a little off subject but does that issue come out next week on the 31st and a secondary question where can i get a copy. Im a business major and could stand to learn something from these guys/gals.
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Steve Jobs amongst America's Best Leaders
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I think Steve Jobs is twice the leader of all/most of the people on that list, simply because he is the CEO of 2 companies!
Hello everyone this is an argurment for Mr. Gates. How do you feel about living in America. See the beauty of it is that if your white male and are upperclass you can pretty much get away with anything (ie.. fraud, embezzlement, etc.) I don't think this is right by any means, but atleast he has the decency to give back to the world that is much more corrupt then he. He is a man whos wealth surpasses the majority of gov't funding for many countries in the world.
lets just be thankful hes not a dictator.
lets just be thankful hes not a dictator.
Sorry guys, but...
Only Americans can consider the CEO of a company as a leader in bad times. That's a joke!
People like Gates and Jobs don't do **** for the greater good. Their main motivation is to make money and to gain power. But it is way easier to look like a saint, when you have so much money that you don't know how to spend it anymore...
What exactly did people like Jobs and Gates do to make this world a better place?
Don't get me wrong... I love Mac OS X, but I hate the company!
Jobs is an egocentric poser. So that's what Americans want in a true leader? Tells a lot and also doesn't make you wonder anymore why Bush got elected a second time.
Sorry again, but this article really hit a nerve!
groovebuster
Only Americans can consider the CEO of a company as a leader in bad times. That's a joke!
People like Gates and Jobs don't do **** for the greater good. Their main motivation is to make money and to gain power. But it is way easier to look like a saint, when you have so much money that you don't know how to spend it anymore...
What exactly did people like Jobs and Gates do to make this world a better place?
Don't get me wrong... I love Mac OS X, but I hate the company!
Jobs is an egocentric poser. So that's what Americans want in a true leader? Tells a lot and also doesn't make you wonder anymore why Bush got elected a second time.
Sorry again, but this article really hit a nerve!
groovebuster
ioinc said:
As I explained in my reply above, it all depends on your point of view. If someone's lazy and only wants to do the minimum necessary, anyone pushing him for a higher standard could be an ******* in his mind.
Someone's "good enough" could be to have higher standards than Microsoft. But for Steve, that's not high enough. Hence, to that someone, Steve is an ******* who's asking for too much for absolutely no reason.
But that's why OS X, iLife, iPod, etc. kicks ass.
We don't consider them our leaders, if I understand everyone correctly, but they lead their companies very well, do they not?groovebuster said:
And by the way, when you say ...
Seems like that is what Americans want...Guess we're stupid
w00master said:
Actually, I don't think Bill Gates delved into philanthropy until after his marriage. I think his wife has more to do with Bill Gate's philanthropy than he does. Maybe SHE should have made list of leaders
groovebuster said:
Well, we DO live in a capitalist society, so there really can't be any surprise there. And when you look at our political "leadership", how much great leadership do American's have to choose from???
groovebuster said:
American's can put up with a little egotism. And as far as those who elected Bush, I've found that among those I've me, they mostly aren't the same people as those that are "follow" jobs (i.e. Mac people). Just my own observation. I'd be interested to see the stats on this and was intrigued back when Kerry was pictured on the cover of Time magazine sitting in front of a PowerBook...
longofest said:
He did more than just that. I'm not saying Steve Jobs is necessarily the greatest guy who ever lived, I don't even know if he is necessarily even a good guy at all... I would need to know a lot more about his personal life to make any sort of claim to that effect, but he is one of the most important people in the world. He has been instrumental in helping to shape the present and future of human civilization.
Multimedia said:I can't think of anyone better at leading than Steve. I'm not sure I understand why Bill is also included. He's really copying Steve as best he can with a bad vehicle in the first place. Google guys I agree are up there with Steve. But not at his level of innovation and charismatic influence over customers as well as his employees.
And of course you are kidding...
Yvan256 said:
And you are kidding too... stolen ideas? What about apple? XEROX story anyone (ohh yes he stole it, he did not license anything)! Bankrupt small Apple retailers, Konfabulator... etc! Take a pill Yvan and stop being a fanboy and hater!
Last time I checked you never were FORCED to buy Windows or any other MS product... people chose it among a lot of other OS/Software: linux, beos, next, macos, etc
Some people in this board needs to pass the hippie/hater attitude. Its time to grow!
Bill Gates is in there not for innovation but for shuffling money, this is about "businessmen".longofest said:WHY does Gates get to share in this honor???
(fyi... i know why, i'm just mad that it happened)
radio893fm said:
Steve Jobbs turns products mainstream by making them more userfriendly, the rest is just business. Microsoft has had enough investigations into its business practices to suggest that they are bullying everybody. Most PC's still come with Windows, and you have no real choice if you are just an uninformed consumer -- luckily thats changing!
Buy the book, even Icon is painting a picture of somebody who is great even if with a somewhat strange personality.Chaszmyr said: