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'Steve Jobs' Debuts in Select Theaters as First Full Scene Debuts Online
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holy christ, well technically blah blah blah......
He is using the word stole to emphasize that Steve didn't create it, he just took "stole" it from someone else. Whether there was a deal or not is pointless, because he is not being LITERAL here, the scene is in private among friends, not a deposition hearing.
Its how normal people talk, we exaggerate and swap words for emphasis sometimes... it is a fairly common practice.
if this movie is called Steve Jobs the vampire hunter, then it's just a film, but this is not just a film, this is a film posing as a biography.
And you stole your house, your car, your laptop, your phone because you didn't create it.
Highly doubt that considering Apple didn't approve or give much assistance (if at all) in the production of this movie.
But it could still be good, because it is a MOVIE after all.
I am dying laughing because of your response. Thank you.
I will never see this movie. He was a marketing genius, but a horrible human being. Enough with Steve Jobs already!
Even fewer people know that the license often talked about is just an internet myth, usually combined with sub-myths such as Apple "giving" stock to Xerox.
Apple itself has never claimed such a license existed -- not even when Xerox sued Apple years later.
-- The history:
During 1978-80, Apple was looking for venture capital, and so was trying to attract angel investors by offering pre-IPO stock options. One of the takers was Xerox Development Corporation (XDC), a financial investment branch of Xerox. XDC had an idea that perhaps Apple computers could be sold in Xerox stores sometime in the future (which never happened).
Jobs used the XDC marketing connection to talk his way into a deep demo by PARC, whose managers were against the visit and one (Adele Goldberg) had even warned them that Apple would "steal" the GUI. However, an invitation to a demo is not a license.
Of course, the Xerox engineers that Apple later poached went on to further develop the GUI, but that has nothing to do with whether Apple originally had a license. (Or, heck, whether a license was even needed.)
TL;DR - Neither Xerox nor Apple has ever said that Apple had a license for using Xerox's GUI when they created the Lisa and Mac. Quite the contrary: "Xerox contends that the Lisa and Macintosh software stems from work originally done by Xerox scientists and that it was used by Apple without permission." - 1989 NY Times article when Xerox sued Apple
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I don’t think I’ve had much cause to see things your way before, but THIS!!
How the characeter comes across is just as important as the dialogue. Yes, dialogue is important but we are humans and most of what we take in when talking movies is based around sight, otherwise it may as well be a radio show.
Your point is brilliant. Soon we’ll hear people telling us that we could have a white guy as the lead in a new Roots remake.
That's correct, I legally aquired those things, and when I have people over I tell them that I made them. Hopefully no one ever tries to say I'm "stealing" credit for something that I didn't do....
Again... Since you didn't grasp what I said... I don't think he literally stole it.... but In that scene, it was an exaggeration framed in a certain context to prove a point.
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This post is in response to one slamming another forum member for saying Woz has felt overshadowed by Jobs.
I just watched a few interviews with Wozniac on You Tube . The great thing is that he's still here to tell us what he feels and what his perspective is on things that happened. Unfortunately he can say things now that Jobs will no longer be able to refute or clarify from his perspective or corroborate or apologize for. Fortunately much of what he says about Steve's business failures and ouster from Apple has been corroborated by John Sculley in a classy, dignified and credible manner.
In his interviews the things he does say make it very clear he is upset and frustrated that many people from Apple's early days have not gotten an accurate portrayal in movies or received sufficient press recognition for the parts they played in the success of early Apple products. He stops short of saying Steve Jobs stole all the credit for himself. What he does say is that others stole the credit from where it was rightfully due and gave it to Steve Jobs. That's one of his huge beefs with the Kutcher movie.
What I am happy to see Woz convey is that his own passion for technology and his creations still burns bright. It would be nice to see a movie about Woz and to see it made while he's still here to be his own advocate. I can see some interesting quirks and flaws apparent in his personality that would make for interesting dramatization. And goodness would it be funny to see his stint on Dancing with the Stars and short relationship with Kathy Griffin portrayed in the movie.
It's kind of ironic that the guy who was an asshat has one successful long marriage to his name and the one known as "the nice Steve" has a few failed ones. Maybe Woz isn't all that easy to get along with, either. At any rate, he deserves to be the focus now.
I just watched a few interviews with Wozniac on You Tube . The great thing is that he's still here to tell us what he feels and what his perspective is on things that happened. Unfortunately he can say things now that Jobs will no longer be able to refute or clarify from his perspective or corroborate or apologize for. Fortunately much of what he says about Steve's business failures and ouster from Apple has been corroborated by John Sculley in a classy, dignified and credible manner.
In his interviews the things he does say make it very clear he is upset and frustrated that many people from Apple's early days have not gotten an accurate portrayal in movies or received sufficient press recognition for the parts they played in the success of early Apple products. He stops short of saying Steve Jobs stole all the credit for himself. What he does say is that others stole the credit from where it was rightfully due and gave it to Steve Jobs. That's one of his huge beefs with the Kutcher movie.
What I am happy to see Woz convey is that his own passion for technology and his creations still burns bright. It would be nice to see a movie about Woz and to see it made while he's still here to be his own advocate. I can see some interesting quirks and flaws apparent in his personality that would make for interesting dramatization. And goodness would it be funny to see his stint on Dancing with the Stars and short relationship with Kathy Griffin portrayed in the movie.
It's kind of ironic that the guy who was an asshat has one successful long marriage to his name and the one known as "the nice Steve" has a few failed ones. Maybe Woz isn't all that easy to get along with, either. At any rate, he deserves to be the focus now.
Agreed… ripped my DVD copy into iTunes a couple years ago. Just watched that clip and it didn't especially make me want to see the movie. I was confused at first because it looked more like Woz talking to John Sculley than Steve.
I feel the same way. It's as if the filmmakers told Fassbender not to act like Jobs at all on purpose.
Looks terrible.
We've seen Jobs in rehearsed presentations, casual interviews, documentaries showing him on the job, first hand accounts of his interactions with others.
This seems nothing like him.
We've seen Jobs in rehearsed presentations, casual interviews, documentaries showing him on the job, first hand accounts of his interactions with others.
This seems nothing like him.
First, it's a mosaic. Not a documentary. Second, we don't know if he didn't say this. Also, that's not the point. The point is to convey the message of whole story.
If the Woz said it was good and conveyed the feeling...if he forgot he wasn't looking at Steve Jobs...sounds like the movie is spot on.
What I'd like to see is a spoof. Get Kutcher to reprise the role of Jobs, Rogen again to be Woz, and film Steve and Steve's Adventures in Silicon Valley. Have them get the idea for the first Apple computer while reprising that stoner scene from That 70's Show, only set it in Steve Jobs' garage. Kutcher should have that routine down pat by now. The whole of the movie can then be sort of a ripoff of Wayne's World, where instead of trying to get a cable access show off the ground in their house they get a computer business going. But then these evil corporate types try to ruin the brotherly camaraderie and fun of the business. And they ruin the Steve's fun and the rest of the movie is the boys coming back from that.
Come to think of it...that was the Ashton Kutcher movie already. Alrighty then...I'll just be going back to work now.
That was probably some form of artistic pretension, if I had to take a guess.