I think pilotgi is correct. For Steve Jobs to announce a minor update to the G4 PB, at this late date, would be simply embarrasing. Jobs goes for the spotlight, the headlines, the total "wow" factor. I believe he will announce a lower MHz G5 Powerbook at Paris. It is the year of the Laptop after all. But what am I going to do about VPC?😕
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I think pilotgi is correct. For Steve Jobs to announce a minor update to the G4 PB, at this late date, would be simply embarrasing. Jobs goes for the spotlight, the headlines, the total "wow" factor. I believe he will announce a lower MHz G5 Powerbook at Paris. It is the year of the Laptop after all. But what am I going to do about VPC?😕
vollspacken
macrumors 65816
exactly! ...and back then everybody was raving about new powerbooks just like everybody does now... and I still had to wait two more months until I could order the 1GHZ tiBook...
vSpacken
Frobozz
macrumors 65816
Panther and P'books
My prediction:
-- Panther will be available for Preorder. Release date set. Available October 13th ot 20th?
-- Powerbook line updated. No G5, obviously, but the incremental boost we're all expecting. 12, 15, 17 all updated.
-- Wireless keyboard and Mouse released.
-- Other software revisions such as iChat 2.0, etc.
-- Maybe iPod accessories.
My prediction:
-- Panther will be available for Preorder. Release date set. Available October 13th ot 20th?
-- Powerbook line updated. No G5, obviously, but the incremental boost we're all expecting. 12, 15, 17 all updated.
-- Wireless keyboard and Mouse released.
-- Other software revisions such as iChat 2.0, etc.
-- Maybe iPod accessories.
idea_hamster
macrumors 65816
While Steve's plan to give the Paris keynote doesn't mean that there is going to be something big (as pointed out by arn) I think that it does say that there's not going to be nothing.
I think that if we're getting something, the worst feeling is let-down from artificially inflated expectations. I'm keeping mine low and hoping for:
*Snazzy new font on keyboards!
*"Apple" to court new Euro presence with name change to "Pomme"!
*New peripheral: the iCarpal-Tunnel!
*Next operating system to named OS Yen, followed by OS Zen!
*New iApp: iBSOD to give switchers nostagic feeling!
*Next Macs will do away with "archaic" CD-RW in favor of only hot-swap S-ATA drives!
*Re-vamped 15" PB to sport case made from buckyballs -- on track for 2008!
*Jobs to reveal OSX is actually binary representation of his own genome!
and the number one thing idea_hamster is waiting for from the Paris Expo:
*We're bringin' back the CUBE!
I think that if we're getting something, the worst feeling is let-down from artificially inflated expectations. I'm keeping mine low and hoping for:
*Snazzy new font on keyboards!
*"Apple" to court new Euro presence with name change to "Pomme"!
*New peripheral: the iCarpal-Tunnel!
*Next operating system to named OS Yen, followed by OS Zen!
*New iApp: iBSOD to give switchers nostagic feeling!
*Next Macs will do away with "archaic" CD-RW in favor of only hot-swap S-ATA drives!
*Re-vamped 15" PB to sport case made from buckyballs -- on track for 2008!
*Jobs to reveal OSX is actually binary representation of his own genome!
and the number one thing idea_hamster is waiting for from the Paris Expo:
*We're bringin' back the CUBE!
Jerry Spoon
macrumors 6502a
I don't think apple will be ready with the g5 pb's yet, but when he announces slightly bumped up g4 pb's I can't imagine there will be too much excitement in the house.
What is the sound of hundreds of people thinking at the same time, "I waited for THIS?"😕
What is the sound of hundreds of people thinking at the same time, "I waited for THIS?"😕
macworld paris
wanna know what's jobs going to announce?
- 12" Pb update
- Release Panther
- iPhoto and iTunes International support
wanna know what's jobs going to announce?
- 12" Pb update
- Release Panther
- iPhoto and iTunes International support
No Panther
An internal Apple memo last week said November to January for GM Panther. Now this could be simply to confuse their employees but I think not.
PB G4s, bumped would be great but I suspect all the Apple world would give a big yawn and say "So what?" Apple, should get G5s into the PBs as fast as possible (with a clip-on mini-fan that blows directly on the processor through a modified chicken wire enclosure.. USB2 connected of course! This makes good use of the 1.6 GHz processors that no-one seems to want int their towers Accompanied by a warning about not using the laptop while naked due to potential entanglement possibilities).
iTunes and iChat AV for Wintellers I think are priorities.
An internal Apple memo last week said November to January for GM Panther. Now this could be simply to confuse their employees but I think not.
PB G4s, bumped would be great but I suspect all the Apple world would give a big yawn and say "So what?" Apple, should get G5s into the PBs as fast as possible (with a clip-on mini-fan that blows directly on the processor through a modified chicken wire enclosure.. USB2 connected of course! This makes good use of the 1.6 GHz processors that no-one seems to want int their towers Accompanied by a warning about not using the laptop while naked due to potential entanglement possibilities).
iTunes and iChat AV for Wintellers I think are priorities.
