You just can't be seriously saying that Apple needs to make an iPhone SDK for WINDOWS can you?I mean really???
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Steve Jobs Offers Explanation About iPhone SDK Changes Restricting Adobe and Other Cross Compilers
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You just can't be seriously saying that Apple needs to make an iPhone SDK for WINDOWS can you?I mean really???
This Whole Adobe thing makes me laugh, Apple are 100% rite to cut off this shortcut to building Iphone apps, the last thing they need is lots of developers hopping onto this method of building Apps so that when apple release new features they have to wait for Adobe to implement them into there software, thats just crazy, its bad for Apple, developers and the end user, one only winner there is Adobe, they would AGAIN have a strangle hold on some one else's product.
and as for Flash developers having to learn a whole new language, im sorry 80 million iphone OS devises in customers hands and they cant be bothered to do some homework to get a cut of that, they must be mad, i say it again 80 Million in customers hands . lets be honest here a mechanic knows how work on any car, wether its a 15k Honda or a 100k Mercedes he can understand how it works, a developer should be the same, yes the code is different but they understand the principles, it should be no problem for any developer worth there salt to move over and adapt.
this whole thing was Adobe trying to shaft apple again, its time the top management at adobe were shown the door and new ones came in and started dialog with apple again, rather than bitch about them not putting flash on there mobile devices find out what they can do to help apple, perhaps embrace new technology rather than rely on bought in cash cows, the only way Adobe can help them selves is by helping Apple, they both sides win.
and as for Flash developers having to learn a whole new language, im sorry 80 million iphone OS devises in customers hands and they cant be bothered to do some homework to get a cut of that, they must be mad, i say it again 80 Million in customers hands . lets be honest here a mechanic knows how work on any car, wether its a 15k Honda or a 100k Mercedes he can understand how it works, a developer should be the same, yes the code is different but they understand the principles, it should be no problem for any developer worth there salt to move over and adapt.
this whole thing was Adobe trying to shaft apple again, its time the top management at adobe were shown the door and new ones came in and started dialog with apple again, rather than bitch about them not putting flash on there mobile devices find out what they can do to help apple, perhaps embrace new technology rather than rely on bought in cash cows, the only way Adobe can help them selves is by helping Apple, they both sides win.
apple is not looking to make friends
apple is apple and they can do whatever they want. if developers or consumers don't approve, then don't buy and support apple. apple is not looking to make friends with anyone. we'll see where this new competition will go with google, adobe, Microsoft, and others in the smart phone market too. it will be exciting!
apple is apple and they can do whatever they want. if developers or consumers don't approve, then don't buy and support apple. apple is not looking to make friends with anyone. we'll see where this new competition will go with google, adobe, Microsoft, and others in the smart phone market too. it will be exciting!
I dont see Jobs going on stage, looking like he got a bucket dumped on his head shouting developers! Developers! Developers! or saying but how is competition is so dead, and then getting it coming back, and kicking him in the jewels.
I don' see Ballmer progressing Microsoft further and getting record highs for annual profit.
Wait, are you just asking about API availability to derail the subject about languages ?
You do know, as a big pro programmer, that APIs and Languages have nothing to do with one or another right ?
Heck, C doesn't know about batteries, power or threads. Those are all dependant upon your runtime and its available APIs. Neither do C++ or Objective-C.
So are we going to discuss the merits of ActionScript, C#, Lua over C, C++ and Objective-C or not ?
So much for trying to have a decent conversation on here.
indeed, internet forums are amazing places.
you can call anybody idiot and nothing will happen
and why exactly Mr. Jobs is idiot?
maybe because he is CEO of one of the biggest company in the world.
(and he is also one of the founders of that company)
or maybe because whoever called him idiot is, how I can put it, mentally unstable?
which I think is more realistic scenario.
And you know this because you've personnally... oh wait, no, you just admitted so yourself.
If you want this to be so much about quality apps, then by god, let the users decide if the apps are quality or not. I've played a lot of Flash games that have been very high quality and have had high levels of complexity. There is nothing inhenrently wrong with Flash itself.
You're just being dense and drinking too much of the kool-aid. Apple doesn't care about any "quality" issues. They care to lock in developers to prevent other platforms from taking off as much as they can.
I would agree with you, up until the last paragraph. Flash on Linux crashes reliably. Flash on Mac OSX causes my computer to grind to a screeching halt.
Yeah, Apple has no interest whatsoever in the quality, usability, or look and feel of apps on any of their platforms. What a maroon.
Flash works fine on mine. Flash worked great on Linux back on my Pentium II, in netscape 4.8...
Seriously, this "Flash grinds my computer to a halt" thing needs to stop. Are you guys still running 486s or something ? I have no problems wasting time on newgrounds. My GF has no problem with her white Macbook playing Farmville all day long.
Two points you dont seem to think are important;
1.) Apple has SOLD 85 million units - that is not the same as having 85 million units in active circulation. I'm sure we all know 'those people' who are on their 4th or 5th iPhone thanks to losing/breaking and upgrading.
