of Apple phones, shouldn't the SGSII had the same fate? Hmmmmm....
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I think the the SGSII looks hideous, that's an opinion though and has nothing to do with the argument of which is more durable. And really, these drop test are pointless, at least to me. I don't drop my phone like that. Never have, and most likely never will. I don't even use a case.
Funny how so many people use this argument as well. But wouldn't you prefer to know that if you or someone else ever accidentally dropped your phone, that it wouldn't shatter so easily?
"The same way people who say, I've never been in an car accident, and I will most likely never will. That's why I never wear seat belts." Seriously now, stop with ridiculous arguments.
It's ok to admit the iPhone is CLEARLY inferior in this respect. And it is CLEAR that the iPhone uses INFERIOR glass for the screen. There's just no arguing this. I seriously don't get how many of you just can't get yourselves to admit this.
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I won't deny that the iPhone uses an inferior glass. I just would NEVER buy a phone just because there is a chance it wouldn't be damaged by a fall that will most likely never happen. There's a lot more to a phone than it's ability to survive none realistic falls.
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Funny how so many people use this argument as well. But wouldn't you prefer to know that if you or someone else ever accidentally dropped your phone, that it wouldn't shatter so easily?
"The same way people who say, I've never been in an car accident, and I will most likely never will. That's why I never wear seat belts." Seriously now, stop with ridiculous arguments.
It's ok to admit the iPhone is CLEARLY inferior in this respect. And it is CLEAR that the iPhone uses INFERIOR glass for the screen. There's just no arguing this. I seriously don't get how many of you just can't get yourselves to admit this.
I won't deny that the iPhone uses an inferior glass. I just would NEVER buy a phone just because there is a chance it wouldn't be damaged by a fall that will most likely never happen. There's a lot more to a phone than it's ability to survive none realistic falls.
Somehow I suspect that you were keeping your fingers crossed while writing that. I hope you did.
You guys crack me up here. Seriously, the iSheep are rampant (and some Andrones). Now you guys are all defending Apple's choice in materials....using luxury cars as examples. Okay.....but that still doesn't explain Gorilla Glass missing from the iPhone. If the iPhone survived then you'd be bashing GSII.
I'm sorry, but saying "I don't drop that stuff anyways" is a scarecrow tactic. Phones eventually drop at some point....we live on a planet of gravity. There's one thing to say, well it more for aesthetics than durablity. But most aren't saying that here. You keep defending something that was CLEARLY outclassed by the Galaxy SII in some ways. Just accept it.
Drop tests are pointless? I'm sorry, but Applecare+ and Squaretrade WOULDN'T EXIST for the iPhone if that didn't happen. Stop trying to use what applies to you to the entire universe.
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It's because the fanboys have a skewed perception of reality. Once the iPhone gets over a 3.5'' display so many people will be excited. Samsung makes great phones. Apple makes great phones. They all choose their design choices for a reason.
I'm sorry, but saying "I don't drop that stuff anyways" is a scarecrow tactic. Phones eventually drop at some point....we live on a planet of gravity. There's one thing to say, well it more for aesthetics than durablity. But most aren't saying that here. You keep defending something that was CLEARLY outclassed by the Galaxy SII in some ways. Just accept it.
Drop tests are pointless? I'm sorry, but Applecare+ and Squaretrade WOULDN'T EXIST for the iPhone if that didn't happen. Stop trying to use what applies to you to the entire universe.
My rant is done
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Funny how so many people use this argument as well. But wouldn't you prefer to know that if you or someone else ever accidentally dropped your phone, that it wouldn't shatter so easily?
"The same way people who say, I've never been in an car accident, and I will most likely never will. That's why I never wear seat belts." Seriously now, stop with ridiculous arguments.
It's ok to admit the iPhone is CLEARLY inferior in this respect. And it is CLEAR that the iPhone uses INFERIOR glass for the screen. There's just no arguing this. I seriously don't get how many of you just can't get yourselves to admit this.
It's because the fanboys have a skewed perception of reality. Once the iPhone gets over a 3.5'' display so many people will be excited. Samsung makes great phones. Apple makes great phones. They all choose their design choices for a reason.
What's the point?
iPhone is a beautifully made product out of glass and steel...
Of course glass is going to shatter
SII is just hard plastic, a copy of the iPhone
iPhone is a beautifully made product out of glass and steel...
Of course glass is going to shatter
SII is just hard plastic, a copy of the iPhone
Nope. I've owned iOS devices for 5 years now, and a number of other mobile phones that had screens vulnerable to breaking. Never once have I cracked a screen, and I at most drop my phone once a month.
