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Is this Steve Jobs?


@cmaier You have valid points. Obviously, the phone doesn't work for you and I'm sure that's disappointing. But honestly my original point stands: For you to keep the iPhone 4 and make it work for you, you have three choices.

1) Get a case.
2) Learn to hold it differently.
3) Accept the fact that it's going to drop some calls until the day that Apple decides to acknowledge and fix the problem -if that day ever comes.

Otherwise, your only option is to return the phone. If you have a problem with the phone and can demonstrate it to them, there is no way that Apple will charge you the restocking fee. Argue it and they will back down for you as they have for many others.

Your comment about not wanting to pay $700 for something then have to pay $30 more for something else to make it work reminds me of when my cousin bought his $3500 HD TV. He took it home and hooked it up to his satellite box and discovered he couldn't get HD. He was pissed when he found out that he had to shell out another $100 bucks for the HDMI cable.
 
No mental issues, your writing is horrendous.

Here is how an intelligent person would have written that response -- perhaps you should hire an editor...?

If my writing isn't "digestible" to you, you must have mental issues because you're a crying child whose toy is busted; grow up! I've had my iphone 4 since the 23rd and I haven't had a dropped call and can't replicate this "death grip" issue. If you don't like your phone, return it and stop crying.

Study that and learn something.

You can't turn water to wine either -- Does that mean Jesus doesn't exist? ;)

That has nothing to do with what i gust said. All you did was try to insult me like a child.
 
Ring, ring -

HUSBAND: Hi honey!

WIFE: I'm in - (call drops, she keeps talking) - labor! Quick, call the doctor, come get me fast!

CO-WORKER TO HUSBAND: Who was that?

HUSBAND: just my wife again, got cut off. It's nothing.

------

Just a phone, eh?
 
My point is that you have your priorities all screwed up
Its steve is not being immature at all
YOU ARE.
There are things in life more important than toys.
There are bigger things in the world going on that stupid reception issues

Ef that

My relationship to Steve and Apple is hardware/software provider role.....THAT'S IT, not a friend role. I have my friends and family for that advice.

If their crap can't work they need to fix it. They are the ones who happily took my money and now telling me that it's just a phone and all this other wishy washy bs?

If it is just a phone steve, how about you effing give me back MY money or man up and fix the effing issue. I want it to work and will hold out for a solution. However, if they don't do anything, I will be returning it. These silly replies don't sooth anything. Rather they make me even more upset

Steve's replies as of late are making me view apple alot more negatively and if they keep it up, they can just go screw themselves and find themself another customer
 
Steve Jobs, what an utter buffoon

Looking over these forums since the the release of the Iphone 4 has brought to the surface a great very truths about Mr Jobs, what is that?. Its very evident from his inability to communicate effectively with his OWN customer base is a sign of sheer utter incompetence on his part.

The sheer arrogance of man is enough to leave anyone with sour taste in the mouth. His replies to customers email and 'self help' advise is spat in the face of those who have made him and products so successful. Instead Mr Jobs has become the new emperor with no clothes. In that he believes his products as flawless and beyond reproach resulting in his inability to accept any form of criticism towards them. The fact of the matter is the Iphone has a hardware fault that cannot be addressed by 'Holding in a different way' or buying a 'Bumper' or even software update.

The solution to the problem, well I dare to say it, is a recall of current iphone 4 models and correction to the hardware problem.

What wont help Apple is Mr Jobs making things worse with unsympathetic emails and statements which will only serve to make him a villain and the company a bad Apple.
 
If your friend really did pay $100 for an HDMI cable, he's a moron.

Well, I thought it was obvious he was a moron by the fact that he didn't buy cables for his new TV. :D Maybe he paid less than $100, but pretty close. He probably bought into the Monster hype though, knowing him.

rhanley said:
Sounds like your cousin got ripped off, but in all fairness, I'm sure the television documentation and packaging clearly stated that cables were not provided and would need to be purchases separately.

Now, had your cousin bought the television to hang on his wall, only to find out it doesn't work that way and he has to place it on a television stand, would you think that's fair?

Apple didn't tell me I would need a case, and Apple won't even come out and admit there is an issue.

That's my concern.

It's a valid concern. But now you know that you need to buy a case and you have to make a decision: Is it worth it to you to shell out $30 for a case or do you want to return the phone before it's too late. It's really that simple.
 
I my case, my elbow is farther away from my spine than my hand when holding the cell phone to my head.
And with me part of raising it up is from holding position drags my elbow forward in so it is over the mid left chest so my hand is further out when it goes to my ear - hardly needs a change in wrist position at all other than a slight dorsal rotation.

I've never noticed slow downloading when in hand but then I'm a 'when its done its done' kind of guy and never really had any impression of it being 'slow' anyway.
 
Not everyone on this forum is a native English speaker. How many languages do you read/write perfectly?

Then go to a message board for a language you can write in.

Or, better yet -- Don't come on a board and personally insult somebody with a garbled mess of English and not expect to be called out on it.
 
This problem is NOT limited to holding the phone. I frequently used my 3G by putting it on my desk on speaker phone so I could type with both hands. Now with my iPhone 4, it drops calls usually at about the 7 minute mark. I'll try to post a video later to prove that it happens at least 50% of the time.

... but I'm not TOUCHING the phone or antenna... it's sitting on a wooden desk!

I'm going to Apple today to see if they even have a spare they can replace my phone with. If that doesn't work, I'm returning it. Jobs is right.. it's just a phone, and I'd rather have one that works.
 
Guys , please turn off your WiFi devices. This thread cannot continue until you TURN OFF YOUR WIFI DEVICES!!
 
