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Steve Jobs Contacted Siri Just Three Weeks After App's Initial Launch, Disliked the Name

Tones2 said:
Even if Siri is TWICE as good in 5 years, it'll still be a toy. But I doubt it's twice as good - The premise is faulty. Doing something yourself is almost always faster than COMMUNICATION to someone / something else and having that communication 100% effective in both interpreting WHAT you want and HOW you want it done and then doing it and verifying that it's correct. Too many words - it's always faster just to ACT. Speaking is inefficient for mechanical things.

Tony
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My point was 20 or 30 years down the road, not 5... And the point about knowledge doubling means something different... It doesn't mean that Siri will be twice as good in 5 years, it means that the sum total of all human knowledge doubles every 5 years (it's actually faster than that in computer science apparently)... Siri 5 years from now will be way better than twice as good as it is now... We'll probably look back and laugh at it as a feeble attempt at doing what modern tech will then be doing... If that's 5 years out, what does 20 or 30 look like?

Steve was amazing because he had the ability to see things for the potential, not just the 1 or 2 year impact but 10 or 20 years... This is how creative change gets done.

I mean, sure, Siri isn't going to change our oil for us in 10 years, but she may be able to allow us to have a fluent, real-time conversation in a foreign language that we don't know... A few breakthroughs like this and the world really does become a lot flatter.
 
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basesloaded190 said:
Than what does?
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Using it consistently and functionally daily over an extended period of time.

Tony

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Jaredly said:
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Uhm I really have an issue with your thinking here. You are basically saying that all electronics are stupid. Every electronic device on the planet works this way. We input something via text all Siri is doing is letting you input something via voice??

My understanding of your reasoning the only way of doing something is a pen and paper. Remember when computing was young? It took a longtime to save something or for a webpage to load. Eventually the computing gets faster and you will see that input something manually will be like hand writing a letter and mailing it.
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Nope - I'm saying that inputing something via VOICE that has to be INTERPRETED and acted upon by something independent of your own mind is not efficient. I'm not talking about voice dictation because that's not was Siri is supposed to be. It has nothing to do with other electronics. Your pen and paper analogy is totally irrelevant. :rolleyes:

Tony
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But that is exactly what a computer does. It takes your input and puts it through a bunch of computing to display exactly what you are typing. You are telling the keypad what you are thinking Siri just adds one more step to this process and in time this step will take milliseconds and won't even be noticed.
 
Origin of Siri's name

Siri Inc., who created the commercial version, was a spin-off of the non-profit research group SRI International. Thus, "SiRI".

SRI International used to be known as the Stanford Research Institute, which was begun at the end of WW-II, and later became independent of the university.
 
Tones2 said:
Using it consistently and functionally daily over an extended period of time.

Tony

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Every journey begins with the first step. Don’t try to look more silly … on the other hand scratch that damage is already done.
 
Tones2 said:
That is such a non-sense unmeaningful statistic ad gives no indication whatsoever that Siri is of any use to anyone or the nature and quantity of times used. :rolleyes: For instance, I certain use Siri about once a month or more simply to show people how inaccurate it is and just to have fun with some of the ridiculous answers and results it presents. :) Plus it's still a relatively new "toy" - ask again in about 6 months and the amount of users will drop dramatically.

Tony
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I don't know if you're serious or not. But I'm gonna reply assuming you are. Using it once or twice a month won't be any troube scaling. Adding on top of the fact that its only for iphone 4s users. Either a small amount of people who use it are using Siri every 5 secs or enough people are using it to give Apple's powerful servers trouble. You make the logical guess to which.

As for "toy", thats subjective to each person. The amount of trouble and time it saves me in my car and home is enough to justify it as more than a "toy" for me.

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Tones2 said:
Even if Siri is TWICE as good in 5 years, it'll still be a toy. But I doubt it's twice as good - The premise is faulty. Doing something yourself is almost always faster than COMMUNICATION to someone / something else and having that communication 100% effective in both interpreting WHAT you want and HOW you want it done and then doing it and verifying that it's correct. Too many words - it's always faster just to ACT. Speaking is inefficient for mechanical things.

Tony
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5 years is a lifetime in tech field. It''s definitely will be more than twice as good. Look back 5 years where we were and look where we are now. Especially since Siri is a software that needs data to be continuously getting better. In 5 years, Apple will collect way more than enough data to get it to interpret words (in context) correct. Obviously, it will never be 100% but enough to make it worthwhile using at home/car/wherever.

Also, I disagree that doing it yourself will always be faster. Example, it's wayy faster for me to say "Send a message to John saying I'll be late" than unlocking screen, clicking msg icon, typing and then pressing send. The only problem is that sometimes Siri won't be able to comprehend the message well or their servers are down. However, that can be fixed upon time.
 