2.) Apple can only compete in the price ranges for which it has devices. Right now thats the ~£40 for a 24 month contract with a +£60 buy-in (for the UK). I'm not sure how the numbers total up in the US but certainly in Europe it makes the iPhone one of the most expensive phones ever sold to the mainstream, and the contract is very unfavourable with no offers for existing customers. The average consumer won't want to/can't pay in that price range - thats where Symbian in particular comes in.
Android, Symbian^3 and Windows Phone 7 all look set to reduce apples market share. Infact, in the period of Nov to Feb apple lost 0.1% market share in the US. (I appreciate this is hard to interpret because we're at the end of a product cycle).
Right now only about 45 million people in the US and even fewer in Europe have 'smartphones'. Thats a potential market of 200 million Americans and 400 million Europeans that are going to be looking to upgrade to smartphones in the next 24 months. Thats exactly what analysts are predicting - Gartner have indicated that by 2012 they expect iPhone OS to have 13.7% of the smartphone market share with Android on 14.5% and Symbian on 39%.
If symbian really opens itself up to apps it sheer weight of numbers could really attract the cream of app developers, potential to x4 your profit anyone? - yes please.
If they did, iTunes and Safari on Windows would use the Windows look and feel and wouldn't be slow as molasses.
Oh right, it's only good for 3rd parties working on Apple's OSes, not for Apple's software running on other platforms. Double Standards, I forgot...
The only ones who are a dark purplish red are those who don't think that this is about control, not quality.
If they did, iTunes and Safari on Windows would use the Windows look and feel and wouldn't be slow as molasses.
Oh right, it's only good for 3rd parties working on Apple's OSes, not for Apple's software running on other platforms. Double Standards, I forgot...
I guess so. I guess if Ballmer gave two squirts of piss what his platform's quality, usability, look and feel were worth Apple would have to comply or be left out. But he doesn't so they don't have to.
Comparing the flash of now of the flash of yore is stupid.
http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=71819221
http://www.longtailvideo.com/suppor...520/Linux-64bit-Incompatibility-and-White-Box
I'm running a 2.0GHz Intel Mac Mini ATM. Borrowing it off a friend. My internet experience is literally ruined by flash and all those stupid flash banners.
If they did, iTunes and Safari on Windows would use the Windows look and feel and wouldn't be slow as molasses.
Can I have IE not being so slow and difficult to code for?
You do realize that most of Apple iPod market share is from Windows users. Apple iPod market share skyrocketed when they released iTunes for Windows.
And what fun, Steve jobs is bringning an ad network to his 85 million devices that you can't block. his push for HTML5, while understandable, will just mean HTML5 ads. At least with a plugin you can block it.
At least HTML5 video doesnt bring my computer to a screeching halt. I can understand ads, and why people use them, just not the medium people choose.
So your issue is the content, not the platform.
My last experience with Flash on Linux was on my Dell laptop. It was a Core 2 Duo, 1.83 I think. Ran fine there too, even running Youtube videos in Firefox. This was on Ubuntu 8.04 (I switched to my Macbook a month after 8.10 got released).
People going : "Flash makes my computer overheat and crash!" seem to be exaggerating a bit... My fans come on just playing Sims 2 on the Macbook, I don't go around screaming that OpenGL sucks!
Seriously, all this anti-Flash propaganda needs to stop. It's seriously looking retarded to people who are sitting there wasting time watching Flash movies and playing Flash games and thinking : "what the hell is wrong with my computer, it's not overheating or crashing doing all this...".
And this has what to do exactly with iTunes conformance to Windows look and feel guidelines ? This has what to do with iTunes performance on Windows ? Try not to be a zealot here (you usually aren't). Apple doesn't care about the look and feel of their flagship software on it's most popular platform, I'm supposed to think they care about look and feel of some 3rd party apps on the iPhone ? Please.
Again you say this, yet I'm on Youtube, using the flash player right now and It's not bringing anything to a screeching halt. It didn't back in Linux 2 years ago, or the other few years before that since Youtube began streaming videos...
Seriously, are you sure your mini is not equipped with Intel's latest 386 SX chip or something ?
As I've said before: 85 Million iPhones are estimated to have been sold - but that is not the same as 85 million people walking around right now with an iPhone, bearing in mind that is 85 million units over 3 years. Its a big number right? - not really, in the same 3 year space of time 3.6 billion phones have been manufactured globally. That means iPhones represent ~2% of all phones made in the last 3 years (although this does include Asian and 3rd world markets which have different dynamics).
Some people will have upgraded to a newer iPhone, others will have lost or broken theirs and had it replaced.
We know that there are 45 million smartphone users in the US, and apple has a 25.4% share of the US smartphone market, so simple maths tells us there are 11.43 million iPhones in circulation in the US. Not quite as high as 85 mil