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Right result, wrong reason.

Well said. As an American, I do not believe American citizens should accept titles of nobility, especially from foreign governments.

However, given Apple's long and close history with ARM and its importance to the British electronics industry, I can appreciate why they would want to honor him.
 
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"His iNess, Steve Jobs". I like it!

LOL. That would be a unique title.

There's a queue for that position. One chap's been waiting a long, long time...

Anyway, speaking of rank and digressing a little - If Col. Gadafi's so good, you'd have thought he'd have been promoted to General or something by now?

Since he's a dictator, he could have promoted himself, but he didn't want his ego to get in the way so he was satisfied with being a Col. :D
 
Definitely sounds like something that Gordon Brown would do. Why would Steve jobs speak at a political meeting, as far as I am aware he's a technology entrepreneur not a politician. He has done something for the world, Gordon Brown just messed up our economy even more and helped to destroy our school system and messed up our welfare system. What a petty excuse to block someones nomination.
 
It would not be "Jedi Knight" -- the Jedi Knights are in cahoots with the Droids.

Unless you are considering the "prequel" saga in which case the Jedi Knights are always fighting against the Droids.

Depends on your Star Wars perspective.


I thought the Jedi Knights were allied with the Clone Army to fight against the Droid Army.
 
Weakly-sourced story, hence the question mark.

An alleged off the record statement in a highly partisan paper from a 'former senior Labour MP', not an ex-Cabinet minister... and denied by a spokeswoman for Gordon Brown. Should have been on page two.
 
Although Prescott doesn't come across as well educated at least he was genuine and spoke about his own sentiments, unlike 90% of politicians in the uk and in general who just spew BS all the time.

Are you French by the way? Because I know the french government is far from competent and just like in the uk there are a few corrupt politicians taking advantage of their positions and taking flights with people they shouldn't be connected with.

It cost him nothing to be honest after the event. Also, being honest wrt one specific issue does not make him any less of a hypocrite for accepting a title.

English, living and working in France by the way.
 
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yeah, by stopping using our taxes for anything other then paying the debt off.....

oohhh look at that fancy new air craft carrier we're having built, what a shame it shall be scrapped as soon as it's finished, we can't afford it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yup, because we can't waste money on building aircraft to use it. The money doesn't exist, and rightly so, the current government won't borrow billions to build them. We aren't the superpower we once were, we can't keep dabbling in conflicts that don't concern us.

ALL and I mean ALL the members of parliment are ****s, alway's have been alway's will be, the same goes for US congress, once the power gets to their heads BOOM.... selfishness tends to rule...
Cameraon is doing MANY things his bum chum Clegg is telling him to do, just so he can be the PM.

No comment.

Things you should neve cut back on are: Defence, Education, Health..... and what have they cut back on so far? Oh yeah, Defence, Education, Health...

Where do you suggest cutbacks should have been made? Roads? Not a good idea. 14 years of Labour stopping all but essential road maintenance means our roads need £9 billion to fix them up to a good state. Aid? Yes, as we give billions to India and China, though aid to those countries has been halted. Pointless councilors earning £150k per year when the same job in a private company would be earning them £40k? Maybe we should cut that instead. Exactly what the government is trying to do.

Yeah, and he is also using it as an excuse to privatise and sell off all of our public services. Yipee! :rolleyes:

Nationalising Northern Rock really helped our debt didn't it? The reason the government is selling off public services is to eventually reduce taxes and debt, and to reduce money spent on pointless public service jobs. We're supposed to be a capitalist nation, but Labour's obsession to nationalise everything makes us socialist, with huge debts and high taxes. Most large nationally owned companies have thousands of people working there who don't really do a thing. When those companies are privatised, they loose thousands of jobs, because those jobs aren't really providing anything to the company.

Labour manipulated unemployment figures by creating thousands of public service jobs, even though those jobs really weren't necessary. Total waste of taxpayers money.

Anyway, just more proof that Labour ministers are totally irresponsible and incompetent.
 
Labour manipulated unemployment figures by creating thousands of public service jobs, even though those jobs really weren't necessary. Total waste of taxpayers money.

Absolutely. At its best, Labour reduced overall unemployment by 300,000, but had to create 600,000 public sector jobs to do so. Somewhere the private sector shrinking got glossed over. Britain needs to relearn the lesson that it forgot since the empire that real wealth comes entirely from industry, not retail, banking or employing more racial equality oversight officers in the local council.
 
Yup, because we can't waste money on building aircraft to use it. The money doesn't exist, and rightly so, the current government won't borrow billions to build them. We aren't the superpower we once were, we can't keep dabbling in conflicts that don't concern us.

