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I'm not sure what you mean by another figure. Mr. Bill Gates sure was world-known...so was Jack Welch...and Michael Dell.

Many CEOs of companies that produce consumer products are well known. Tim Cook may be well-known years from now.

As for your "lucid" point...it doesn't matter...that is your belief. Beliefs are beliefs...regardless of how many people agree with the belief.

Let's also not forget that Jobs started Apple back in the 70s and the company did ok...he was not world famous in the 70s or 80s...Apple products did not dominate back then (although they were popular). Jobs left Apple...came back years later and took a company that was ready to file bankruptcy/be sold and turned it into what it is today by VISION and LEADERSHIP.

Beliefs are different from inferences. Beliefs are the assumptions that go into making one's decisions. Inferences and conclusions are the logical deductions based on evidence, logic, and assumptions (Belief). They can still be wrong, but are not the same thing as belief.

Now one can accuse someone of having beliefs and assumptions that eschew the conclusions they draw - one can also accuse them of recursion if one thinks that their conclusion is in fact the starting assumption they make. Please note that I am not saying these are fair or unfair accusations in this case. I am just pointing out that in general, inferences (conclusions) are not facts, but neither are they beliefs and this is a distinction with a difference - an important difference.
 
Steve Jobs was a deeply flawed individual...

… but so am I. Among my flaws, I have been an irritant to many people throughout my life, and although I have clearly demonstrated my intelligence in many areas, I am not over-all nearly as brilliant as Steve was.

We can look back on many historical figures and find character flaws. JFK was a womanizer, among other things, but Ben Franklin was much worse! And MLK apparently plagiarized parts of his doctoral dissertation. That doesn't mean these people didn't make huge and valuable contributions to our world.

I guarantee you that there are really thoughtless mistakes I have made that I have no clue about, which would only be discovered under careful critical historical review. But then again, I'll never be famous enough for that to happen. It is only famous people that are examined that closely, where seemingly innocent events can be interpreted negatively through the filter of history and the critial eye of many people looking specifically for errors.

Admire people for what good they've done. Judge them for the mistakes they made. And take them as whole packages, because that's what you get. Normal human beings that try to do good and often make errors.

50 years from now, Steve Jobs will be criticised similarly to JFK and MLK, where people seek to show the world that they weren't as great as we think. 200 years from now, Steve Jobs, alongside others like Bill Gates, will be admired similarly to Ben Franklin, for being key contributors to the personal computer revolution.
 
Mackintosh

I like the way the FBI file refers to his role at Apple as "General Manager of the Mackintosh Division." Apparently he also made raincoats.
 
President

Quote: "some questioning his honesty and making reference to his ability to "twist the truth and distort reality in order to achieve his goals"."

He would have made a great President!
 
… but so am I. Among my flaws, I have been an irritant to many people throughout my life, and although I have clearly demonstrated my intelligence in many areas, I am not over-all nearly as brilliant as Steve was.

We can look back on many historical figures and find character flaws. JFK was a womanizer, among other things, but Ben Franklin was much worse! And MLK apparently plagiarized parts of his doctoral dissertation. That doesn't mean these people didn't make huge and valuable contributions to our world.

I guarantee you that there are really thoughtless mistakes I have made that I have no clue about, which would only be discovered under careful critical historical review. But then again, I'll never be famous enough for that to happen. It is only famous people that are examined that closely, where seemingly innocent events can be interpreted negatively through the filter of history and the critial eye of many people looking specifically for errors.

Admire people for what good they've done. Judge them for the mistakes they made. And take them as whole packages, because that's what you get. Normal human beings that try to do good and often make errors.

50 years from now, Steve Jobs will be criticised similarly to JFK and MLK, where people seek to show the world that they weren't as great as we think. 200 years from now, Steve Jobs, alongside others like Bill Gates, will be admired similarly to Ben Franklin, for being key contributors to the personal computer revolution.

While I understand what you are saying I am not sure that people criticize JFK or MLK much. MLK has a national holiday (not suer if Arizona picked it up yet) and JFK's can still sell a book, movie or tv show.

In any event, I am about half way through the Jobs' book and this cat was a true A#$hole! A funny/brilliant guy, but my goodness...
 
I think I remember reading somewhere that he bought and paid for the house they were living in though.

He gave $700k to Lisa's Mom to cover expenses and for the house to be a trust on Lisa's behalf. Her mom sold the house without the child's consent pissing him off even more.

Lisa's doing quite well. Speaking on her behalf about her father none of you have the slightest information about, beyond heresay, speaks volumes to the ignorance of the mob.
 
My wife decides on all the colors and trim in our house...did she design/build the house? Nope. Is it a wonderful house? Yes.
Is she pleased that you give her no credit, then?

Here's how you test. Use your first post as a guide. Tell her she didn't really have anything to do with what the house looks like, that choosing the house and its esthetics is meaningless and shouldn't even be considered. Be sure to use bold and YELLING words to make sure she understands your point.

Enjoy the couch.

:rolleyes:
 
And yet he changed the world of consumer tech, several times over, and arguably, some of the world at large. Genius? Certainly. A bit of madness? Maybe. But from this man of curious contradictions and singular vision, came Macs, OS X, iPods, iPhones, iPads . . . and look where we are today. It's this man's vision that's come alive and driving the industry.

But then again, to achieve all that, Steve Jobs *had to be* all those things. All of which ended up being an asset. The government's loss entirely.

And yet they allowed someone like Henry Kissinger to go as far as he did. And so many others like him afterward.

I bet if the report had Bill Gates or Lee Kun-hee (Samsung CEO) on it you wouldn't have posted that ;)

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As you've seen, the industry has not, since that time, been able to produce another Steve Jobs-like figure.

So you're saying that the industry no longer has anyone who comes out with new 'game changing' products, correct? (Genuine question)

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I think I remember reading somewhere that he bought and paid for the house they were living in though.

No, his friend bought the house. Jobs then gave the friend money. He never gave anything to Lisa's mother. He was a complete ******* about it.
 
And yet he changed the world of consumer tech, several times over, and arguably, some of the world at large. Genius? Certainly. A bit of madness? Maybe. But from this man of curious contradictions and singular vision, came Macs, OS X, iPods, iPhones, iPads . . . and look where we are today. It's this man's vision that's come alive and driving the industry.

See people? This is what happens when you build a company around a cult of personality.

Things get weird.
 
This is not information that should be in the public domain (whether living or dead). The Freedom of Information act is good in many ways...but damn...this is a blatant violation of the late Steve Jobs' privacy. Shame on those who chose to release it!

Maybe I misunderstand your post, but FOIA and similar laws like the Sunshine Ordinance in San Francisco REQUIRE the release of information requested by the Public...sure, there are certain exceptions, but for the most part, if it doesn't threaten national security or a lawsuit, or trade secrets, medical files...it MUST be released (there are 9 exceptions). There is no one to 'shame' because they 'chose' to release it, presuming they followed the law.
 
Wow that's crazy they have a file on the guy like that.

Not crazy at all. It is completely common for Presidential appointments (and many government contract roles) to go through a background investigation, whether NACLC (National Agency Check) or SSBI (Single Scope) for levels of clearance including Confidential, Secret, Top Secret and Top Secret - Sensitive Compartmentalizd Information (TS-SCI).

The information doesn't have to be deemed critical to national security in order be classified in levels below TS-SCI/Need-to-Know.
 
He gave $700k to Lisa's Mom to cover expenses and for the house to be a trust on Lisa's behalf. Her mom sold the house without the child's consent pissing him off even more.

Lisa's doing quite well. Speaking on her behalf about her father none of you have the slightest information about, beyond heresay, speaks volumes to the ignorance of the mob.

In the end, I know nothing but rumors how Steve Jobs lived his life, but I know there are gazillions of people who are or were worse than he was, so nothing of any importance really. On the other hand, I'd like a list of people who added about 300 billion dollars to the market caps of any company. It's a very very short list.
 
See people? This is what happens when you build a company around a cult of personality.

Sometimes truth really *is* stranger than fiction.