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Network World reports on a keynote speech given in Chicago yesterday by Siri co-founder Dag Kittlaus in which he described some of the early developments that ultimately led to Apple acquiring the company and folding the technology into the iPhone 4S. According to Kittlaus, Steve Jobs personally contacted him just three weeks after Siri launched its iPhone app back in 2010 to set up a meeting that started their relationship.Kittlaus noted that Jobs initially wasn't enamored with the "Siri" name, but under persistent support from Kittlaus and with a failure to come up with an alternative he liked better, Jobs eventually decided to keep the name when the feature launched on the iPhone 4S last October.

Siri's iPhone app launched in February 2010, and Apple acquired the company less than three months later. Kittlaus worked at Apple until last October, when he left to pursue other opportunities and be closer to his family in Chicago.

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I think people who discrediting Siri so soon havent really enjoy the unlocked features it can produce...one of which is Siri Toggles in Cydia. You can tell it turn on 3G, wifi, blutooth, close apps, whole bunch of stuff.....
 
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"Hey you, give me your personal info for my collective."



Just keep in mind the disclosure you agreed to for using Siri.

Siri will upload your personal information.

Upload, capture, store, profile...
They also like to share your personal information gathered for "product improvements" ;)

It's like Apple(Steve) enacted the Patriot Act on Siri users. :D

When you use Siri, the things you say will be recorded and sent to Apple to process your requests. Your device will also send Apple other information, such as your first name and nickname; the names, nicknames, and relationship with you (e.g., “my dad”) of your address book contacts; and song names in your collection (collectively, your “User Data”). All of this data is used to help Siri understand you better and recognize what you say. It is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services.
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http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone4s.pdf.
 
Jaredly said:
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But that is exactly what a computer does. It takes your input and puts it through a bunch of computing to display exactly what you are typing. You are telling the keypad what you are thinking Siri just adds one more step to this process and in time this step will take milliseconds and won't even be noticed.
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Ugh. :rolleyes: If you can't see the SIGNIFICANT difference between dictation and interpretation then I give up. I was doing dictation with my PC like 15 years ago.

Tony

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kalebhoot said:
Also, I disagree that doing it yourself will always be faster. Example, it's wayy faster for me to say "Send a message to John saying I'll be late" than unlocking screen, clicking msg icon, typing and then pressing send.
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Try those actual steps. I just did. From completely start-up initiation to actually getting the message sent correctly, doing it manually was like 2 to 3 times faster for me. Try it - actually TIME from a resting phone in sleep mode to the actual exact time the message is sent.

Tony

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basesloaded190 said:
That could be said about anything on the phone: iPod, Camera, Messages, etc. Just because I don't use each of those every day doesn't mean that they are useless
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I use my iPod, Camera, Messages, etc pretty much daily AND completely functionally. Yeah - that IS what I mean. If I used those things once a month then they wouldn't be worth the effort for me and certainly wouldn't be revolutionary as Siri claims to be.

Tony
 
bawbac said:
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"Hey you, give me your personal info for my collective."



Just keep in mind the disclosure you agreed to for using Siri.

Siri will upload your personal information.

Upload, capture, store, profile...
They also like to share your personal information gathered for "product improvements" ;)

It's like Apple(Steve) enacted the Patriot Act on Siri users. :D



http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone4s.pdf.
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We know it. Get your tinfoil hat on and read what I've have to say next.
Every company does it. The only thing is Apple isn't an ad company so I don't have to worry about my info being sold to marketers or being used to serve me "personalized" ads. Apple can keep my info in order to develop their products better instead of serving me ads. Hell they already have my credit card info. If people are ok with using Google's products knowing Google is in advertisement business, I think they'll be fine with Apple's policies.

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Tones2 said:
Try those actual steps. I just did. From completely start-up initiation to actually getting the message sent correctly, doing it manually was like 2 to 3 times faster for me. Try it - actually TIME from a resting phone in sleep mode to the actual exact time the message is sent.
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I did hence why I said it's faster. 6 secs to 13 secs. So by 50% it's faster for me. How slow do you speak bro?
 
frjonah said:
My point was 20 or 30 years down the road, not 5... And the point about knowledge doubling means something different... It doesn't mean that Siri will be twice as good in 5 years, it means that the sum total of all human knowledge doubles every 5 years (it's actually faster than that in computer science apparently)... Siri 5 years from now will be way better than twice as good as it is now... We'll probably look back and laugh at it as a feeble attempt at doing what modern tech will then be doing... If that's 5 years out, what does 20 or 30 look like?

Steve was amazing because he had the ability to see things for the potential, not just the 1 or 2 year impact but 10 or 20 years... This is how creative change gets done.
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If you think Apple follows through with Siri for 20 or 30 years you have to be insane. :p This is just a short term marketing gimmick to add something to a rather otherwise mundane iPhone 4S update. It becomes a completely unimportant feature after the next few iphone models.

Tony
 
Tones2 said:
This will NEVER work correctly in my lifetime. The things it does will always be easier and quicker and much more accurately to do by other means. Siri is just a toy. Voice dictation does save time but every Android phone also has that.