Anyway, just more proof that Labour ministers are totally irresponsible and incompetent.

Oh dear, you really do have the Tory stick up your back don't you :confused:?

I stoped llistening to you when you post an agreement with spending billions on a brand new aircraft carrier only to scrap it as soon as it's launched is a 'good idea'
I don't think you can get more short sighted? These conflicts that don't concern us are usually conflicts that we have entered because America has asked us to..... They don't concern America either really but I would much rather support them then moan about the reasons they are there.
We can't waste tax payers money on all the developemtn into the Joint Strike Figheter aircraft that WAS going to go on the carrier but we have, because on the Conservatives, NOT labour.

Personally I would much rather have a nuclear defence and a strong force, not sell it down the road on the excuse of the deficit...

And the money doesn't exist!! Please.... If they had a set of balls maybe the MP's would actually make the banks pay for their mistakes instead of bending over backwards and taking it hard from them...
 
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Originally Posted by X38
"Well said. As an American, I do not believe American citizens should accept titles of nobility, especially from foreign governments."

As a US citizen I have no problem with it.



http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."



is not very compatible with:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nobility
no·bil·i·ty (n-bl-t)
n. pl. no·bil·i·ties
1. A class of persons distinguished by high birth or rank and in Great Britain including dukes and duchesses, marquises and marchionesses, earls and countesses, viscounts and viscountesses, and barons and baronesses: "The old English nobility of office made way for the Norman nobility of faith and landed wealth" (Winston S. Churchill).
2. Noble rank or status: Congress may not grant titles of nobility.
[...]
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a socially or politically privileged class whose titles are conferred by descent or by royal decree
[...]
Nobility the body of persons forming the noble class of a country or state—Wilkes.


I respect the desire on the part of the British to bestow honor, but any American citizen should politely decline.
 
Oh dear, you really do have the Tory stick up your back don't you :confused:?

I stoped llistening to you when you post an agreement with spending billions on a brand new aircraft carrier only to scrap it as soon as it's launched is a 'good idea'
I don't think you can get more short sighted? These conflicts that don't concern us are usually conflicts that we have entered because America has asked us to..... They don't concern America either really but I would much rather support them then moan about the reasons they are there.
We can't waste tax payers money on all the developemtn into the Joint Strike Figheter aircraft that WAS going to go on the carrier but we have, because on the Conservatives, NOT labour.

Personally I would much rather have a nuclear defence and a strong force, not sell it down the road on the excuse of the deficit...

And the money doesn't exist!! Please.... If they had a set of balls maybe the MP's would actually make the banks pay for their mistakes instead of bending over backwards and taking it hard from them...

I agree. Despite the fact that Labour are guilty of leaving a massive hole for Britain to dig itself out of, the defence spending cuts just look silly in the current climate.
 
Well said. As an American, I do not believe American citizens should accept titles of nobility, especially from foreign governments.

When given to a non UK Citizen it is not a title of nobility. It is just an award. A non-UK citizen has no right to the title.
 
I agree. Despite the fact that Labour are guilty of leaving a massive hole for Britain to dig itself out of, the defence spending cuts just look silly in the current climate.

Point in case on tonights news again the report that more then 1000 service people are being fired from the Air Force, also the scrapping of 2 Tornado squadron's, this on top on the grounding of the entire Harrier fleet, the scrapping on the Ark Royal and the scraping of the Nimrod... this is all FAR too big a cost just for some deficit.

Just for the record I am NOT a labour supporter. I used to support the Tory's but as the last election was such a joke I chose to vote for some non descript party as I knew whoever got into power would just make things worst.... So now I don't support any of them as they are all as bad as each other.
 
Consider the Source

It is the Telegraph, the resolutely conservative British tab that will go to any lengths to slander Brown and Labour. Did this happen at all? Who knows. I wouldn't bet on it.

Steve Jobs doesn't do anything much in terms of public appearances, and being "the Queen," or "the King" of Apple. He's worked since 1996 to bring his beloved company back to life by being all business. Prime minister, in a way, not figurehead. Being knighted? He wouldn't give a crap.

And the alleged grounds that Brown is supposed to have rejected the idea is suspiciously petty.

Besides, when I was a kid, it was illegal for Americans to accept a title from a foreign monarch. I think American law should have stayed that way.
 
After Brown's "bigot" fiasco that was really the final straw. Funny how he got into power with not a single vote.
 
but Labour's obsession to nationalise everything makes us socialist, with huge debts and high taxes

This is, without doubt, the most amazingly deranged comment I have read on the internet in the past year. Unless you are somehow sending your posts from 1983 I suggest you read up on "new labour". Of all the things you could complain about "nationalisation" is none of them.
 
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