Explain how "moral responsibility of the thieves" will be used to solve the problem.
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State and City Officials to Investigate Anti-Theft Practices of Cellphone Makers Following Summit
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Explain how "moral responsibility of the thieves" will be used to solve the problem.
This argument doesn't hold because by making phones ugly you'd hurt everyone. By anti-theft-blocking them you hurt only the thieves.
AND POLITICIANS!!!!! They are so busy taking bribes and fooling around that we're becoming so corrupt it is ridiculous.
But seriously, what happens if someone figures out to kill other people's phones remotely?
Idiots, idiots. Don't they have anything better to do in this life? Like investigate why police department have failed to prevent the theft of smart phones. Or possibly investigate the reason why school districts have failed to educate the kids who are yanking smart phones in question.
Not interested in jailbreaking myself, but many are, so would it work with jailbreaking as well?
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So I put up a WiFi hot spot with a common name and let people connect to it. I intercept the traffic sent off to this Apple service and return a bogus serial number. All the connected iDevices wipe themselves.
I think I found a risk
So I put up a WiFi hot spot with a common name and let people connect to it. I intercept the traffic sent off to this Apple service and return a bogus serial number. All the connected iDevices wipe themselves.
I think I found a risk
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How else are people supposed to identify an item as stolen? The device cant magically know its stolen. The real responsibility should lie with the carriers. Let a customer call up and report a stolen phone. Every activated phone has a hardcoded unique ID, needed to activate a phone. There should be a shared database for all carriers to mark phones as stolen, problem solved. However, they don't and instead just go ahead an activate any old phone no questions asked. So, Apple is forced to do what they can. Which is offer a, now, FREE iCloud service and device tracking system. If people choose to not use it with a $600-$800 device, that's their own damn fault. I had an old Razr stolen a long time ago. Cops and carrier could do NOTHING to help. MobileMe/iCloud was worth the 99 bucks a year for that alone. Now its free. No excuse. Just hit a damn toggle.
What about the other smart phone companies 6 or more years ago? Where was the protection on my Nokia 9300, my Sony Ericsson P800, my Nokia E61, my Sony Ericsson P900i, my Nokia 9500?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If you are so concerned can you point me to where, 6 years ago, you said that Apple should have included such a thing?
So I put up a WiFi hot spot with a common name and let people connect to it. I intercept the traffic sent off to this Apple service and return a bogus serial number. All the connected iDevices wipe themselves.
I think I found a risk
In such a system that traffic would likely be encrypted and require more than just a plain text serial number...
A very simple solution is Raid and Arrest Swap shop owners
I got my stolen phone back at a swap shop/ flea market store after 4 days of tracking with find my iPhone. thankfully the thief did not know about reseting device and swap shop owner did not reset. I found a police officer nice enough to follow through and check the phone to see if it was mine. It was. I got lucky..
It is a pretty dramatic story on how it all went down and two long for here.
The shop and several other in the building had hundreds of used phones that were probably 90% stolen. It is so easy for the shop owner to check to see if they have been reported stolen or if have an active cell phone service.
The police should raid these places and arrest all shop owners who are participating in the trafficking of stolen phones.
The owner of shop just got a slap on the wrist and was out the $100 he paid for it. Not good!. He will just remember to wipe clean next time so cannot be tracked.
I got my stolen phone back at a swap shop/ flea market store after 4 days of tracking with find my iPhone. thankfully the thief did not know about reseting device and swap shop owner did not reset. I found a police officer nice enough to follow through and check the phone to see if it was mine. It was. I got lucky..
It is a pretty dramatic story on how it all went down and two long for here.
The shop and several other in the building had hundreds of used phones that were probably 90% stolen. It is so easy for the shop owner to check to see if they have been reported stolen or if have an active cell phone service.
The police should raid these places and arrest all shop owners who are participating in the trafficking of stolen phones.
The owner of shop just got a slap on the wrist and was out the $100 he paid for it. Not good!. He will just remember to wipe clean next time so cannot be tracked.
IMO, the phone carriers are the ones that are most at fault. If a phone is reported stolen, then that phone should not able to be re-activated by anyone or by any carrier. That serial #, IMEA (SP?) #, etc. should be locked and unusable by anyone accept the person who bought and registered the phone. Eventually some carrier will be approached to activate the phone ans they, with some easy research, should be able to know if it is stollen. Incidentally, pawn shops are obligated to deter theft and selling of stolen properties and are on the hook (financially) if they buy stolen property.
