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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)
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LOL, I understand that, but to me he doesn't feel evil, I don't see a monster, even though he says he it, I just see a person who has a few issues with his parents. I agree completely with him being a better character than Anakin was in the first three films.
The part about him not being concerned with good or evil is an interesting take on it and one that makes a lot of sense and in that respect makes him a little more dangerous.
^ I liked both Laura Dern's and Benicio del Toro's characters. I like how Laura went to light speed and there was no sound for like 10-15 seconds from the movie. Rambling Rose / Ellie Sattler and Freddy Four Fingers played their roles well. I want to know more about this DJ.
I really hope Solo doesn't start off as some Aladdin / street urchin. Nomore scenes in Tunisia and call it Tattooine and Jakku, ok? What's with Tunisia? Nobody wants to be there to film a movie with the sandstorms and heat. They filmed in Tunisia like five times already for the main series (I, II, IV, VI, VII).
I want Han to start off rich and bratty like the Lannister children. I want him to be like Jordan Belfort from The Wolf of Wall Street where he is a money hungry little **** that gambles, womanizes, and gets in trouble alot. I want to see Chewie's wife and kids too.
Those golden dices to set up for the next SW film. Ron Howard is probably going to add his ugly brother (Clint) again. Oh, happy days, Richie. Solo has potential because Han is like the atheist of the Force in the beginning. I don't want anymore religious, philosophical lectures about the Force. Tired, old retread. Light vs dark, blah blah blah.
Rogue One had potential to be the best SW story had it been a two-parter so we could emotionally invest more into the characters. I haven't really changed my opinion about The Last Jedi. Usually for every SW film I watch, I like it initially but it loses points the more I watch it similar to MCU films with forgettable stories and villains.
It's like when you buy a new phone and you start to dislike it after awhile. I liked Ep 1, 2, and 7 initially when I saw them in the theater multiple times until I started rewatching them more at home. I can't stand the last half of AOTC. Honeymoon phase wears off. Right now, it's a prisoner of the moment opinion from me.
My feelings for it hasn't changed after one viewing and I don't let another person's change it for me. I'm sorta in-between how Tyrone Magnus feels about it and his gf. I just think killing Snoke was the best moment of Star Wars 8 but the worst part for the rest of the trilogy. It's literally a DIVISIVE moment. The Mandarin in Iron Man 3 all over again.
My feelings for The Last Jedi is how I feel about Game Of Thrones' "Beyond The Wall" episode. Could have been better but I still like it enough. Definitely better than TFA and more action than Rogue One.
Leia looks like she died. Doesn't.
Rey looks like she is going to die. Doesn't.
Poe gets shot by Leia and looks like he is severely hurt. Isn't.
Finn looks like he is going to die. Doesn't.
Rose looks like she died after she kisses Finn. Isn't.
But when we don't think Snoke, Amilyn Holdo, and Luke die, they all do. Twist and turns.
My 5th favorite SW film -
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return Of The Jedi
Revenge Of The Sith
The Last Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones
There was something about it when Rey and Kylo had killed all the guards and Snoke. Kylo had an "o crap, we can rule everything now". So much more about power and control verses the typical good and evil or light and dark.
I forgot to mention...
RIP Admiral Ackbar
The voice actor for the character died anyway.
Ackbar
Snoke
Phasma
Holdo
Luke
Most were unexpected except for maybe Phasma. Most body count since Revenge Of The Sith...
Dooku
Grievous
Mace
Anakin (figuratively)
Jedi order expect two main ones
Trade Federation
Padmé
I understand NOT killing Leia in the movie. Her death was well beyond post production and just cutting her scenes would disregard her work on it. Although her coming back from her coma probably wouldn't affect the group. But why force Luke to be Force Ghost?
Here's the thing, I adore Oscar Isaac when he did Ex Machina and X-Men: Apocalypse. I couldn't even recognize him or Domhnall Gleeson (Hux) in EM. But I'm not invested in his Poe character or Boyega's Finn. I just felt they gave both a wild goose chase to keep them relevant to the story. They added a YouTuber actress who's basically a custodian like Finn to help him.
