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TigerPRO said:
It seems like the hacking movement forced the truth down Apple's throat that they can't survive against the enormous will of the people.
***... can we be a little more pretentious?

Yes, we could, if we had said: "The hacking movement has..." But I get the point, sorry about coming off so strongly.
 
Is a GPS app possible? I thought it was something more related to hardware than to software...
 
I wouldn't be to sure about that. It's very possible Stevo will require iTunes to remain the only portal by which to purchase and install approved 3rd party apps.

I agree with you here. There will definitely be iTunes distribution... but will they charge? That seems to be the big question. There aren't currently any iTunes-downloadable items that are without
price (unless there is a sale, of course) so it seems unlikely to be absolutely free to me. I do wonder, however, if they'll allow product demos so we can try items before we buy.

-Clive
 
My guess is this SDK won't be backwards compatible with existing phones . . .

You really think so? Aaah . . . I don't think so. Can you picture it now?

"Well, we finally are releasing our SDK for the iPhone" (2-minute applause).

"But, it won't work on the 1,000,000 + plus iPhones we have already sold, only on these new ones which we are releasing today" (2-minute boos & hisses).

I seriously doubt Steve would finally announce an iPhone SDK only to have it work on version 2 iPhones (talk about a backlash). Not going to happen.

"SDK for ALL my friends!" (ala Mickey Rourke in "Barfly").
 
I just hope the basis of the SDK isn't all about rendering content via the Safari engine and then providing some hooks to run this content offline and provide launcher icons.

That would suck. The whole Web 2.0 movement has been two steps backwards for software development IMHO. Compared to writing solid, object oriented code in a language like Java, C#, Objective C, etc.... well, lets just say that assembling functionality in HTML & Javascript utilizing asynchronous XML calls to who-knows-what on the server side... argh. What a mess. True, there are some frameworks that add a little structure to this, but they are exactly that- frameworks on top of a poor foundation.
 
I agree with you here. There will definitely be iTunes distribution... but will they charge? That seems to be the big question. There aren't currently any iTunes-downloadable items that are without
price
(unless there is a sale, of course) so it seems unlikely to be absolutely free to me. I do wonder, however, if they'll allow product demos so we can try items before we buy.

-Clive

Podcasts. Hosted by third parties, but accessed through iTunes. Seems the closest model they have at the moment to an open software sort of program.

Of course if it's digitally signed and approved by apple it will be like the ipod games, hosted by apple and bought from apple through itunes.
 
Memory space?

So with all the new apps that are going to come out, how much space will they take up. Im one of the "cheapos" that bought the 4GB, If there are a bunch of cool apps are they gonna take up tons of space?
 
AWSOMMMMMME. :D

I Jailbreaked (or should I say Jailbroke) my touch and it rocks. Can't wait till the sdk

Now where's FLASH???????
 
$0.99 for widgets
$4.99 for simple apps/games
$9.99 for full size productivity apps

WHAT?!

You wish to put in place a forced price model for something that's currently an open economic playing field? What if Ambrosia wishes to charge $50 for a neat iPhone-based audio editor? What if the dude from Quicksilver ports his work to the iPhone, for free? The one-price-for-all model only works for music because of fierce fighting between apple and riaa. I, personally, would MUCH rather see a nice supply/demand cost system for iTunes Music. Artificial pricing is bad in almost every circumstance.

No, man. I don't want Apple in the loop for ANY of this software application stuff., especially not for billing. There are niches out there where we need to develop and install our own apps, and for the only way to distribute is have Apple reselling them just won't work.

..so, just like on your computer, you're responsible for not installing crappy apps from shady developers. You are responsible for if you think an app is worth the money you pay.
 
I can see Jobs sitting in the meeting, "Well guys we tried"

Now I have 4 months to save up for an Ipod Touch.
 
So with all the new apps that are going to come out, how much space will they take up. Im one of the "cheapos" that bought the 4GB, If there are a bunch of cool apps are they gonna take up tons of space?

I was wondering this myself. I own an 8GB, but space is still an issue. That could be one huge advantage with apps through iTunes. This would allow users to purchase whatever apps they wanted and select what ones they wanted to sync to their phone. Just an idea. I am also curious what these apps will do to battery life.
 
