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Steve Jobs Named World's Best-Performing CEO by Harvard Business Review

kdarling said:
Nevertheless, the iPhone does have a 216 page manual.
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I did not know that. :)
All the ten or so people (half are windows users) that I introduced to iPhone to, never needed one - they all intuitively knew how to do whatever they wanted to do with the phone . That is the sheer beauty of the thing, ain't it.
 
megadon said:
haha.. this must be a joke right?

It's like Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize..
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Steve is an idiot for selling so much of his stake in apple. You have the CEO of oracle ( Larry Ellison) who's market cap is $60 billion less than apple, but he's net worth is almost 6 times bigger.
 
spydr said:
All the ten or so people (half are windows users) that I introduced to iPhone to, never needed one - they all intuitively knew how to do whatever they wanted to do with the phone . That is the sheer beauty of the thing, ain't it.
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The iPhone is easy to learn, but from a UI standpoint a lot of it is not very intuitive per se. People must first be told about or shown many of its most common features.

Swiping to switch main menu pages isn't intuitive, but it's easy to learn.

People still get freaked out when they accidentally leave their finger on an icon too long and they all start to wiggle... there's only one explanation shown the first time you do that, and most people ignore it. Entering or leaving that condition isn't intuitive.

Using two fingers to scroll in a textarea isn't intuitive. Tapping the status bar to go to the top of a web page isn't either... and then it becomes a joke as the user tries to figure out what the missing jump-to-bottom hidden tap is.

Even pinch zooming isn't intuitive... very few people would guess that was available unless they were told about it. Nor is double-clicking to zoom. (Another phone uses a circle-a-section-to-zoom-it gesture which is much more guessable.) But both are easy to use once you know about them.
 
charliehustle said:
Steve is an idiot for selling so much of his stake in apple. You have the CEO of oracle ( Larry Ellison) who's market cap is $60 billion less than apple, but he's net worth is almost 6 times bigger.
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Who cares? You get to a level of wealth and the numbers become irrelevant. $5 billion or $50 billion - what's the difference? Really?
 
kdarling said:
The iPhone is easy to learn, but from a UI standpoint a lot of it is not very intuitive per se.
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My 2-year-old can run my iPhone. He plays the songs he wants, he plays games, he takes pictures. I have not shown him how to do any of this. He has figured it all out (read: intuited) himself.

My father loves his iPhone and he can barely run a VCR.

I'd love to hear your choice of "most intuitive phone on the planet."

I bet my 2-year-old wouldn't be able to accomplish much on your beloved WinMo device.
 
charliehustle said:
Steve is an idiot for selling so much of his stake in apple. You have the CEO of oracle ( Larry Ellison) who's market cap is $60 billion less than apple, but he's net worth is almost 6 times bigger.
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Even Steve Ballmer has a net worth of $11 billion, 2x that of Jobs. Let's not talk about Bill Gates, he of $50 billion net worth.
 
LagunaSol said:
Who cares? You get to a level of wealth and the numbers become irrelevant. $5 billion or $50 billion - what's the difference? Really?
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Just an observation about his business decisions.

For whatever reasons, he's sold off so much of his stake that compared to other people in his position (who have founded large corporations such as Oracle) are doing far better than Steve.

He's obviously a very creative man who has a good vision, but obviously he's not the best businessman, or he would be worth a lot more.
 
charliehustle said:
For whatever reasons, he's sold off so much of his stake that compared to other people in his position (who have founded large corporations such as Oracle) are doing far better than Steve.
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Again, once you're in the billionaire club, no one does "far better" than anyone else. $5 billion, $100 billion, who cares? At that point it's just numbers without any practical meaning.

And as far as doing "far better" goes, I'd consider Jobs to be doing "far better" than Ellison, Gates, etc. based on the immense and very personal impact he's having on the technology world. I'd much rather have Jobs' job with $5 billion in the bank than Ellison's job with $27 billion based on what I was actually accomplishing day to day.

In other words, there's much more to success than just money.
 
LagunaSol said:
My 2-year-old can run my iPhone. He plays the songs he wants, he plays games, he takes pictures.
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Kids are smarter than us :)

I set up a touch XP computer for my daughter when she was two, as an experiment. I removed most icons except for apps and bookmarks.

She quickly learned (without me) what the close and min/max buttons were for, how to launch apps, etc, by playing around with it. She also learned dozens of submenus on kid's websites all by herself.

I have not shown him how to do any of this. He has figured it all out (read: intuited) himself.
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Good for him, but I bet that he did not intuit the things I mentioned. Which is my point: while some options are obvious or easy to figure out, most of the hidden ones are not. They must be taught.