It's here actually
😉
I think this years event will be more event-full as a lot of products are "cropped up" for so long now; Powerbooks, Panther, European iTunes Music Store, iPod peripherals etc...
4 negatives already???
Are we having a troll infestation or why is it that no matter how positive the news is people still find reasons to vote negative??
Cheers,
Ahmed
Are we having a troll infestation or why is it that no matter how positive the news is people still find reasons to vote negative??
Cheers,
Ahmed
maybe g5 xserves? I doubt anyone cares so much about an xserve, unless you run your company's it department. but ever since apple released the g5, the xserves became a huge rip off and even apple offered huge discounts on them to developers. I also think the new keyboard and mouse, ipod accessories, computer updates (unless annouced earlier), itunes for windows, and panther will be announced.
ColoJohnBoy
macrumors 65816
I'll bet Apple will release Panther for sale either that day or the next (It is supposed to be released in mid-September, right?). That would be cool to wake up, head to the Store and pick up Panther. 😀
Ahhhhh, the possibilities!
I don't expect to see G5 PowerBooks, but I wouldn't be surprised if they announced them and set November as a shipping date. If that's the case, I wouldn't mind at all having to wait a year for the update! Aagain, I doubt it'll happen but it's pretty damn awesome, especially since it's in the realm of remote possibility.
I do expect the Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard - it just seems given, and probably demonstartion of new software designed especially for and around Panther.
In any case, I hope there will be a webcast. I wouldn't mind staying up 3 am to see Steve-O give a keynot, no matter how major or minor.
BTW, "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" comes out on DVD tomorrow.
Huzzah!
Ahhhhh, the possibilities!
I don't expect to see G5 PowerBooks, but I wouldn't be surprised if they announced them and set November as a shipping date. If that's the case, I wouldn't mind at all having to wait a year for the update! Aagain, I doubt it'll happen but it's pretty damn awesome, especially since it's in the realm of remote possibility.
I do expect the Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard - it just seems given, and probably demonstartion of new software designed especially for and around Panther.
In any case, I hope there will be a webcast. I wouldn't mind staying up 3 am to see Steve-O give a keynot, no matter how major or minor.
BTW, "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" comes out on DVD tomorrow.
Huzzah!
nagromme
macrumors G5
I remain skeptical about G5 PowerBooks--although they are what I personally am waiting for. "Impossible" may be slightly too strong, but I've seen very convincing posts made on both sides of that question.
I seriously doubt Apple would say "no G5 PBooks soon" and then ship them around the same time as the desktop G5s! If August-Sept. was ever in the cards, then Apple would have announced G5 desktops AND laptops together.
But that doesn't all add up to bad news: a G4 update need not be "minor" or a "bad buy" just because it's not G5.
The G4 laptops are already outstanding. They are due for another speed boost, USB 2.0 etc. to make them that much more perfect. And the MAIN model--the 15"--needs to catch up in other ways.
Those "minor" things alone would make new G4 PowerBooks GREAT machines to buy.
I seriously doubt Apple would say "no G5 PBooks soon" and then ship them around the same time as the desktop G5s! If August-Sept. was ever in the cards, then Apple would have announced G5 desktops AND laptops together.
But that doesn't all add up to bad news: a G4 update need not be "minor" or a "bad buy" just because it's not G5.
The G4 laptops are already outstanding. They are due for another speed boost, USB 2.0 etc. to make them that much more perfect. And the MAIN model--the 15"--needs to catch up in other ways.
Those "minor" things alone would make new G4 PowerBooks GREAT machines to buy.
agentmouthwash
macrumors regular
Yes I agree as well. For Apple to release upgraded G4 powerbooks in Mid September I think it would be extremely embarressing for Apple and disappointing for the consumers.
Would I would like to see?
(1)G5 Powerbook, but we all want that.
(2) $199 5 GB iPod. It makes sense - $299 is too much $ for most people and
not everybody needs 10gb for an Mp3 player. Apple would sell a ton of these and I am sure those 5GB Ipod users will download a ton of itunes music store music.
(3) updated imacs.
(4) updates ibooks with the G4.
(5) a Soundtrack update because mine keeps crashing!!
(6) a Safari update because mine keeps crashing!
(7) Euro itunes -> more $ for Apple.
Yes, it would.
FWIW, I saw an official statement recently where they (MS, Connectix, whatever) said they would be updating VPC soon with G5 support. Sorry, I forget where and when I saw this.
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
Dissipation (current)
p.s. A bit more on power dissipation.
1. If the figures from Oct 2002 were significantly different then IBM would update them. They are trying to sell chips and need accurate information for their customers.
2. The dual G5 dissipates 97 watts at 2 Ghz. So around 48.5 for each G5 which is reasonably close to the October 2002 figures of 42 watts at 1.8 GHz. Thus, the lower speed figures are probably pretty accurate too.