Then go to a message board for a language you can write in.

Or, better yet -- Don't come on a board and personally insult somebody with a garbled mess of English and not expect to be called out on it.

Rhanley is just a fool pay no mind to his pretty insults.
 
It IS just a phone.
It CAN be returned if it is faulty.
You DON'T have to stand in line for days to own this toy.
What is wrong with the world?
Complainers, GET A REAL LIFE!
If you so need to be negative or champion a cause surely you can find a better way to vent your angst.
This is nothing short of pathetic :rolleyes:
 
There's really not much to say except the same thing we say to everyone else who came here with a time machine from last week: You don't understand the issue at all, so you're comparing apples with oranges.

Yes, you can muffle the signal on other phones a bit if you grip it hard around the antenna. With the iPhone 4 it's not about muffling the antenna, it's about making contact with a conspicuous G-spot that ****s up the phone completely to the point where the signal is entirely lost. This doesn't require a tight grip, you can do it with a fingertip.

As for your ridiculous rant about people being narcissists for wanting a phone to work normally... it's not about "overinflated egos" wanting a "perfect signal" fit for a king. It's about expecting the phone to function normally, as in not constantly dropping calls, as in data traffic not grinding to a halt when you hold the phone like Steve and all the actors in Apple's commercials do.

Muffle or not, you are still blocking the antenna and the signal loss can be replicated. It's not apples and oranges, it's the exact same thing. And it is exactly about overinflated egos. It's a free market system, if you don't like how the phone works then return the damn thing. It's not rocket science.

I could understand legal action IF a defect was dangerous, i.e. Toyota, but this is just about a product where a small portion of the population are experiencing problems, probably because they are in a weak signal area in the first place. And, I guarantee that Apple and AT&T will have the data to back that up in court. My signal will drop too, but the area I live in is strong enough for the signal not to drop and I have no problems. Again, if the phone doesn't work for you, you could have returned it.

I understand the situation completely, and this is just another example of how ignorant people have become in this day and age. The problem must not be that bad, the little suckers are still selling out left and right, and that's with the media copycatting you guys so they can make more money instead of doing real journalism.
 
take it back then!
Mine don't have this problem
so im not bitter like you

Your right I am bitter, and having you tell me what to do doesn't make it any better.

I shouldn't have to take it back.

I'm starting to wonder how many people are commenting on this issue that dont even actually have one.
 
not worth it

I want to know the percent of phones that actually have this problem. I would bet the 5% of phones actually have an antenna issue that is triggered from just touching the phone, as an FYI (every iPhone has had this problem, it just more noticeable because one person made more stink about it) I would bet 35% have the problem when you purposely hold it in a certain way to make it happen. The other 60% of people have no problems and I include myself in this category. I have found that my phone does not have the problem, my girl friends phone, everyone i work with (about 250 ppl) and all the phones at the apple store don't have this problem. So im a bit confused as to why so many people care when it hardly affects any phones. Out of the 250 ppl that i work with only 5 phones where able to loose signal if you pressed hard enough on the SIM slot or cover the whole antenna up.
 
Ring, ring -

HUSBAND: Hi honey!

WIFE: I'm in - (call drops, she keeps talking) - labor! Quick, call the doctor, come get me fast!

CO-WORKER TO HUSBAND: Who was that?

HUSBAND: just my wife again, got cut off. It's nothing.

------

Just a phone, eh?

Same story but the wife has a 3GS in a location with -112 dBm of signal.

WIFE: Darn, I can't get a cell phone call though. Hopefully some passing motorist will help deliver the baby here by the side of the road.

PASSING MOTORIST with an iPhone 4: Sure, I'll try and help. But look, my phone gets a signal here if I hold the phone up a bit higher. "911 dispatch, please send someone quick".

Later:

NEW BABY: waaaahhhhhhh!!!!!

HUSBAND: I'm sure glad that passing motorist had an iPhone 4 that he knew how to use properly.
 
It's a valid concern. But now you know that you need to buy a case and you have to make a decision: Is it worth it to you to shell out $30 for a case or do you want to return the phone before it's too late. It's really that simple.

It IS just a phone.
It CAN be returned if it is faulty.
You DON'T have to stand in line for days to own this toy.
What is wrong with the world?
Complainers, GET A REAL LIFE!
If you so need to be negative or champion a cause surely you can find a better way to vent your angst.
This is nothing short of pathetic :rolleyes:

Hey...both of you cut that out...no need to bring common sense and logic to a discussion....
 
It IS just a phone.
It CAN be returned if it is faulty.
You DON'T have to stand in line for days to own this toy.
What is wrong with the world?
Complainers, GET A REAL LIFE!
If you so need to be negative or champion a cause surely you can find a better way to vent your angst.
This is nothing short of pathetic :rolleyes:

We have a right to complain and say whatever we want.

You're complaining about complainers complaining about complaining. Maybe u should get a life.
 
I want to know the percent of phones that actually have this problem. I would bet the 5% of phones actually have an antenna issue that is triggered from just touching the phone, as an FYI (every iPhone has had this problem, it just more noticeable because one person made more stink about it) I would bet 35% have the problem when you purposely hold it in a certain way to make it happen. The other 60% of people have no problems and I include myself in this category. I have found that my phone does not have the problem, my girl friends phone, everyone i work with (about 250 ppl) and all the phones at the apple store don't have this problem. So im a bit confused as to why so many people care when it hardly affects any phones. Out of the 250 ppl that i work with only 5 phones where able to loose signal if you pressed hard enough on the SIM slot or cover the whole antenna up.


+1:D:D


Thank you!!!
 
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