They're all glorified sidekick characters that are neither interesting but needing something to do that doesn't really affect the main plot. Every time I saw their scenes, I kept asking where is Rey, Kylo, Luke, and Snoke? They're more interesting and integral to the plot.
I enjoyed the twists and turns but some of the direction it is headed to is questionable at best.
The three most important NEW characters in this trilogy -
Rey - Still a Mary Sue. Still don't know where she really came from other than words uttered by Kylo. No real formal Jedi training and she was able to overpower Kylo and Luke. The fight scene when her and Kylo teamed up was cool but Hayden & Obi-Wan's in the prequels are superior especially in ROTS. Hayden might be a bad actor but his athleticism and skills twirling a lightsaber behind his back is top notch.
This is how its done, Kylo and Rey. Both Obi-Wan and Anakin would have slaughtered Snoke's guards much faster. Just use your lightsaber like Yondu's arrow.
Kylo Ren - Still emo. Still no info about the Knights of Ren. So he turns dark because Uncle Luke tried to kill him while he slept? Ben kills Han with no real hesitation but told Rey he didn't really hate him. He doesn't kill Leia and hasn't killed Rey (twice now). Are you in love, Ben? In love to an abandoned scavenger born from low-life junk traders? Kills Snoke. Then has zero hesitation to have every shot fired at Luke. Huh? Do you think we missed? Kylo Ren is more emo and confusing than a teenage girl.
Snoke - Still a mystery. Did they have to kill him that soon? He lasted barely any longer than Dooku and had as much screen time as Maul if you combined all the scenes he was in from the previous one. It was the most critical moment and it became a cheap death as bad as Phasma.
They are the three most interesting and yet, they are not interesting if compared to others.
The thing is, I want to love Rey and Kylo Ren. I'm not some sexist who only wants male leads. I love Wonder Woman, Black Widow, and Hit-Girl. I wanted to love Rey. I wouldn't mind if she turned dark but she is so Mary Sue and it wouldn't make sense if she turned, I figured she would remain good. But she's such a bore. Felicity Jones as Jyn Erso did a better acting job than Daisy as Rey.
I had Kylo Ren as my avatar and background pic on Facebook. How I view him now is a wishy-washy wuss who is emotionally distraught like a teenage girl experiencing her period for the first time. I wanted to know more about Rey's parentage, The Knights of Ren, and more Snoke and got no useful info from any of them in this movie.
Kids from Canto Bight can all be Force-sensitive and be more special than a Jedi. The Midichlorians was bad enough. Now anyone can use the Force like it's being offered as free Wi-Fi. There is nothing special being a Jedi anymore.
RIP Admiral Ackbar
The voice actor for the character died anyway.
Ackbar
Snoke
Phasma
Holdo
Luke
Most were unexpected except for maybe Phasma. Most body count since Revenge Of The Sith...
Dooku
Grievous
Mace
Anakin (figuratively)
Jedi order expect two main ones
Trade Federation
Padmé
I understand NOT killing Leia in the movie. Her death was well beyond post production and just cutting her scenes would disregard her work on it. Although her coming back from her coma probably wouldn't affect the group. But why force Luke to be Force Ghost?
Here's the thing, I adore Oscar Isaac when he did Ex Machina and X-Men: Apocalypse. I couldn't even recognize him or Domhnall Gleeson (Hux) in EM. But I'm not invested in his Poe character or Boyega's Finn. I just felt they gave both a wild goose chase to keep them relevant to the story. They added a YouTuber actress who's basically a custodian like Finn to help him.
They're all glorified sidekick characters that are neither interesting but needing something to do that doesn't really affect the main plot. Every time I saw their scenes, I kept asking where is Rey, Kylo, Luke, and Snoke? They're more interesting and integral to the plot.
I enjoyed the twists and turns but some of the direction it is headed to is questionable at best.
