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Jobs was generous. Jobs gave his time. So much of it, he even said he agreed to the biography so his children could know him better. Now that is dedication and giving of your self. So much so that he gave up family time so we the public could have the best products/services.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...hy_so_his_children_could_know_him_better.html

I don't think we fully understand that things Jobs personally sacrificed to do what he did at Apple. But when we read the book we will.

Some people give money. Others give their time. Neither is a better or worse giving of yourself. Both are equally important and needed.

Exactly, plus Steve was not motivated by money

Took a $1 a year salary, for 365 lots of 14 hr+ days that is a massive donation of his time

He declined a salary off Disney, gave his time for nothing

He didn't live in a massive house, lived in a nice house on a suburban street but he didn't live on a sprawling 200 acre property with helipad and sealed gates like most celebs and tycoons seem to

His possessions were minimal, I read his bedroom consisted of a bed, a table and a picture of Einstein.
 
It won't sink in for me that he is gone forever till the next big keynote, presumably iPad 3 early next year, knowing there will never be another Steve keynote it will sink in for me then, still feels like a bad dream and someone can pinch me and I wake up and he is really still alive

Yep. It's going to be rough. I suspect the first few minutes of any future PR event will be dominated by one thing, clapping.
 
Yep. It's going to be rough. I suspect the first few minutes of any future PR event will be dominated by one thing, clapping.

Yeah the iPad 3 launch in a few months time they will certainly honour Steve without doubt, hopefully Woz will be in attendance, I doubt it will be a sad black suit and tie affair though more a celebration of Steve's life
 
Continuing on the thraed of the future of the organisation itd br nice to see Apple restart their charitable schemes halted all those years ago, make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise, nice to have their chinese workforce treated at humans and not as $1 an hour, 18 hours a day automatons, to treat thir resellers and dealerships not treated like an annoyance andcallowing them some market freedom rather than existing under a perpetual cosh like some 30's fascist dictatorship..

Thats for starters...
 
Westboro needs to DIAF

I hope Westboro doesn't find his funeral. I hate those idiots.
Not that I'm advocating violence, mind you. But if a wayward 2,000 LB JDAM was to find it's way to 3701 West 12th Street, Topeka, KS on any given SUnday morning, I would be eternally grateful. Dog bless you.
 
Continuing on the thraed of the future of the organisation itd br nice to see Apple restart their charitable schemes halted all those years ago, make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise, nice to have their chinese workforce treated at humans and not as $1 an hour, 18 hours a day automatons, to treat thir resellers and dealerships not treated like an annoyance andcallowing them some market freedom rather than existing under a perpetual cosh like some 30's fascist dictatorship..

Thats for starters...

I don't know why Apple cop all the flak for the treatment of Foxconn workers, Apple is one of dozens of electronics companies that use Foxconn, Sony/Panasonic and many others have contracts with Foxconn but people only ever seem to have a go at Apple in that regard

Out there $1 an hour is not that unreasonable, it would be obscene if it was in New York, Paris or London but it is different out there, no sky high rents and mortgages, no obscenely high fuel prices like in the west, as Foxconn workers live on site they don't need to run cars and don't pay rent on property or mortgages, $1 an hour is not that unreasonable given Foxconn employees are getting free food, free accomodation etc.

Plus if everyone got all moralistic and Foxconn closed down what would happen to the workers ? there is no welfare state out there it is work or starve, the workers would be out on the streets with no money, no accomodation, no food.
 
I respect jobs, but I hope he gives a significant fortune to charity like Bill Gates. Gates already asked him and he refused. It doesn't take billions to take care of your family.

Gates is a generous guy. In the days to come we will find out if Steve is a gregarious or not?

Jobs is not known for charitable contributions and Gates is well known for this.

Who is the better person we have to wait and see?

Why work your ass off all your life only to spend your time giving money to people who don't deserve it? And make no mistake, Bill Gates is not a charitable guy, Melinda is.
 
It isn't fake from our perspective, and it's really insulting to say so. Shame on you. :mad: As for the cult-like perception...:rolleyes: yes, so?