Why should it just be strictly apple and manufacturers that have to solve these theft problems? Why can't lawmakers and prosecutors impose differ penalties for theft. Why not go back to the stone ages and start chopping off hands? As with any crime in the US and abroad, give stiffer consequences instead of slap on the wrists for them to do it all over again.
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This seems like one of those "obvious in hindsight" issues. With always-connected devices why not install a kill switch? Because no one's thought of it before, that's why. We've never gone down this path before and the implications of what is possible are only now coming to light.
Seems like overkill on the governemnt's part. If they're that worried they should create a regulation saying that all phones in the future should support this, not sue the manufacturers because no one ever thought of it before,
This seems like one of those "obvious in hindsight" issues. With always-connected devices why not install a kill switch? Because no one's thought of it before, that's why. We've never gone down this path before and the implications of what is possible are only now coming to light.
Seems like overkill on the governemnt's part. If they're that worried they should create a regulation saying that all phones in the future should support this, not sue the manufacturers because no one ever thought of it before,
Oh boy
Just what we need...more government intervention...
If someone can't keep their eyes on their phone, its their own fault. How is it Apple's fault if my phone gets stolen? Besides, Apple has built in tracking software. The cellular providers have a stolen phone database.
I believe there are a whole lot more dire problems that need the attention of city and state official rather than cell phone thefts. How about homelessness, government fraud and abuses, unemployment, etc. Fix those, then get back to me about cellphone thefts.
Just what we need...more government intervention...
If someone can't keep their eyes on their phone, its their own fault. How is it Apple's fault if my phone gets stolen? Besides, Apple has built in tracking software. The cellular providers have a stolen phone database.
I believe there are a whole lot more dire problems that need the attention of city and state official rather than cell phone thefts. How about homelessness, government fraud and abuses, unemployment, etc. Fix those, then get back to me about cellphone thefts.
Yes you could probably bypass it via jailbreaking if you bypass the activation process and hacktivate the iPhone which could bypass the activation lock. However if restored through iTunes again one would hit the activation lock again until it is authenticated.
I agree with you 100%. In addition to your point, don't we all pay local and state taxes to pay for a police force that protects us. It is the responsibility of government to protect its people not private companies. By having this summit these government officials are saying sorry but this isn't part of a policemen's duties and that to me just seems wrong on so many levels.
Definition of LAISSEZ-FAIRE
1: a doctrine opposing governmental interference in economic affairs beyond the minimum necessary for the maintenance of peace and property rights
Government needs to stop trying to "fix" things that have nothing to do with them and focus on things like potholes and telephone poles!
1: a doctrine opposing governmental interference in economic affairs beyond the minimum necessary for the maintenance of peace and property rights
Government needs to stop trying to "fix" things that have nothing to do with them and focus on things like potholes and telephone poles!
The carrier blacklist database goes online later this year.
A phone that can't be activated even with a new SIM is pretty useless.
So ebay and such will have lots of phones with "BAD ESN" listed.
You could cut down on theft if eBay would pull phones listed with "BAD ESN".
But they get a cut for the bad devices.
Politicians have no business trying to "investigate" so they can "dictate" technology.
Track your phone.
Lock your phone.
Don't ride public transit with your phone in your hand.
Don't walk down the street with the phone in your hand.
I have never had a phone lost or stolen.
I've has cell phones since 1994.
A phone that can't be activated even with a new SIM is pretty useless.
So ebay and such will have lots of phones with "BAD ESN" listed.
You could cut down on theft if eBay would pull phones listed with "BAD ESN".
But they get a cut for the bad devices.
Politicians have no business trying to "investigate" so they can "dictate" technology.
Track your phone.
Lock your phone.
Don't ride public transit with your phone in your hand.
Don't walk down the street with the phone in your hand.
I have never had a phone lost or stolen.
I've has cell phones since 1994.
So I put up a WiFi hot spot with a common name and let people connect to it. I intercept the traffic sent off to this Apple service and return a bogus serial number. All the connected iDevices wipe themselves.
I think I found a risk
There's this thing called "cryptography" that you forgot.
Oh of course, there's no software in cars these days....
To state you can't compare the two is ridiculous. You can liken it to any type of software product within reason.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not a good idea to have some form of protection against stolen devices but essentially to start a lawsuit is ludicrous. Once again it seems to be about the blame culture.
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That was exactly not the question that I asked. If you can't activate it, it would be bizarre if you could jailbreak it and use it. The question was: If I have the AppleId and password, and have activated the phone, and then jailbreak it, do I still have activation lock protection for my phone if it gets stolen?