The three most important NEW characters in this trilogy -
Rey - Still a Mary Sue. Still don't know where she really came from other than words uttered by Kylo. No real formal Jedi training and she was able to overpower Kylo and Luke. The fight scene when her and Kylo teamed up was cool but Hayden & Obi-Wan's in the prequels are superior especially in ROTS. Hayden might be a bad actor but his athleticism and skills twirling a lightsaber behind his back is top notch.
This is how its done, Kylo and Rey. Both Obi-Wan and Anakin would have slaughtered Snoke's guards much faster. Just use your lightsaber like Yondu's arrow.
Kylo Ren - Still emo. Still no info about the Knights of Ren. So he turns dark because Uncle Luke tried to kill him while he slept? Ben kills Han with no real hesitation but told Rey he didn't really hate him. He doesn't kill Leia and hasn't killed Rey (twice now). Are you in love, Ben? In love to an abandoned scavenger born from low-life junk traders? Kills Snoke. Then has zero hesitation to have every shot fired at Luke. Huh? Do you think we missed? Kylo Ren is more emo and confusing than a teenage girl.
Snoke - Still a mystery. Did they have to kill him that soon? He lasted barely any longer than Dooku and had as much screen time as Maul if you combined all the scenes he was in from the previous one. It was the most critical moment and it became a cheap death as bad as Phasma.
They are the three most interesting and yet, they are not interesting if compared to others.
The thing is, I want to love Rey and Kylo Ren. I'm not some sexist who only wants male leads. I love Wonder Woman, Black Widow, and Hit-Girl. I wanted to love Rey. I wouldn't mind if she turned dark but she is so Mary Sue and it wouldn't make sense if she turned, I figured she would remain good. But she's such a bore. Felicity Jones as Jyn Erso did a better acting job than Daisy as Rey.
I had Kylo Ren as my avatar and background pic on Facebook. How I view him now is a wishy-washy wuss who is emotionally distraught like a teenage girl experiencing her period for the first time. I wanted to know more about Rey's parentage, The Knights of Ren, and more Snoke and got no useful info from any of them in this movie.
Kids from Canto Bight can all be Force-sensitive and be more special than a Jedi. The Midichlorians was bad enough. Now anyone can use the Force like it's being offered as free Wi-Fi. There is nothing special being a Jedi anymore.
This is the worst criticism I have read (and not just from you). It has been made clear that Rey is the most force sensitive person arguably in all of the canon. She is more naturally gifted than anyone since (and probably including) Anakin Skywalker. Leia is OBVIOUSLY a force sensitive person who chose politics over the Jedi order. I'm not sure why people think this is a problem.
And, for the record, how many Jedi are portrayed in the last Jedi? 2, which is tied with every Star Wars OT film. This argument is just whining.
And the kid? It only makes sense that there are force sensitive kids all over the galaxy. The Jedi used to train them (younglings)
Old school fan here, waited in line in '77, 12 times actually. Saved all my toys, comic books, etc., to give to my kids, blah blah blah.
Won't be waiting in line again. Pretty disappointed actually. To me it was an action packed Disney movie featuring a few characters from Star Wars. Some good effects, too much unnecessary CGI. Some of the Luke scenes at the end were mildly compelling, but too little, too late. Sorry to say, but this one was cut from the same cloth as the prequels in many ways.
But hey, many reviewers call it the new and improved "Empire Strikes Back" so... there's that.
Won't be waiting in line again. Pretty disappointed actually. To me it was an action packed Disney movie featuring a few characters from Star Wars. Some good effects, too much unnecessary CGI. Some of the Luke scenes at the end were mildly compelling, but too little, too late. Sorry to say, but this one was cut from the same cloth as the prequels in many ways.
But hey, many reviewers call it the new and improved "Empire Strikes Back" so... there's that.
Overall, I really liked the movie. It was longer then I thought. I kept thinking, is this the end? Are they ending on a cliff hanger (Fin being captured)?