3. The IBM Power4 consumes about 35 watts at 1.2GHz. Given the differences in the chip and manufacturing, the October 2002 figures for the 970 are probably pretty accurate. (from various reading regarding the Power4).
4. There are also considerations of watts/sq. mm, e.g. density.
March 2003:
"Unlike the Itanium2, IBM's PowerPC 970 isn't that different from the chips Apple is already using. Its die size, power dissipation and core voltage are all in line with what Apple would need for 64-bit PowerBooks. "
(http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/21144.html)
And for completeness:
Here is a pic of the 970:
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/ppc970.jpg
p.s. A bit more on power dissipation.
1. If the figures from Oct 2002 were significantly different then IBM would update them. They are trying to sell chips and need accurate information for their customers.
2. The dual G5 dissipates 97 watts at 2 Ghz. So around 48.5 for each G5 which is reasonably close to the October 2002 figures of 42 watts at 1.8 GHz. Thus, the lower speed figures are probably pretty accurate too.
3. The IBM Power4 consumes about 35 watts at 1.2GHz. Given the differences in the chip and manufacturing, the October 2002 figures for the 970 are probably pretty accurate. (from various reading regarding the Power4).
4. There are also considerations of watts/sq. mm, e.g. density.
March 2003:
"Unlike the Itanium2, IBM's PowerPC 970 isn't that different from the chips Apple is already using. Its die size, power dissipation and core voltage are all in line with what Apple would need for 64-bit PowerBooks. "
(http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/21144.html)
And for completeness:
Here is a pic of the 970:
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/ppc970.jpg
G4 Powerbooks will be out by the end of August. I think Paris will see ...
1. Euro iTunes
2. imac updates
No Panther - just a few more teasers.
1. Euro iTunes
2. imac updates
No Panther - just a few more teasers.
jxyama
macrumors 68040
i don't think there'll be a g5 PB for business reasons. g5 PM is hardly shipping and i think apple believes g4 still has some life left in it as a laptop cpu.
putting a g5 in a pb, combined with r&d for mobo/casing/cooling designs would price those laptops very, very expensive. i am not going to argue that it's not possible - it's probably possible - but i don't see much incentive for apple to "rush" g5 into a laptop. a power user would probably be happy for a bit longer using g5 pm at home, g4 15" updated pb on the road...
by the way, the proclamation "not anytime soon" probably means there'll be a few more g4 PB revisions or PM g5 revisions before g5 pb. i'd tend to judge along the product cycle than time scale.
also, i really think the claim "year of laptop" was used by jobs to promote 12/17" and does not indicate some sort of promise to deliver amazing laptops one after another this year. give the announcement was back in jan., it kinda made sense to stick the word "year" in the promotion. and he probably meant more as percentage of sales rather than hardware advancement.
regardless, i hope he introduces 15" update (along with 12/17 bumps) at paris.
putting a g5 in a pb, combined with r&d for mobo/casing/cooling designs would price those laptops very, very expensive. i am not going to argue that it's not possible - it's probably possible - but i don't see much incentive for apple to "rush" g5 into a laptop. a power user would probably be happy for a bit longer using g5 pm at home, g4 15" updated pb on the road...
by the way, the proclamation "not anytime soon" probably means there'll be a few more g4 PB revisions or PM g5 revisions before g5 pb. i'd tend to judge along the product cycle than time scale.
also, i really think the claim "year of laptop" was used by jobs to promote 12/17" and does not indicate some sort of promise to deliver amazing laptops one after another this year. give the announcement was back in jan., it kinda made sense to stick the word "year" in the promotion. and he probably meant more as percentage of sales rather than hardware advancement.
regardless, i hope he introduces 15" update (along with 12/17 bumps) at paris.
Umm, maybe if all you want is a $2000 word processor/web browser.
I work side by side with someone who uses a 867 MHz 15.2" TiBook. We use our laptops to do some pretty heavy lifting in Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10, and Acrobat. My laptop keep ups with his and in some apps, even makes it seem pokey. What's my laptop? A 3-year old 850MHz PIII Vaio running XP pro with 256 RAM. Oh, but I also have the disadvantage of having all those pixels in a 1400 x 1050 display.
Don't get me wrong - I would love to be the proud happy owner of a mac laptop, but c'mon $2000 is A LOT of money to spend on a laptop that isn't that much faster and has lower resolution than my 3yr old machine, even if it is lighter, has better battery life, and looks prettier.
At this point I don't care what is announced in Paris - I just want an updated 15" PB now! I don't care if it's G5 or G4, just bring it up to speed (not directly 🙂 with the 12" and 17"!! It's crazy that the 15" hasn't been updated!
CRAZY I TELL YA!!!!
Why wasn't the 15" Aluminumized 🙂 w/ bluetooth, FW800, APX, 6 months ago? WHY?!
CRAZY I TELL YA!!!!
Why wasn't the 15" Aluminumized 🙂 w/ bluetooth, FW800, APX, 6 months ago? WHY?!