Had Steve Jobs not *done* what he had done, there would be no "cult." All of it is product-driven. He can have the most enrapturing personality you can think of, but if he can't deliver the goods, it's all for nothing.

So you're saying that the industry no longer has anyone who comes out with new 'game changing' products, correct? (Genuine question)


I don't see anyone now. Do you? Lots of Sanjay Jhas and Michael Dells and whoever Acer's CEO is . . . *yawn.* Same old, same old. All you need to have done is have a look at what went on at CES. The industry is laughably bankrupt for ideas.

I guess the wait begins . . .
 
Sometimes truth really *is* stranger than fiction.

Had Steve Jobs not *done* what he had done, there would be no "cult." All of it is product-driven. He can have the most enrapturing personality you can think of, but if he can't deliver the goods, it's all for nothing.

There's a fine line between respecting a company for its achievements, and unwavering, abject hero worship.
 
Most interesting discovery:
His high school GPA was 2.65 or slightly lower than a B-.

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This is not information that should be in the public domain (whether living or dead). The Freedom of Information act is good in many ways...but damn...this is a blatant violation of the late Steve Jobs' privacy. Shame on those who chose to release it!

My understanding is that the SSNs of deceased people are made public in order to reduce fraud. If you attempt to impersonate a dead person as part of a scam, you'll be caught.
 
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Most interesting discovery:
His high school GPA was 2.65 or slightly lower than a B-.

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My understanding is that the SSNs of deceased people are made public in order to reduce fraud. If you attempt to impersonate a dead person as part of a scam, you'll be caught.

That is one sparkling GPA. I was not aware that SSNs are made public.
 
This is not information that should be in the public domain (whether living or dead). The Freedom of Information act is good in many ways...but damn...this is a blatant violation of the late Steve Jobs' privacy. Shame on those who chose to release it!


Seems like you're completely wrong and death results in the publishing of your SSN as a matter of public record.

http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/04/06/what-happens-to-your-social-security-number-after-you-die/
 
Most interesting discovery:
His high school GPA was 2.65 or slightly lower than a B-.
And? What's your interest? Having spent 25 years of my life as learner and educator, I fail to see how high school grades have any reflection on a person's life, character, or career. Particularly now with no-fail systems. /shudder

It's only interesting to me because it's yet another salvo of how meaningless grading systems are at testing anything except how well someone writes tests. How he was treated by his teachers and peers would have shaped him far more, as well as what he would have skipped class to devote his time to. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Jobs dropped out of Reed.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1988080_1988093_1988086,00.html

Truly great success can't be taught, it can only be learned.
Also:
"If you enjoyed high school you were part of the problem." - The rest of us.

(And for the record, I stopped attending high school as a C+ teenager, grew up, worked, and went back at 20 for A+ honour roll; which basically paid for my first year of college. Currently working on my second degree, possibly a double-major. It gets harder as you get older! But it's always going to be worth it.)
 
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So, Jobs was a big arrogant dick. This was not a tightly guarded secret. Good thing tax money went to figuring this out.
 
Why wouldn't they redact his SSN? Am I the only one who thinks it's completely wrong for that to become public information, even posthumously?

In the wrong hands, this is not good. His signature is also displayed all over the document.

This is not information that should be in the public domain (whether living or dead). The Freedom of Information act is good in many ways...but damn...this is a blatant violation of the late Steve Jobs' privacy. Shame on those who chose to release it!

I'm curious why people think the SSN and signature of a dead person is somehow a violation of privacy. An SSN is only private if the person is still living. The Social Security Administration has for years published a list of every SSN associated with a deceased individual. One of the stated goals for publishing this list is to help reduce fraud by providing an authoritative public list of SSNs which are no longer valid:

The SSA Death Master File is used by leading government, financial, investigative, credit reporting organization, medical research and other industries to verify death as well as to prevent fraud and comply with the USA Patriot Act.

As for Steve's signature being in the document, I hate to break it to you, but his signature is already all over the web, and was inscribed in the case of the original Macintosh. I don't think he considered it sensitive or private.
 
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