My thoughts on the Rey/Kilo Ren/Snoke scene
My thoughts on Luke:
My thoughts on the Rey/Kilo Ren/Snoke scene
While the cinematography Rey, Kilo Ren and Snoke was awesome, I'm underwhelmed over his death. I mean we see earlier in the movie how powerful he is as he casually zaps Kilo Ren, or tosses Rey around the room, yet he dies in the second movie rather meekly and surprisingly. I can understand that many Star War fans are upset. They built up Snoke's abilities, and powers yet they just seemingly cast aside. I think they really could have used him more.
I understand if they didn't kill him off, it may parallel Return of the Jedi too much.
Regarding Snoke: I know in the original trilogy the Emperor's character wasn't all that fleshed out, he was just an evil being, and likewise with Snoke but that was in 1977, its now 2017 and the Star Wars universe is very fleshed out and defined. I really wanted more back story of who Snoke was or where he came from. It doesn't make all that sense such a powerful and malevolent being could exist under the noses of Darth Insidious/Vader yet that's what we have to assume. I do love the idea of him being the resurrected/reanimated Darth Plagueis.
I understand if they didn't kill him off, it may parallel Return of the Jedi too much.
Regarding Snoke: I know in the original trilogy the Emperor's character wasn't all that fleshed out, he was just an evil being, and likewise with Snoke but that was in 1977, its now 2017 and the Star Wars universe is very fleshed out and defined. I really wanted more back story of who Snoke was or where he came from. It doesn't make all that sense such a powerful and malevolent being could exist under the noses of Darth Insidious/Vader yet that's what we have to assume. I do love the idea of him being the resurrected/reanimated Darth Plagueis.
My thoughts on Luke:
I was hoping for more jedi-ish from him, not someone who was still so reluctant to return, but I understand why. Its not a criticism just what I was hoping. A disappointment was his death, partly because Han passed away in the Force awakens, and in real life Carrie Fisher's passed away (too early in life). I was hoping to have one of the original three stars make it into Episode 9. Yet with that said, I do like how they did it
I also loved how they handled the face off with Luke and Kilo Ren, that was freaking awesome
I also loved how they handled the face off with Luke and Kilo Ren, that was freaking awesome
Overall I give the movie a 4 stars out 5. I may have some niggling disappointments over some decisions with the characters it was an incredibly enjoyable movie, and I look forward to seeing it again because I know missed a lot.
Now anyone can use the Force like it's being offered as free Wi-Fi. There is nothing special being a Jedi anymore.
Exactly.
I could watch that fight all day. It's been a pleasure revisiting the prequels and noting a little bit of Shaw Brothers, more Kendo and other sword fighting styles crept into the Jedi and Sith's fighting abilities. I love Ewan as Obi-Wan (just replaced my Sideshow General Kenobi Clone Wars figure.) I'm a bit more forgiving of some acting and story choices now having revisited the PT several times over the past two weekends. Ewan reminded me of how Obi-Wan kicked Luke to the curb as my favorite character after 25 years back in the early aughts.
So much great material now lost to the original EU (I would utterly weep with joy if Dark Horses' Dawn of the Jedi series was made into something because to me, that and Dark Times series with Dass Jennir were the most Star Wars like media I'd seen outside of the six films and whatever else I read.) It is what it is.
I'm pretty much over Disney throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Anyone can tap into the Force now...Anakin started that trend with his conception. I get that Disney feels the Jedi and Sith as we knew them have run their course and they want to explore new ideas, that's something I welcome and am saddened by. So far the execution has been meh.
I wish the casts and crews well. I hope new fans like this and can appreciate the previous movies. I will probably enjoy Mark Hamill's performance and the Porgs sound hilarious (yes, I've read every last dang spoiler I can), as for the rest? Well, I don't care. I'll chill until Ewan comes back to do his thing in the desert (again.
) If you think the worst criticism is that anyone can be Jedi, you haven't read anything yet. I am so glad I went numb to what Disney are doing. This way, I can just treat it like a popcorn movie and be grateful I rethought my Star Wars fan life...
