Steve Jobs on Apple, iPods, Lifestyle Brand

[FocusAndEarnIt]

New iPods are on the way?

MORE new iPods?

I think we can see where the attention is at...

I think Apple needs to cool it's jets with the iPod. My gosh. Give us some GOOD updates to the Mac, we need some. Desperatley!

 

[FocusAndEarnIt]

I demand a Mac Media Center (iHome ) for my TV.

I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

[riversky]

Mid 2006 for first Intel Machines is Good

Mainly because who would buy a Intel based Mac without the software. I doubt Microsoft Office, Adobe products, and even Apple's own entire suite of professional products (FinalCut) will be full optimized for the Intel machine by January. Not to mention all the cool programs like Skype and the like....Emulation runs G3 class and doesn't support AltiVec so forget Photoshop on a Intel until it is native.

Software will drive the release or the Intel Macs more than the hardware timeframe.

 

[~Shard~]

they'd better start selling the dual cores soon. otherwise people will not buy them because they rather wait for the intel macs.

there has to be a long enough time gap between the dual core g5's and the expected release of intel macs to justify the purchase of the duals.

intel powermacs will be there early 2007, many people will expect them late 2006 and will decide to wait if the dual core g5's are released only in 2006.

Yes, I agree - Apple needs to release these dual core PMs sooner rather than later for that very reason. Another reason is simply one of $$$ - Apple would need adequate time and adequate sales to recoup their R&D costs for the systems to be profitable and not take a hit as a result.

I think a full year would be acceptable for most people, but anything shorter than that, and as you say, Apple might be pushing their luck with consumers. Let's hope we see these babies sooner rather than later.

And after all this dual core anticipation, wouldn't it just be absolutely hilarious if Apple's next PM update was simply to the infamous 3 GHz G5 that was promised 2 years ago?

 

[Kobushi]

But even if Apple's stereotypical users - young, fashionable and metropolitan - are sympathetic to his personal views, he insists that his politics aren't important to the company's strategy.

I've been a mac user for years as well as my whole family. I have to laugh when I look at them with thought of apple users being young, fashionable, and metropolitan. More like old, crochety, and want a computer that works.

Glad I'm not stereotypical

 

[~Shard~]

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of Macs. The iPod nano is fricken awesome!! w00t w00t iPod nano ROCKS ON!

Agreed!

Mainly because who would buy a Intel based Mac without the software. I doubt Microsoft Office, Adobe products, and even Apple's own entire suite of professional products (FinalCut) will be full optimized for the Intel machine by January. Not to mention all the cool programs like Skype and the like....

Skype is already available for Mac and PC, so I doubt there would be any problems with running it right off the bat on whatever system you might have.

 

[Kobushi]

Yes, I agree - Apple needs to release these dual core PMs sooner rather than later for that very reason. Another reason is simply one of $$$ - Apple would need adequate time and adequate sales to recoup their R&D costs for the systems to be profitable and not take a hit as a result.

I think a full year would be acceptable for most people, but anything shorter than that, and as you say, Apple might be pushing their luck with consumers. Let's hope we see these babies sooner rather than later.

And after all this dual core anticipation, wouldn't it just be absolutely hilarious if Apple's next PM update was simply to the infamous 3 GHz G5 that was promised 2 years ago?

I dunno, it's not like as soon as the Intel models come out, the other's will just disappear because there is a faster one out there. The PowerMac G4's hung around quite a while after the G5's came out. In fact, that's (G4) what we got for my wife simply because it was cheaper and met her needs. There is still money to be made as skeptical and/or stubborn people (see post above regarding my family) slowly take on a new concept.

 

[~Shard~]

I think Apple needs to cool it's jets with the iPod. My gosh. Give us some GOOD updates to the Mac, we need some. Desperatley!

But you know that they're working feverishly on the video iPod despite what Steve might say - you just know it.

As for good updates to the Mac, I think we will indeed see a dual-core PM, which will be a "good" update in my opinion - better than a speed bump to the existing 970 chips. And then, well, I think all the Intel Macs will bw great updates, so in that respect, we just have to be patient. We know they're coming, we just have to wait.