Look, some people have got "it." Whatever "it' is. And it may not be "it" to you--but to others that "it" seems to change their lives if not the world. Maybe this person really did change something important in fact and deserve the veneration, like an Einstein changing physics or an Elvis changing music. Or maybe they were just someone that changed that important thing for certain people, personally. Either way, it's human nature for us to gravitate to such people be they a yoga guru, Princess Diana, a basketball star or a true leader like Martin Luther King, jr. This is what creates cults, no question. But so what? The Beatles had their cult--far more than Steve did--with screaming, weeping fans--didn't mean they didn't make great music or that John Lennon didn't deserve to be lionized or mourned when he died.

If you don't get why anyone would feel this way about this or that person, you don't get it and that's fine. But I know that there is someone in your life, or will be, who you do or will feel the same about. A singer or artist or scientist or leader...or yoga teacher, who may not know you personally, but who speaks to you, has changed your life or just done something that made your life different or better. And if you think about how you feel about that person, and, presuming they're alive, how you'd feel if they died, then you'll understand what we're feeling, and you'll know that it's absolutely genuine.

You don't have to understand. You don't have to sympathize. You don't have to like it or approve of it. But I think you should respect it, if only because you will want others to respect--not mock or insult your genuine feeling when it happens to you. And it will. You're in a glass house there. Don't throw stones.

Couldn't agree more.
 
Incidentally, the Apple //c cost about the same back then as the MacBook Air does today. And like the Mac Book Air, back when I bought it, the Apple //c was Apple's most portable computer (everything but monitor was built in and it had a handle on the back for carrying it). I remember it being $1000. My Mom purchased it on Apple credit plan and my brother and I each paid $40 per month to pay it off over the course of about a year. We learned to develop software on that machine after we outgrew our Atari 400 and its tape drive -- it was a big step up to get the 5.25-inch floppy and the 128K of RAM with 64K "RAM Disk" (early file system cacheing).

I still have my //c, and it still works! Bought it in 1985 for $585 when a computer store in Minneapolis went bust (happened alot back then).
 
Jobs is not known for charitable contributions and Gates is well known for this.

Who is the better person we have to wait and see?

The operative word here is "known". And charity itself is not definitive of who is a better person.
 
Why work your ass off all your life only to spend your time giving money to people who don't deserve it? And make no mistake, Bill Gates is not a charitable guy, Melinda is.


"PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT?". Seriously, don't you think you should reconsider you words here?
 
Where is Steve Jobs being buried? On private property?

Why? You going to go and dig his body up like some sick twisted mad man? I think Steve and his family would rather you never knew where he is laid to rest, it's not very respectful to have thousands visiting a graveyard let alone a grave.
Just pay your respects on the net or at one of the Apple store monuments like everyone else. His family have no doubt had enough to go through over the last few years already.

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Why work your ass off all your life only to spend your time giving money to people who don't deserve it? And make no mistake, Bill Gates is not a charitable guy, Melinda is.

WOW :eek::eek: what an UTTERLY selfish prat you are mate! Does Gates HAVE to quit MS and go and help charity's? NO HE DOES NOT.

Gates could sit on his ass on a private island having 20 year old skimpily clad women massage him and feed him for the rest of his life if he wants. Instead he has chosen to run charity's and invest his money in those charity's and finding cure's for disease like AIDS. So I hope you never catch anything he helps to cure....
 
"PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT?". Seriously, don't you think you should reconsider you words here?

He does have a point, I mean some people can't help their situation like people starving in Africa but no one forces anyone to become an alcoholic or drug addict or gang member or sleep with prostitutes and get HIV, they made their choice in life so I would say those kind of people are undeserving of charity

People who are sexually abused and so on deserve help, kids who have cancer deserve help, drunks, druggies, people who sleep with prostitutes etc made their bed let them lie in it or have their families help them out
 
He does have a point, I mean some people can't help their situation like people starving in Africa but no one forces anyone to become an alcoholic or drug addict or gang member or sleep with prostitutes and get HIV, they made their choice in life so I would say those kind of people are undeserving of charity

People who are sexually abused and so on deserve help, kids who have cancer deserve help, drunks, druggies, people who sleep with prostitutes etc made their bed let them lie in it or have their families help them out


Wow, you're on a tear today. Are there any people you do like? :rolleyes:
 
Wow. Just wow!