That look in Mark's eyes. LOL!
I didn't fundamentally disagree with Rian Johnson on how he envisioned Luke except for the end.
Unlike Tyrone Magnus, Luke Skywalker was never one of my idols. We saw more Mark than Luke like we saw more Harrison than Han in Ep 7. I didn't mind that. Hamill is way funnier in real life than how Luke is written.
The 5 Reasons Luke Skywalker Is A Complete Idiot
Luke will need to have closure and that's with death. So making him a more pessimistic Yoda from TESB made sense. But since Carrie's death, I didn't expect it to be so soon. It's like me expecting Iron Man to die because nothing lasts forever and RDJ is getting older. We can't expect new adventures of Luke Skywalker at Hamill's age.
Still, I don't buy into these new characters. I can clearly understand making Rey to appeal to a different demographic. I saw many females in the theater. Asians also make up 60% of the world population, and I'm glad SW is trying to diversify and the galaxy doesn't consist of mostly British males. Even the robots are Brits. I don't mind Finn being black, Poe being Latino, and Rose being Asian.
There were just some questionable moves I didn't agree with. And with JJ back to direct IX, I have as much confidence in him as Justin Lin did Star Trek: Beyond and Jony Ive back in the Apple design team. It sounds like I hate The Last Jedi and I don't. Planning to see it again next week to catch all the Easter eggs and let it marinate in my mind. It moved faster than TFA and was longer that I can't remember everything.
Every movie I have seen, and I've seen thousands, has flaws. I can point them out for even The Godfather I & II. No perfect film like no perfect OS or smartphone. I like movies like Wild Hogs and Hot Tub Machine, so it's not like I'm a film snob.
All these complaints like people who don't like the latest iPhone keynote. Guess what? We're slaves because we're diehard fans. Day 1 for many of us no matter how much we complained about the previous one.
We just have to view these franchises as episodic. Your favorite TV shows won't always have an episode you like. Some will just be better than others. Think of them as 2+ hr episodes. Some of us will probably get to SW Ep XV or XX by the time we are old.
Disney is going to milk this franchise like MCU forever and ever like Apple will continue to offer products forever and ever.
Theater experiences
TPM - 3x, Day 1 (morning, 9am)
AOTC - 2x, Day 1 (midnight)
ROTS - 3x, Day 1 (midnight)
TFA - 2x, Day 1 (eve, 9pm)
TLJ - 1x, Day 1 (eve, 7pm)
Only Rogue One wasn't a Day 1 (more like Day 4) but those last four minutes really saved the movie from me disliking it because there wasn't much character development and that movie needed to be a two-parter.
When Luke saw Princess Leia's hologram again from Artoo and saw Leia again as a hologram, that was sweet.
Canto Bight was nice to look at.
"Do you think we missed?" - Hux
"I changed my hair." - Leia
Nice to see Amilyn and Leia being like old homegirls.
I really want to know more about DJ.
There were a number of quips and small nuances I really liked from it. It's the longest SW film ever at 2 hrs and 32 min. That's about 20 min longer than average and pacing was definitely not an issue like it was in TFA and R1. It took us to several places with many beautiful shots.
TPM
1-3 viewings - like it
After 4 - it's ok
Vader has a bowl cut. Yippee! "I'm a person and my name is Anakin."
AOTC
1-2 viewings - like it
After 3 - hate it
^ Worst SW film to me especially once we got to the conveyor belt. Very good first 20 minutes.
ROTS
1-3 viewings - love it
After 12 years - still like it but no longer my fav SW film.
All the prequels are skippable. Natalie Portman had to deliver the cheesiest lines for it but wins an Oscar six years later. Can't blame the actors and actresses for the typical crap dialogue since '77.
