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You have it backwards the web preceded the Internet - don't remember ARPNET, PLATO and the rest? - long before there was the Internet.

(I did so love phoenix 3)


Bob,

I beg to differ. Particularly since I used the Internet extensively before 1989 and provided commercial access to the Internet shortly after the World Wide Web was created and long before there was any commercial use of it. Lets look at some easy to understand dates shall we:

The term "internet" was adopted in the first RFC published on the TCP protocol (RFC 675:[20] Internet Transmission Control Program, December 1974) as an abbreviation of the term internetworking and the two terms were used interchangeably. In general, an internet was any network using TCP/IP. It was around the time when ARPANET was interlinked with NSFNet in the late 1980s, that the term was used as the name of the network, Internet,[21] being a large and global TCP/IP network.

The key date there is 1974. I will let you stretch it out to late 1980s.

As the Internet grew through the 1980s and early 1990s, many people realized the increasing need to be able to find and organize files and information. Projects such as Gopher, WAIS, and the FTP Archive list attempted to create ways to organize distributed data. Unfortunately, these projects fell short in being able to accommodate all the existing data types and in being able to grow without bottlenecks. [citation needed]
One of the most promising user interface paradigms during this period was hypertext. The technology had been inspired by Vannevar Bush's "Memex"[45] and developed through Ted Nelson's research on Project Xanadu and Douglas Engelbart's research on NLS.[46] Many small self-contained hypertext systems had been created before, such as Apple Computer's HyperCard. Gopher became the first commonly-used hypertext interface to the Internet. While Gopher menu items were examples of hypertext, they were not commonly perceived in that way.


This NeXT Computer was used by Sir Tim Berners-Lee at CERN and became the world's first Web server.
In 1989, while working at CERN, Tim Berners-Lee invented a network-based implementation of the hypertext concept. By releasing his invention to public use, he ensured the technology would become widespread.[47] For his work in developing the World Wide Web, Berners-Lee received the Millennium technology prize in 2004. One early popular web browser, modeled after HyperCard, was ViolaWWW.

A potential turning point for the World Wide Web began with the introduction[48] of the Mosaic web browser[49] in 1993, a graphical browser developed by a team at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (NCSA-UIUC), led by Marc Andreessen. Funding for Mosaic came from the High-Performance Computing and Communications Initiative, a funding program initiated by the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 also known as the Gore Bill.[50] Indeed, Mosaic's graphical interface soon became more popular than Gopher, which at the time was primarily text-based, and the WWW became the preferred interface for accessing the Internet. (Gore's reference to his role in "creating the Internet", however, was ridiculed in his presidential election campaign. See the full article Al Gore and information technology).

On 6 August 1991, CERN, a pan European organization for particle research, publicized the new World Wide Web project.

Key dates here are 1989 and 1993. And of course 1991, the most important date.

1974 (Internet term coined) Late 1980s (Period of time ARPANET and NFSNET were joined)

Are both before:

1989 (WWW Conceived), 1991 (WWW Spec Made Public) and 1993 (First Graphical Browser that 99.9999% of the planet connects with the WWW was created).

There is no conceivable way anyone can believe the World Wide Web pre-dates the RFCs for TCP/IP and/or the merging of ARPANET and NFSNET.

Quotes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

Because they were convenient. I could easily find 1000 other first hand accounts with the same dates.
 
Good morning, MacRumors ...

Standing at the train station waiting to get the train to work, got a full five bar 3G signal and I'm holding my iPhone 4 like Jobs did at the keynote, and the bars won't drop.

I've been standing holding it like this for 7 minutes now (got here at 9am exactly).

Hatred won't believe me, but it's right in front of my eyes. It's obviously dependent on how good the signal in the area you're in is.

Still hasn't dropped a single bar ...
 
Good morning, MacRumors ...

Standing at the train station waiting to get the train to work, got a full five bar 3G signal and I'm holding my iPhone 4 like Jobs did at the keynote, and the bars won't drop.

