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Yes, thank you Bill Gates for creating the millions of IT jobs necessary to support your crummy software, the opportunity for career specialization in creating websites that display correctly in IE6, and endless possibility in the spyware/malware industries (both creation and removal).

Now if only he'd introduce those moist and chewy computers he's been promising...

You missed the point, as usual. I didn't bring up Bill Gates, btw, but was responding to another clueless fanboi who did.

I completely agree with Mr. Jobs winning the award.
I believe he is America's most successful plutocrat.
 
I don't have a favorite CEO. I'm just wondering why they didn't pick, say, Best CEO of the past 10 years, or 20, or 15, or some number that makes sense. ?

Ummm.....

Jan 1995 - December 2009 (effectively Jan 2010) is 15 years.

This is the Best CEO if the past 15 years.
 
Bill Gates at least was a programmer.

Jobs is a great salesman, and good at choosing people who can innovate, but he's not really a creator himself.

Awkay... mhm.. So anyone who didn't code software or soldered a computer together is not really a creator and therefore unable to innovate? According to this logic, not even a software architect is a creator. Quite an exclusive club of creators you're creating there...


Well, maybe you should brush up your history knowledge a little. BG's programming abilities were very limited, that's why he didn't really do much of it (most famously, his BASIC interpreter). His anecdotal programming achievements can be neglected if you're looking at the size that MS grew into.

It's like saying, Hewlett & Packard built their first computer in a garage, and that's why their company was successful for the next 30 years. As if ANYTHING these guys have done in the following years wasn't like 1000 orders of magnitude more relevant...
 
Yeah right, the old myth. The affordable computer had nothing to with BG. It was an inevitable development of the early 80s. If MS-DOS hadn't been around to get IBM's bid, CP/M would have made it and everything else would have been similar. Most people would probably run OS/2, some Unix, BeOS or even Mac OS now and people would use Lotus SmartSuite or Wordperfect Office.
It's like saying "Facebook and Myspace created the social networking phenomenon". No, they haven't. If they hadn't been around, someone else would.

True.

OS/2 and BeOS were far superior to Windows.

Microsoft effectively killed them off, in addition to obliterating the more refined WordPerfect Office, Lotus SmartSuite, and Netscape.

Undoubtedly his biggest achievement, but, hey, after raking in billions of monopoly money this was kind of the least he could do.
Read this before praying to Lord Gates next time: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2009/11/16/does-the-gates-foundation-need-a-500-million-shrine/

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The $500 Million Shrine of Shame - a reprehensible and deplorable way of allocating (channeling) charitable foundation funds.
 
Bill Gates at least was a programmer.

Jobs is a great salesman, and good at choosing people who can innovate, but he's not really a creator himself.

True, Gates KNEW computing......YESTERDAY....It certainly doesn't show today. He never even demos his own stuff. But at every Macworld that Job's has attended or any Apple event, Jobs at least demos his own stuff, he knows how to operate it. Can't say that about Gates. How many salesman do you know of that know how to operate the stuff they are selling?
 
True, Gates KNEW computing......YESTERDAY....It certainly doesn't show today. He never even demos his own stuff. But at every Macworld that Job's has attended or any Apple event, Jobs at least demos his own stuff, he knows how to operate it. Can't say that about Gates. How many salesman do you know of that know how to operate the stuff they are selling?

One of several memorable occasions in which he accompanies a live demo of W98 .

"Moving right along...."
 
1. There had to be a personal computer industry to begin with. Thank Apple.

Apple didn't create the personal computer industry. Neither the Apple II nor the Mac were mass affordable computers, compared to the others that came along at the same time.

So SJ being one of the main guys behind NeXT know nothin about computers.

He didn't know how to build or program them, no.

Jobs is one of those guys who knows how to find people who know how to do stuff.

Ballmer: The World's Sweatiest CEO
etc

Is there a point to these tired old third grade jokes?

OS/2 and BeOS were far superior to Windows.
Microsoft effectively killed them off, in addition to obliterating the more refined WordPerfect Office, Lotus SmartSuite, and Netscape.