TFA
1-2 viewings - like it
After 3 - dislike it more
TLJ
1 viewing - like it so far
For anyone who still likes The Force Awakens and this Sequel Trilogy is for a new generation of SW fans, you will enjoy The Last Jedi even more. This trilogy isn't really catered for someone like me who recently turned 37. I do believe it will hold up better with repeat viewings than TPM, AOTC, and TFA all did. Enjoy, kids.
Childhood dreams do come true...
So I'm still not clear, are you saying The Last Jedi is your 5th favorite Star Wars film?
Critically panned or simply bad movies I thoroughly enjoy -
Wild Hogs
Hot Tub Machine
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Kingpin
Dumb And Dumber To
The Forbidden Kingdom
Indiana Jones 4 (KOTCS)
Troy
Real Steel
Maybe The Last Jedi is like Indiana Jones 4 and The Forbidden Kingdom and I start liking it more when I watch it more at home. I didn't like KOTCS when I first saw it at the theater. There is alot of "bad" movies that become cult classics or guilty pleasures once they appear on cable.
The first Dumb & Dumber was not highly reviewed or popular when first released. The Shawshank Redemption was a box office flop until Blockbuster rentals made it more popular. There are also popular movies that become boring once watched more times like Inception and The Hangover.
It takes multiple viewings to truly grasp a movie.
When I was a kid, it was all about Saved By The Bell.
When my 23-year old bro was still ages 7-9, it was all about Lizzie McGuire.
When my 15-year old sis and 13-year old bro were about ages 7 & 9, it was all about iCarly and Victoria Justice.
Most of my idols from Star Wars are either dead, retired, or should retire. I understand where Di$ney is trying to go with SW even if I don't agree with the story. Appeal to the kids and different demographics.
Every generation has a legend...
Wild Hogs
Hot Tub Machine
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
Kingpin
Dumb And Dumber To
The Forbidden Kingdom
Indiana Jones 4 (KOTCS)
Troy
Real Steel
Maybe The Last Jedi is like Indiana Jones 4 and The Forbidden Kingdom and I start liking it more when I watch it more at home. I didn't like KOTCS when I first saw it at the theater. There is alot of "bad" movies that become cult classics or guilty pleasures once they appear on cable.
The first Dumb & Dumber was not highly reviewed or popular when first released. The Shawshank Redemption was a box office flop until Blockbuster rentals made it more popular. There are also popular movies that become boring once watched more times like Inception and The Hangover.
It takes multiple viewings to truly grasp a movie.
When I was a kid, it was all about Saved By The Bell.
When my 23-year old bro was still ages 7-9, it was all about Lizzie McGuire.
When my 15-year old sis and 13-year old bro were about ages 7 & 9, it was all about iCarly and Victoria Justice.
Most of my idols from Star Wars are either dead, retired, or should retire. I understand where Di$ney is trying to go with SW even if I don't agree with the story. Appeal to the kids and different demographics.
Every generation has a legend...
At this point it seems like some Star Wars fans are unpleasable. I’m a huge star wars fanboy, and I loved TFA and TLJ both. I liked TFA a little bit more because it felt more like Star Wars, but I still really liked TLJ. I think it sets up the potential for the rest of the Star Wars universe really well. I’m a little bit afraid that Disney is going to turn Star Wars into the stupid Guardians of the Galaxy / Marvel films. I got some Marvel hints in TLJ. Please please please don’t do that Disney. Don’t turn Star Wars into a stupid, mindless actiony-superheroesque franchise.
I contend that Empire Strikes Back would be panned by fans if it came out today.
Critics are right. It's a good movie. One of the better ones in the canon. Fan expectations have gone literally insane.
And before someone tries to discredit Rotten Tomatoes, the metascore is in the 80s and metacritic is much more stringent and realistic than Rotten Tomatoes.
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If Disney threw the baby out with the bathwater, it's only because George Lucas aborted the baby with that awful prequel. Amazing saber fights and McGregor's performance aside, the Prequels are all but unwatchable anymore. The acting was always terrible (not sure how you can be mad about The Last Jedi but give the prequels a pass for acting) but the worst part is, the special effects have aged terribly. Almost everything looks fake now.Exactly.