I've been standing holding it like this for 7 minutes now (got here at 9am exactly).

Hatred won't believe me, but it's right in front of my eyes. It's obviously dependent on how good the signal in the area you're in is.

Still hasn't dropped a single bar ...

We have a Winner!
 
Good morning, MacRumors ...

Standing at the train station waiting to get the train to work, got a full five bar 3G signal and I'm holding my iPhone 4 like Jobs did at the keynote, and the bars won't drop.

I've been standing holding it like this for 7 minutes now (got here at 9am exactly).

Hatred won't believe me, but it's right in front of my eyes. It's obviously dependent on how good the signal in the area you're in is.

Still hasn't dropped a single bar ...

In my experience full bars doesn't full service.
 
Without a doubt, every single person on here with reception problems loves their iPhone 4. It is friggin perfect, with the exception of the phone part. It would really pain us if we had to return our phones. So, it just not as simple as "return it".

You really only have 3 choices

1) Return the phone.
2) Exchange the phone.
3) Wait for a fix.

Ranting in the forums is not going to get you anywhere other than more pissed off.

I myself would keep exchanging the phone until it worked.
 
It's interesting reading about this signal issue. I've just handed out 3GS iPhones to 40 of my staff, and the only complaint I've received so far is about how poor the signal quality is (compared with their old Nokia 3G phones). I'll be watching for the software update to see if it helps somehow...
 
Oh, and you honestly thought people were going to take you up on your offer and ranting on MR would just go away?





Self pwnage win! :D

haha. I was laughing at the fact that you still try to use it to be funny, but I see what you did there ;)
 
It's interesting reading about this signal issue. I've just handed out 3GS iPhones to 40 of my staff, and the only complaint I've received so far is about how poor the signal quality is (compared with their old Nokia 3G phones). I'll be watching for the software update to see if it helps somehow...

wonder if they'll make the change affect 3gs's. no one was complaining about 3gs's, but if people start seeing 2 bars where they're used to seeing 5 bars, things will get ugly.
 
wonder if they'll make the change affect 3gs's. no one was complaining about 3gs's, but if people start seeing 2 bars where they're used to seeing 5 bars, things will get ugly.

That's exactly what's going to happen. The reason the bars are higher than what they should be, is due to a "fix" Apple released in 2.?.

When the iPhone 3G came out, users reported signal issues. To remedy this, Apple foolishly "added bars" to their signal indicator. Now they're going to retract this and users will see their true reception.

I'm going to microwave some popcorn when this software update gets released. I can't wait to see all the confused, unhappy iPhone customers. What's funny, though, is it's all visual and people will get mad for no reason. It's not going to change the performance of the phone, nor will it address the real issue: dropped calls on the iPhone 4.
 
I guess it now makes sense to me that the emails were fake.

Why would Steve Jobs mention "family" in the first place?

He disowned his own child for so many years until a paternity suit was threatened or filed even though he was already filthy rich but just couldn't accept his own child.
 

I don't really know the answer to this, but it's important to remind people that Wikipedia is NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA and that things are often posted by just plain idiots and stupid people accept it as truth.

So if you're getting your info on Wikipedia, guess what?

You're dumb!

I could change those wiki links today just for sport! LOL

But I won't because I have a life thank god and there are better trusted sources. :D
 
Are you sure you aren't on Jobs payroll? Cause the phone has a serious problem, and it's definitely location related. I should not have to think about moving my pinky up or down, I should be able to hold the phone wherever I want and still expect it to work. Death grip or not, I drop calls multiple times a day because I am busy doing other stuff while talking on the phone and my finger slips and before you know it I get the three beeps of death.

And those GD bumper cases are hideous, I'm happy you like yours though.

I don't need bumpers on my iPhone. I make sure that I don't cover up both black strips. It's not hard at all.
 
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