I did not say basic functions weren't intuitive. Read my post again without your fanboy blinders on. I said some major actions are not (and detailed some of them, which you chose to ignore). That's just a UI fact.

I'd love to hear your choice of "most intuitive phone on the planet."
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I'd say it'd be one with simple and easy to find, but explicit, menus for everything. I don't think it exists yet, although I think the Blackberries come closest to having a visible menu for everything.


I bet my 2-year-old wouldn't be able to accomplish much on your beloved WinMo device.
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You might be surprised. But who's talking about WinMo? (Which certainly isn't my favorite.)

I'm talking about any UI that has hidden actions, gestures or menus.
 
LagunaSol said:
Again, once you're in the billionaire club, no one does "far better" than anyone else. $5 billion, $100 billion, who cares? At that point it's just numbers without any practical meaning.

And as far as doing "far better" goes, I'd consider Jobs to be doing "far better" than Ellison, Gates, etc. based on the immense and very personal impact he's having on the technology world. I'd much rather have Jobs' job with $5 billion in the bank than Ellison's job with $27 billion based on what I was actually accomplishing day to day.

In other words, there's much more to success than just money.
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Gates and Ellison have not had a huge impact on technology? :mad::mad:
 
MorphingDragon said:
Gates:

No, its the companies he crushed that did.

Ellison:

Outside of Databases, nah not really.

I still think putting a money value to a person is incredibally shallow.
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ever heard of mergers and accusitions?
You're gonna have a very hard time finding any multi-billion dollar company
That doesn't use mergers and accusitions as a method of growth.
 
LagunaSol said:
My 2-year-old can run my iPhone. He plays the songs he wants, he plays games, he takes pictures. I have not shown him how to do any of this. He has figured it all out (read: intuited) himself.

My father loves his iPhone and he can barely run a VCR.

I'd love to hear your choice of "most intuitive phone on the planet."

I bet my 2-year-old wouldn't be able to accomplish much on your beloved WinMo device.
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Dude he's an ABA (Anything But Apple). If Apple was to donate to every charity in the world to help hungry children, he would still find a negative spin to it.
 
charliehustle said:
ever heard of mergers and accusitions?
You're gonna have a very hard time finding any multi-billion dollar company
That doesn't use mergers and accusitions as a method of growth.
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Wow, youre way off the page.

Mergers, pah try contracts which the only resolution is Microsoft gets rich and company B gets very very poor.

AKA, IBM, Novell..
 
charliehustle said:
umm nope.
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extort |ikˈstôrt|
verb
obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means : he was convicted of trying to extort $1 million from a developer.

derivatives
extort.ing
extort.ion
extort.s

Comes from the Latin extorquere which means 'to twist'.

The only thing I can think of which they did that wasn't extortion was Microsoft Office and the Original PC-DOS/MS-DOS.
 
MorphingDragon said:
extort |ikˈstôrt|
verb
obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means : he was convicted of trying to extort $1 million from a developer.

derivatives
extort.ing
extort.ion
extort.s

Comes from the Latin extorquere which means 'to twist'.

The only thing I can think of which they did that wasn't extortion was Microsoft Office and the Original PC-DOS/MS-DOS.
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get real, you can't make up words like market extortion when talking about corporate finance.

show me some convictions of Microsoft executives for extortion.

And some random employee acting on his own accord will not count because that would not be a strategy handed down from executives.
 
charliehustle said:
show me some convictions of Microsoft executives for extortion.
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Extortion isn't a made up word. ion, ing etc are all modifiers for words. This is basic english.

IE, "We have a notion to sue you."

Notion come from Note - A small idea or thought written or typed on a medium. Note came from Notus - An Idea or "known". Notion is made by removing the e and adding an ion.

An example of Market Extortion conviction is the Microsoft I Explorer vs EU debacle or the Intel Suit. There's never any convictions in America because it isn't illegal in America.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Extortion isn't a made up word. ion, ing etc are all modifiers for words. This is basic english.

IE, "We have a notion to sue you."

Notion come from Note - A small idea or thought written or typed on a medium. Note came from Notus - An Idea or "known". Notion is made by removing the e and adding an ion.

An example of Market Extortion conviction is the Microsoft I Explorer vs EU debacle or the Intel Suit. There's never any convictions in America because it isn't illegal in America.
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let me see if I got this right, you say microsoft does not practice business but they practice "market extortion" instead..
but you say "market extortion" is not illegal in the USA..
good logic.
 
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