I could watch that fight all day. It's been a pleasure revisiting the prequels and noting a little bit of Shaw Brothers, more Kendo and other sword fighting styles crept into the Jedi and Sith's fighting abilities. I love Ewan as Obi-Wan (just replaced my Sideshow General Kenobi Clone Wars figure.) I'm a bit more forgiving of some acting and story choices now having revisited the PT several times over the past two weekends. Ewan reminded me of how Obi-Wan kicked Luke to the curb as my favorite character after 25 years back in the early aughts.
So much great material now lost to the original EU (I would utterly weep with joy if Dark Horses' Dawn of the Jedi series was made into something because to me, that and Dark Times series with Dass Jennir were the most Star Wars like media I'd seen outside of the six films and whatever else I read.) It is what it is.
I'm pretty much over Disney throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Anyone can tap into the Force now...Anakin started that trend with his conception. I get that Disney feels the Jedi and Sith as we knew them have run their course and they want to explore new ideas, that's something I welcome and am saddened by. So far the execution has been meh.
I wish the casts and crews well. I hope new fans like this and can appreciate the previous movies. I will probably enjoy Mark Hamill's performance and the Porgs sound hilarious (yes, I've read every last dang spoiler I can), as for the rest? Well, I don't care. I'll chill until Ewan comes back to do his thing in the desert (again.
If you think the worst criticism is that anyone can be Jedi, you haven't read anything yet. I am so glad I went numb to what Disney are doing. This way, I can just treat it like a popcorn movie and be grateful I rethought my Star Wars fan life...
In short, if you hated "The Last Jedi" but somehow make excuses for the prequels, you're not looking at the movie as a film, you're judging it based on preconceived notions of how you want Star Wars to be, which is neither fair nor relevant.
I agree 100%. I’m excited to see what JJ does with the next one, I think he’ll definitely slow things down a little. I didn’t love Rian’s style but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I liked how JJ used more practical effects and the film felt like it was really well structured.
My ranking would go as follows:
The Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
The Last Jedi and Rogue One
Then all of the prequels
I think too many Star Wars fans go into a movie with a set level of expectations and perspectives. Luke needs to behave a certain way, the villians need to do x, y, and z. So when the movie veers off from their preconceived notions they're unhappy.
I was talking to a friend who saw the movie last night, he's probably one of the biggest star wars fans I know. He loved the movie and he said because he walked into the thearter without any expectations and enjoyed the movie for what it was.
I admit I wanted Luke to behave a certain way that was counter to the story, but overall, once I just sat there and enjoyed the story unfold, I really liked it
I liked the movie for sure, but I feel some lacking where there's no back story on SL Snoke. Either he's not really dead or the was an abrupt ending for what was to be a super villain.
Also the opening cringe worthy hold/call with Hux and Poe. It does no justice to Hux's character I'm sure he didn't arise to that position by being a complete buffoon.
Also the opening cringe worthy hold/call with Hux and Poe. It does no justice to Hux's character I'm sure he didn't arise to that position by being a complete buffoon.
I cringed at that part too because it felt like Guardians of the Galaxy and I really don’t want Star Wars to turn into that kind of thing. That’s not the type of humor that Star Wars has.
Wow. Difference of opinion. Sounds likes we all “make excuses” for things we like and do not like. Sheesh.
I do not care about RT or the critics, or thinking about it as a film. I care about the characters and story and what I have known and loved for 40 years and that is a crime? LOL. When did watching movies become a committe based activity? I can see flaws and the good, but Maker forbid I do not see it the same way you or the critics do and that makes me not fair or irrelevant?
Thanks for being yet another reason why I am proud to have my own opinion.
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He's very much like the Emperor in that sense.
Oh please. We're having a discussion. Don't get all bent out of shape about it. You went in expecting one thing and it went another way. The problem is, it would appear that people are mad about artistic choices, which is fine, but don't mistake that with a bad movie.
The fight choreography in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are not even as good as the one from The Phantom Menace.