Sorry I am not careless and clumsy like you seem to think.
I'm not saying it can't happen. Hence the most likely in my initial post.
Some of you are so silly.... trollers make a thread and some of you run right in and feed the troll..... Don't you know you're not supposed to feed the trolls?
I won't get into the debate on which is better and what the def of "build quality" is.... that would be feeding the trolls you see. I however will give my experience.
I've never cracked a screen on my 4, neither has my wife, my mom, my dad, my brother, his wife, or any of the 10 or so friends I know that have one. So for me and those I mentioned, the 4/4s design is the most durable phone that we have owned in the last year or so of our lives. So in our case iPhone 4/4s is > GSII
I don't understand why people are so careless with $800 anyway. IF you drop $800 electronic devices they will break. IF you're not responsible enough to not drop your $800 device, don't buy that device. IF you do drop it and it breaks, don't bitch about it..... instead learn to be more responsible.
I won't get into the debate on which is better and what the def of "build quality" is.... that would be feeding the trolls you see. I however will give my experience.
I've never cracked a screen on my 4, neither has my wife, my mom, my dad, my brother, his wife, or any of the 10 or so friends I know that have one. So for me and those I mentioned, the 4/4s design is the most durable phone that we have owned in the last year or so of our lives. So in our case iPhone 4/4s is > GSII
I don't understand why people are so careless with $800 anyway. IF you drop $800 electronic devices they will break. IF you're not responsible enough to not drop your $800 device, don't buy that device. IF you do drop it and it breaks, don't bitch about it..... instead learn to be more responsible.
I guess I didn't read into the video deep enough.
Squaretrade sells a product. They happen to sell a product for a very popular device. I guess my simple take on this was if you have an iPhone here is a reason to consider a warranty that covers if an accident should occur.
I happened to have purchased a square trade warranty in the event that an accident should occur and because I can admit not being as perfect as other owners of similar devices.
Squaretrade sells a product. They happen to sell a product for a very popular device. I guess my simple take on this was if you have an iPhone here is a reason to consider a warranty that covers if an accident should occur.
I happened to have purchased a square trade warranty in the event that an accident should occur and because I can admit not being as perfect as other owners of similar devices.
All Apple had to do was use Gorilla glass. Why they dont is beyond me. Its just another stupid profit based Apple decision at the expense of customers.
Is this thread a joke?
The iPhone is the best built phone there is. Don't confuse what the phone is made of, which is glass for build quality. The phone is build like a solid piece of granite. It is heavy, with no moving or flexing parts. Structural integrity and endurance is not what the Galaxy S2 is. Sorry to tell you. I own the phone. And the 4S.
For comparison, if you take a iMac, which is mostly glass and aluminum, against a cheaper rival all in one which has a cheaper plastic screen and plastic exterior and drop them both, which one do you think will break first?
First of all of coarse the iMac will break first. It is heavier, as is the iPhone 4s. More weight and glass is not a good mixture. But that has nothing to do with how well it is built.
The iPhone 4S is too well built. No flex in the chassis. None. I can literally flex the back of the Galaxy S2 if I flex if from corner to corner from the back. The battery cover is a joke. I can literally bend it in half with my fingers. It feels like a toy it is so light.
As far as the iMac comparison goes. Does that mean the cheaper all in one is better made? Of coarse not. I guess a plastic wine glass is better made than a glass one. Yeah makes sense. :roll eyes:
This thread needs to die.
This test has nothing to do with build quality. I can smash a Mercedes Benz into a brick wall and it's going to be destroyed. Does that make it badly built?
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Gorilla Glass is just Corning's version of this super strong glass. I believe Apple is using this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/80436.html
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Gorilla Glass is just Corning's version of this super strong glass. I believe Apple is using this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/80436.html
Actually the glass they use is very similar or it might be the same. No one knows for sure. No way regular glass is going to flex like that.
Problem is Apple needs to not make the back out of Glass. Aluminum is better, would reduce the weight.
http://www.tested.com/news/whats-so-special-about-iphone-4s-aluminosilicate-glass/429/
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Beat me too it. That article say it all. Actually I wish the 4S was lighter. That damn thing in a suit pocket is heavy. Too heavy. That is my guess on why it breaks easier than other phones.
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I agree. I never even had one scratch on my iPhone 4, on the screen or other wise. Why do Android users even post on the iPhone forum? Why? Why troll.
lol, really?
I'm pretty sure the first video favors the 4s. I didn't even bother watching the second after laughing at the first.
OP, you are fighting a losing battle here. Especially when you use terms incorrectly, and provide evidence that contradicts what you are saying.
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