He does have a point, I mean some people can't help their situation like people starving in Africa but no one forces anyone to become an alcoholic or drug addict or gang member or sleep with prostitutes and get HIV, they made their choice in life so I would say those kind of people are undeserving of charity

People who are sexually abused and so on deserve help, kids who have cancer deserve help, drunks, druggies, people who sleep with prostitutes etc made their bed let them lie in it or have their families help them out

Earlier you posted that you didn't necessarily hate all of the groups that the Daily Mail hates.

Yet here, you admit that you do hate them. You only left out the gays - was that because you're gay, or did you just forget an insult?
 
Earlier you posted that you didn't necessarily hate all of the groups that the Daily Mail hates.

Yet here, you admit that you do hate them. You only left out the gays - was that because you're gay, or did you just forget an insult?

I would say I am more uncaring towards those sectors as opposed to out and out hate, I just believe in personal responsibility and taking the consequences for bad lifestyle choices, whereas someone who is gay is born gay you can't become gay it is a genetic thing so they haven't made a lifestyle choice they are what god intended.
 
The operative word here is "known". And charity itself is not definitive of who is a better person.

Indeed, Bill Gates used to give a lot privately until Ted Turner called him out. It turned out gates private donations at that point far exceeded Turner's net worth.
 
Continuing on the thraed of the future of the organisation itd br nice to see Apple restart their charitable schemes halted all those years ago, make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise, nice to have their chinese workforce treated at humans and not as $1 an hour, 18 hours a day automatons, to treat thir resellers and dealerships not treated like an annoyance andcallowing them some market freedom rather than existing under a perpetual cosh like some 30's fascist dictatorship..

Thats for starters...

You are saying something very strange here: "make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise" (spelling mistakes are yours). Most people know that Apple has always been one of the companies with the "greenest" products - they just didn't talk about it. Their "PR excercise" (sic) started when Greenpeace produced a damning report (damning in two ways: Damning against Apple, but then damning against Greenpeace when you learned how they produced their report). Greenpeace just collected statements from companies about what they promised to achieve in the future. But as an example of the fallacy, they awarded HP top points for promising to get rid of certain chemicals in their packaging within two years, and none to Apple because they made no such promise. Turned out that Apple didn't make any promises because they had already got rid of those chemicals for quite a while.

I could probably shoot down your other arguments as well if I could be bothered to decipher them.
 
I would say I am more uncaring towards those sectors as opposed to out and out hate, I just believe in personal responsibility and taking the consequences for bad lifestyle choices, whereas someone who is gay is born gay you can't become gay it is a genetic thing so they haven't made a lifestyle choice they are what god intended.

At least you didn't capitalize the word "god"....

And thank you for not considering sexual orientation and gender identity as "lifestyle choices".

Just don't bring the flying spaghetti monster into this.... ;)
 
Maybe Steve Jobs would be aghast with the idea but I think he was famous and widely loved enough to deserve a public memorial event. Here in Australia the media mogul Kerry Packer was honoured with a state funeral and he was nowhere near as popular or in my opinion loved by the masses as much as Steve Jobs. The public is clearly dealing with the grief of having lost someone who was influential, admirable and in some ways controversial, so a public memorial would have been beneficial to all these people and a good way to honour Steve Jobs. Without a public memorial service this week, the next Apple Media event will serve as one if members of the public are in the audience and I think that would seem less dignified, considering that it will be a marketing event.
 
You know....

As I read all the personal stories of what Apple's creations meant to the lives of so many individuals, it actually angers and disgusts me whenever one of the comments like this one, below, pops up in the middle of all of it.