I would rather have Apple focus their energies and hard work on the future of the Mac ( i.e. the Intel machines) and make them amazing, than dividing their efforts and put what is perhaps unnecessary focus on the PPC. Sure Apple, utilize those dual core 970s and the low power ones as well, but don't knock yourself out on it - focus on what matters - the future - Intel.

 

[rdowns]

I think we need something new.

Indeed, Steve Jobs avatars are used by a long time member of the forums. Since 'tars are the primary way members use to identify posters, you might want to consider a different one. (Hope I'm not out of line here with this suggestion)

Congrats n reaching 500 posts and getting one.

 

[~Shard~]

I dunno, it's not like as soon as the Intel models come out, the other's will just disappear because there is a faster one out there. The PowerMac G4's hung around quite a while after the G5's came out. In fact, that's (G4) what we got for my wife simply because it was cheaper and met her needs. There is still money to be made as skeptical and/or stubborn people (see post above regarding my family) slowly take on a new concept.

Absolutely - there will definitely be an overlap, and Apple will not magically cease selling PPC PMs just because the Intel ones are out. Some people will prefer the PPC machines, some will not want a Rev A Intel PM - others, who despise Intel <cough>iGary<cough>, will not buy one regardless! And of course you'll have those who want to grab one as soon as possible! So yes, existence of both flavors of PMs will definitely be the case for a number of reasons.

 

[pubwvj]

When he says 'new things' does he mean completely new products, or expanding ecsiting products with increased funcionality?

Steve is talking about the new µMac (microMacintosh) which is a PDA/tablet/cellphone/2.4GHzphone/WiFi-VOIPphone/GPS/MP3player/mobileHome/backup/etc. It runs the new MacOS Xµ, a slightly limited version of OSX Tiger which runs all basic applications just like the current Macs but of course not power apps like X-Plane/Halo/Photoshop/etc. Just in time for Xmas!

 

[Lacero]

New iPods are on the way?
MORE new iPods?
I think we can see where the attention is at...

Considering iPods are fast approaching almost half of Apple revenue by the end of 2006, I can see why they would want to keep the lead in MP3 and music download sales. Nice to be the monopoly for once.

 

[Kobushi]

Steve is talking about the new µMac (microMacintosh) which is a PDA/tablet/cellphone/2.4GHzphone/WiFi-VOIPphone/GPS/MP3player/mobileHome/backup/etc. It runs the new MacOS Xµ, a slightly limited version of OSX Tiger which runs all basic applications just like the current Macs but of course not power apps like X-Plane/Halo/Photoshop/etc. Just in time for Xmas!

Mac OSX micro? Would that like Mac OS 10^(-6) (aww a wittle kitty)?

 

[~Shard~]

I think we need something new.

Indeed, Steve Jobs avatars are used by a long time member of the forums. Since 'tars are the primary way members use to identify posters, you might want to consider a different one. (Hope I'm not out of line here with this suggestion)

Congrats n reaching 500 posts and getting one.

It wouldn't happen to be someone mentioned in my previous post, would it?

At the end of the day, he can use whatever avatar he wants, but yes, there may be some confusion as a result. For instance, one of the reasons I moved away from my Family Guy 'tars was because so many others were using (and still do!) them, so it was hard to differentiate who was who.

Anyway, back on topic...

 

[50548]

Looooong pipeline...

Well, as someone else said, Apple's pipeline seems really long as far as Macs are concerned...

Where the hell are the dual-dual core PMs? I don't even care about PBs anymore (since they depend on cool chips anyway)...but come on, you can stick whatever you want in PMs with their gigantic cases...Apple, wake up and give us some REAL Pro stuff, something we can drool about again...just like the goo' ol' G3s when they were introduced, which spanked any PCs out there at that time...COME ON!

 

[~Shard~]

Considering iPods are fast approaching almost half of Apple revenue by the end of 2006, I can see why they would want to keep the lead in MP3 and music download sales. Nice to be the monopoly for once.

Absolutely - milk that baby for all it's worth. Extra revenue from iPod sales = more money Apple can spend on R&D and other things, which all benefit us as consumers at the end of the day.