This news is almost to good to be true...there must be some little twist that comes along later...shrug...Even if there is some wild twist this could still be the coolest thing that Apple has done in awhile.
 
nonsense.
iTunes is a marketplace.3rd party apps will have to be certified and licensed before they will be allowed onto iTunes. This isn't going to be open house for every hacked junk shareware class app. Quality apps sold via iTunes- there won't be any 'bad developers'.

There won't be because the market will kill them, just as it has done for computers for YEARS. YEARS, man.

A 'certification system' will kill the creativity of the midnight coder who has some great idea that changes the way people live. A 'certification system' makes things elite, and the little guy is on the outside.

And you think Apple is going to do regression testing on every app that comes in the door? Nonsense.

Do you think Apple will allow competitors to Safari, Mail and (if it exists) iChat?

Please, guys -- if you don't want the app, DON'T INSTALL IT.

I can't understand why you want more rules. You want to control what *I* do.
 
So with all the new apps that are going to come out, how much space will they take up. Im one of the "cheapos" that bought the 4GB, If there are a bunch of cool apps are they gonna take up tons of space?

Depends on the app, depends on what you buy.
 
Podcasts. Hosted by third parties, but accessed through iTunes. Seems the closest model they have at the moment to an open software sort of program.

Of course if it's digitally signed and approved by apple it will be like the ipod games, hosted by apple and bought from apple through itunes.

Touche! You can tell what I don't do much of... yeah... downloading podcasts.

-Clive
 
This is going to be great--for now--but a little worrying in the longterm.

The iPhone and its class is an entirely new and burgeoning market of device and software... opening up the iPhone by opening up an SDK is going to mean that Apple is going to be at risk for another situation like what happened in the late 80s and early 90s with Microsoft stealing all of their innovation. Right now they are doing a freehand sketch of the iPhone, but with access to all of the innards and sciences behind it, the methods, goals, and platform of the iPhone, it'll be a whole lot easier to start those photocopiers in Redmond...

This will all sound paranoid, but I'd rather be paranoid than myopic. Keeping it closed could have saved Apple and propelled them to 95% marketshare in those key early days. We'll have to see how this unfolds in, like Jobs says, several years...
 
I was wondering this myself. I own an 8GB, but space is still an issue. That could be one huge advantage with apps through iTunes. This would allow users to purchase whatever apps they wanted and select what ones they wanted to sync to their phone. Just an idea. I am also curious what these apps will do to battery life.

Great point, if they can be added or deleted through Itunes just like a movie or TV show that would mean you could get as many as you wanted and just change them out for ones that you want on at that time, I do this alot right now putting on different movies and shows every now and then to freshen up my chices since im pretty much out of available space
 
This was entirely predictable, an SDK was coming at some stage. The reasons outlined are perfectly acceptable. It is also acceptable that Apple wanted the product to bed down in the market before opening up the platform.

Remember — the first Mac didn't have and SDK.

Please note Jobs also says they "plan" for February, not "definitely" February, so don't start whinging on Feb 1st when we don't have your SDK.

No, the SDK should have been out by now, with all that hoopla by Apple. Plus all the bad publicity about the bricked iPhones by the 1.1.1 update is not going to help. By the time official 3rd party developers come on board and provide badly needed features, the competition would have copied much of the UI and added missing features.

Not to be negative, but I am getting sick of Apple's closed-mindedness, after sticking with them for so many years. I dropped them for my HTPC, because Apple has been so obtuse and it has no useable front-end (Front Row has so many limitations, it's a joke.)

If someone has the iPhone UI with GPS and 3G and open platform, they'll have my $$$. Still use Apple for work and just got a 24" iMac for home, though (to replace my old 20" iMac:)
 
I think they've had this planned all along, I've been saying it since the iPhone was first announced.

Gotta get rid of some of that bad press surrounding Apple lately.

Yeah...with stock at an all-time high, new OS shipping next week, guy on the BOD wins a freaking nobel prize...they're just dying over there in Cupertino.
:rolleyes:
 
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