I used to defend Rey from being labeled a Mary Sue. I used to defend The Force Awakens from haters. I can't now. Writers completely made Rey so powerful where she can overpower Kylo and Luke with no formal training the same way the writers in MCU made Captain America stronger in every film since The Winter Soldier. I think Daisy Ridley is a hottie but it's hard for me to support Rey if I don't know who the hell she is!
Kylo Ren was someone I wanted to love and I just can't anymore. His intentions doesn't make any sense from one scene to the next. I think if Kylo Ren faced his 75-year old grandfather (Vader died in his mid-40's) if reincarnated, he would get OWNED considering he can't beat Rey in battle or keeps refusing to kill her. He's just a weak boy as Snoke said. Forget Vader, Kylo would get destroyed by a 877-year old little, green dude.
Supreme Leader Snoke is weakest replacement for any villain I have ever seen in the Star Wars Cinematic Universe. Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Darth Sidious are rolling in their graves. Snoke was talking all that junk to Kylo before getting split by him. He's like MCU's The Mandarin and TLJ is the Iron Man 3 of the series where some will love it and some will hate it. I tend to fall in the middle (right now).
I could have just accepted Snoke creating Rey, or Ben & Rey being cousins or siblings (Jaycen & Jaina), or Rey being Anakin reincarnated. But no. We get no concrete new info for Rey or Snoke.
Star Wars: Episode IX - The RomCom
This is the typical SW formula -
Dark vs Light = Balance of the Force
Is the hero going to turn? They usually do.
Some philosophical or political intrigue.
Some space battles.
Some lightsaber duels.
^ Wash, rinse, repeat.
Similar to emo Kylo Ren, Snoke is weak sauce.
Best character in this Sequel Trilogy so far has been BB-8, the more mobile R2-D2 replacement. Revenge Of The Sith still has the best fight choreography for any SW film with the most lightsaber battles.
Top 5 Favorite SW Characters
1. Darth Vader
2. Yoda
3. Han Solo
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. R2-D2/BB-8
^ Tied, Swiss army knives and unsung heroes. I'm a Droid guy except for Threepio.
Top 5 Favorite SW Films
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return Of The Jedi
4. Revenge Of The Sith
5. The Last Jedi
I will really know if I truly enjoy watching it on repeat once it becomes available to watch in downloaded form on my TV. Knowing JJ Abrams and Di$ney, IX will end up the worst like X-Men: Apocalypse did.
Revenge Of The Sith and Captain America: Civil War were two of the rare exceptions. And I don't love The Return Of The King all that much anymore with that long ending. Fellowship EE was better.
The movie sucked for various reason.
(SPOILER)
1) The movies had feministic-like agenda theme. Majority of the characters were women. There were fewer men.
2) The story didn't make sense.
3) Yoda showed up out of nowhere and casted a lightening on the tree temple...and it was destroyed and he was laughing.
4) Disney made Luke Skywalker a weak and evil man (I can see why he hated this movie).
5) Superwoman Lela. The ship blew up and she floated away in space. She should have died, but instead Lela woke up and used her super power to fly back to her destroyed ship.
6) Snoke died..and he didn't sense any force/ or forseen his death.
7) Rey was a useless character. She discovered her parents sold her for some money to buy alcohol.
Too much PC stuff going on here.
(SPOILER)
1) The movies had feministic-like agenda theme. Majority of the characters were women. There were fewer men.
2) The story didn't make sense.
3) Yoda showed up out of nowhere and casted a lightening on the tree temple...and it was destroyed and he was laughing.
4) Disney made Luke Skywalker a weak and evil man (I can see why he hated this movie).
5) Superwoman Lela. The ship blew up and she floated away in space. She should have died, but instead Lela woke up and used her super power to fly back to her destroyed ship.
6) Snoke died..and he didn't sense any force/ or forseen his death.
7) Rey was a useless character. She discovered her parents sold her for some money to buy alcohol.
Too much PC stuff going on here.