Okay that's better. I agree. Not to mention CP/M and MP/M. Kildall was amazing in comparison to Gates.

Ummm.....
Jan 1995 - December 2009 (effectively Jan 2010) is 15 years.
This is the Best CEO if the past 15 years.

Ha. True, but they didn't call it that. The article is titled:

The Best-Performing CEOs in the World

Awkay... mhm.. So anyone who didn't code software or soldered a computer together is not really a creator and therefore unable to innovate?

Please read posts in context. It was a response to someone claiming that Gates never created anything, while Jobs did.

Well, maybe you should brush up your history knowledge a little. BG's programming abilities were very limited, that's why he didn't really do much of it (most famously, his BASIC interpreter).

I lived the history and spent time in discussions with some of these guys. Gates was pretty infamous for reading over technical specs for new programming and grilling managers on their knowledge.

Friends, I fought Microsoft tooth and nail for many, many years. I even helped create a computer company that was trying to be a competitor, and lost a ton of money in the attempt. That's a lot more effort than most of the anti-MS types here ever went to ;)
 
In the personal computer field only:

Steve Jobs = vision
Bill Gates = copycat

1. I love Apple products.

2. I admire Steve Jobs as a creative force in personal electronics.

3. Anyone who thinks Bill Gates was nothing more than a copycat in this business needs to get their nose out of pro-Apple propaganda literature and widen their reading list a bit.
 
Here is the disagreement:
Steve wanted to invest money into Mac OS to integrate Unix foundation.
Board don't see why people would need make Mac OS unix.

NeXT was under contract to not to compete with Apple, so NeXT can only sell to very small number of customers. In addition, NeXT was ahead of its time technically. Result, OS X is delivered 10 years later after Steve was back at Apple.

As I said, Steve owning pixar resulted in the modern apple. I wrote an article on Pixar on my site.

Yes, I remember those Next machines at school, University of Illinois, because Stephen Wolfram, the numerical analysis professor/researcher, had
us doing assignments with his Mathematica application. I chose to use the Next machines (i.e. grey scale or color) because they had a great UI, huge screens, and they were fast. Now, if Jobs was allowed to be creative and realize his vision, then it would have been very possible to see Mac OS X in early 1990s instead of early 2000s. The Next company Jobs founded was successful because it allowed him to be creative and realize his vision without management, board, and anyone else getting in the way.

Speaking of Mac OS X, I have version 10.0 and 10.1 in boxes about 2 meters from me. Also, I have the original manuals for the OS as well as the Objective-C programming language. It's great looking back at personal computer history. Now, if you want to go a little further back into history, Xerox Parc, the inventors of the GUI, ethernet, mouse pointer, laser printer, Smalltalk, and many other things we use today, you can see how history repeats itself because the management at Xerox Parc thought all this stuff didn't have a business future. I guess they couldn't take 43 of the 50 greatest minds (i.e. their employees) seriously.
 
Is there a point to these tired old third grade jokes?

To what joke are you referring?

Being nominated the World's Sweatiest CEO is by no means a consolation prize - it is, in many respects, a major and highly unique achievement.

Okay that's better. I agree. Not to mention CP/M and MP/M. Kildall was amazing in comparison to Gates.

No doubt, Gary Kildall is the leading exponent for Gates's success - who got royally screwed, especially by both Paterson, who effectively cloned CP/M to create MS-DOS, and IBM, who offered him a losing proposal to offset a potential lawsuit.

Hats off to Gary Kildall.
 
It is perhaps an understatement to say that the return of Steve Jobs to Apple, to be one of the most important moves in corporate history.

Congrats Mr. Jobs!:D
 
1. I love Apple products.

2. I admire Steve Jobs as a creative force in personal electronics.

3. Anyone who thinks Bill Gates was nothing more than a copycat in this business needs to get their nose out of pro-Apple propaganda literature and widen their reading list a bit.

Amen! get on the torrentz and find the nerds documentary (no, not the crappy comedy)
 
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