Tony
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Tones2 said:
Even if Siri is TWICE as good in 5 years, it'll still be a toy. But I doubt it's twice as good - The premise is faulty. Doing something yourself is almost always faster than COMMUNICATION to someone / something else and having that communication 100% effective in both interpreting WHAT you want and HOW you want it done and then doing it and verifying that it's correct. Too many words - it's always faster just to ACT. Speaking is inefficient for mechanical things.

Tony
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You really should avoid the absolutes. :) Siri is more efficient when direct interaction with your device is not possible. It isn't currently intended to be the primary input method.
 
bawbac said:
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"Hey you, give me your personal info for my collective."



Just keep in mind the disclosure you agreed to for using Siri.

Siri will upload your personal information.

Upload, capture, store, profile...
They also like to share your personal information gathered for "product improvements" ;)

It's like Apple(Steve) enacted the Patriot Act on Siri users. :D



http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone4s.pdf.
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But also add this;

"Oh, and one more thing.... If you disable Siri, say due to network busy, and use built-in voice control, all of this stored data is purged. Enabling Siri starts the process from scratch, enjoy!"
 
kalebhoot said:
I did hence why I said it's faster. 6 secs to 13 secs. So by 50% it's faster for me. How slow do you speak bro?
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No way. Either you type really slow or purposely or subconsciously paused during the manual process. Siri takes WAY too long to initiate and validate commands for this to be true. Sorry - I dont believe you. :D

Tony
 
Tones2 said:
If you think Apple follows through with Siri for 20 or 30 years you have to be insane. :p This is just a short term marketing gimmick to add something to a rather otherwise mundane iPhone 4S update. It becomes a completely unimportant feature after the next few iphone models.

Tony
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Short term marketing gimmick? And yet voice control has been a standard feature on mobile phones for a decade.
 
kalebhoot said:
We know it. Get your tinfoil hat on and read what I've have to say next.
Every company does it. The only thing is Apple isn't an ad company so I don't have to worry about my info being sold to marketers or being used to serve me "personalized" ads. Apple can keep my info in order to develop their products better instead of serving me ads. Hell they already have my credit card info. If people are ok with using Google's products knowing Google is in advertisement business, I think they'll be fine with Apple's policies.
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You must only see what you want to see (put on blinders) and overlook the obvious.
This disclosure allows Apple to share your personal info with anyone they desire & use it how ever they wish. I also like your assumption in your last sentence.

By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services.
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Tones2 said:
I use my iPod, Camera, Messages, etc pretty much daily AND completely functionally. Yeah - that IS what I mean. If I used those things once a month then they wouldn't be worth the effort for me and certainly wouldn't be revolutionary as Siri claims to be.
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I don't, but that doesn't mean that there are of no value to me.
 
BaldiMac said:
You really should avoid the absolutes. :) Siri is more efficient when direct interaction with your device is not possible. It isn't currently intended to be the primary input method.
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I agree with the bolded statement, but for many that is hardly ever. And I don't think driving while on a cell for using ANY input device is safe.

Tony

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BaldiMac said:
Short term marketing gimmick? And yet voice control has been a standard feature on mobile phones for a decade.
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Ten what's the p[oint about talking about Siri SPECIFCALLY as if it's revolutionary. You can't have it both ways. That's the "marketing" gimmick. :)

Tony
 
bawbac said:
You must only see what you want to see (put on blinders) and overlook the obvious.
This disclosure allows Apple to share your personal info with anyone they desire & use it how ever they wish. I also like your assumption in your last sentence.
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What are you trying to say? I just agreed that they do track? I am fine with it as are millions of other people. No need to worry about us bro.

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Tones2 said:
I agree with the bolded statement, but for many that is hardly ever. And I don't think driving while on a cell for using ANY input device is safe.

Tony

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Ten what's the p[oint about talking about Siri SPECIFCALLY as if it's revolutionary. You can't have it both ways. That's the "marketing" gimmick. :)

Tony
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because Siri is not voice control? Voice control doesn't do what Siri does. Jesus, it's not rocket science.
 
Tones2 said:
I agree with the bolded statement, but for many that is hardly ever. And I don't think driving while on a cell for using ANY input device is safe.
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Hardly ever? Based on what? And, of course, there are many safe ways to use Siri in the car. It isn't just about making phone calls when you are driving.

Ten what's the point about talking about Siri SPECIFCALLY as if it's revolutionary. You can't have it both ways. That's the "marketing" gimmick. :)
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Because it's a significant improvement in the flexibility and capability of voice control.
 
Tones2 said:
If you think Apple follows through with Siri for 20 or 30 years you have to be insane. :p This is just a short term marketing gimmick to add something to a rather otherwise mundane iPhone 4S update. It becomes a completely unimportant feature after the next few iphone models.

Tony
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I really wish you would give it a rest. We all get it. You don't like Siri. You don't have to keep saying it over and over again.
 
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