First off, if you want to rectify the human rights situation in China, you need to take that up with the Chinese GOVERNMENT, not Apple computer! It's insanity to pretend that Steve Jobs or anyone at Apple had ANY authority to correct the wage issues over there, or to ensure they're treated "more humanly" than they are today. The factories over there produce all sorts of electronics products. If Apple refused to do any business with them at all, they'd simply sign up with any of a multitude of other companies who wanted to use their services, and nothing would change. If anything, it's arguable that Apple cared more about those workers than any of their competitors ever did (including Dell, who has products running through those same assembly lines regularly, too).

You DO realize that Apple undergoes a lot of hassle doing business in China too, because again, Chinese govt. doesn't care what they think about things like patent or copyright enforcement. These things are ALL bigger issues than a foreign owned/operated company can address just by contracting some work over there!

And don't get me started on "green" products and initiatives. Computer technology is simply NOT "environmentally friendly", period. That's FINE though, because the clear and obvious advantages we have with computing tools at our disposal easily outweigh concerns of the environmental damage their production causes. (Remember those scientists working on those global warming models? Yeah, those were all COMPUTER simulations!) Once again, this SHOULD really be a situation where people making the products include the cost of safe/proper waste treatment and disposal as a cost. In most countries like the U.S.A., we do so. In China, the GOVERNMENT doesn't care -- choosing some cost savings as more important that the lives of their own citizens. That's unfortunate and wrong, but it's the reality of living under their rule as it currently stands -- so yes, they're trashing up their own rivers and cities making this stuff. Oh well ... they'll pay for it later if not today.


Continuing on the thraed of the future of the organisation itd br nice to see Apple restart their charitable schemes halted all those years ago, make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise, nice to have their chinese workforce treated at humans and not as $1 an hour, 18 hours a day automatons, to treat thir resellers and dealerships not treated like an annoyance andcallowing them some market freedom rather than existing under a perpetual cosh like some 30's fascist dictatorship..

Thats for starters...
 
Continuing on the thraed of the future of the organisation itd br nice to see Apple restart their charitable schemes halted all those years ago, make prpoer moves to be greener and not just a token PR excercise, nice to have their chinese workforce treated at humans and not as $1 an hour, 18 hours a day automatons, to treat thir resellers and dealerships not treated like an annoyance andcallowing them some market freedom rather than existing under a perpetual cosh like some 30's fascist dictatorship..

Thats for starters...

Wow, use a thread about the Steve Jobs funeral to babble about what you don't like and what you think should be done..

Give money to charity... Give me a break... Look at the facts of how much of charitable donations go to helping people vs administrative expenses of running the charity itself.

Whether it is $10 or $10 billion, Steve Jobs fortune belongs to his wife and four children and it is none of your business what they do with it.

Further, they shouldn't have to appease anyone with providing an accounting to anyone of what they give to charity.

So Bill Gates wants to tell the world how much he is giving away, that is his personal choice.. It doesn't make him a better person or a worse person.

I can say one thing, Steve Jobs led Apple from the brink and turned it into a company that has thrived and prospered during two recessions. There are close to 50,000 direct Apple employees who have slept at night knowing they have a job to go to in contrast to millions who wonder when their employer will send them packing. Add to the direct employees, all the people with Apple suppliers whose jobs have survived because of Apple purchasing goods and services.

To other readers, sorry to be so course to this socialist when I should have been honoring a true leader.
 
How I feel, too

It won't sink in for me that he is gone forever till the next big keynote, presumably iPad 3 early next year, knowing there will never be another Steve keynote it will sink in for me then, still feels like a bad dream and someone can pinch me and I wake up and he is really still alive

Exactly, I keep thinking this cannot be true, that Steve is not simply still on leave.
The sense of loss, sadness and dread is not leaving me.
 
There should still be a public memorial though, maybe not a memorial service but a national 1 or 2 minute silence around the globe or in the USA and UK or something along those lines or maybe events celebrating Steve's life taking place in Apple stores around the world.

I think people need to keep a sense of perspective. Steve Jobs was a very smart and successful businessman. He did not do what he did based on public interest, he did is based on making money for himself and his company - which is absolutely fine, but I really don't think we should be having national or global (!) silences to celebrate his life. I am sorry for him and his family, but let us not completely lose perspective and let us also not be "grief tourists", taking on grief that is not ours to take on.
 
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