 

[Fabio_gsilva]

Considering iPods are fast approaching almost half of Apple revenue by the end of 2006, I can see why they would want to keep the lead in MP3 and music download sales. Nice to be the monopoly for once.

Yeah... we all see this too. iPod is great, nano is marvelous, but, it will be good to see some great nem Macs one time or another... just to be different...

By the way, what a astonishing beautiful lady in your avatar... congratulations.

Fábio.

 

[Jetson]

I'd be thrilled to upgrade my 2 year old eMac for a dual-core anything. I'd like to enjoy some serious power for a change. A nice surprise would be a dual core 3Ghz iMac or eMac setup. This would tide me over for another couple of years while Apple works out the bugs in it's new Intel based line. Otherwise I'll just live with what I've got for a few more years.

 

[nomad01]

But you know that they're working feverishly on the video iPod despite what Steve might say - you just know it.

Yeah I think we'll be seeing something along these lines very soon. Somebody on here gave very specific info on the nano weeks before the release and he's stating "around Oct 7th" for a new iPod with video. I'm inclined to believe it but time will tell.

As for new Macs, I'm not sure Apple can or want to offer us anything kick ass until the Intel switch. Like Steve says, it's a lull. We just need to bear with them I guess.

 

[~Shard~]

I'd be thrilled to upgrade my 2 year old eMac for a dual-core anything. I'd like to enjoy some serious power for a change. A nice surprise would be a dual core 3Ghz iMac or eMac setup. This would tide me over for another couple of years while Apple works out the bugs in it's new Intel based line. Otherwise I'll just live with what I've got for a few more years.

If anything goes dual-core it will be the PM, as it is the professional machine, and also is due for an upgrade ahead of the iMac. The iMac, as it stands right now, is probably the strongest Apple computer right now in terms of power, features and price. I don't see any serious upgrades to the iMacs for a while, so I would see nothing wrong in just picking one of those up if you're in the market for a nice new system.

 

[~Shard~]

Yeah I think we'll be seeing something along these lines very soon. Somebody on here gave very specific info on the nano weeks before the release and he's stating "around Oct 7th" for a new iPod with video. I'm inclined to believe it but time will tell.

I don't know if they'll have them out that quickly, what with the nano just being released, but that would definitely make for some amazing Xmas sales! Mind you, then the video iPod sales would cannabalize other iPod sales too, including the nano.

For this and (many) other reasons, I don't think we will be seeing a video iPod from Apple until 2006.

 

[shamino]

I must say, I'm pessimistic about Dual Core PowerPC based PowerMacs, for a number of reasons.

For one, Apple’s attention is on Intel based Macs.

But it's a multi-year transition. And Steve did say (at the WWDC conference) that Apple will continue to release PPC-based Mac until that transition is complete.

But most of all, I think a Dual Dual Core PowerPC would outperform an Intel machine! Any thoughts?

Such a machine should perform comparably to PowerMac with four single-core processors. Maybe a little faster (due to tighter integration) maybe a little slower (due to shared caches), but overall comparable.

Any fair comparison to an Intel/AMD system would have to be against dual dual-core systems or against quad single-core systems. 4-CPU motherboards for Intel (Xeon) and AMD (Opteron) processors can be purchased, but they aren't cheap.

 

[shamino]

New iPods are on the way?

MORE new iPods?

Why not? It's not like the iPod developers are also developing Mac hardware. Rapid iPod development is not going to slow down Mac development.

As for what these new iPods might be, I think they should sell one using 80G drives. Either leaving the others in place (20/60/80) or bump the others (maybe 30/80 or 40/80).

This would also open up a gap in the product placement for another mid-range product. Possibly a re-issued mini with a 10G microdrive (these are supposedly coming soon) or a bigger nano with an 8G capacity (these chips are also supposedly coming soon.)

I think we can see where the attention is at...

Strike while the iron's hot. If the world wants iPods, give 'em iPods. That's good business.

There's plenty of time for Mac announcements when the hardware is ready.

 

[SeaFox]

Jobs promises "a lot of new things in the pipeline".

You know, I seem to remember him saying something like this at every keynote, so I don't see what the big deal is.

 

[dirteemac2]

But most of all, I think a Dual Dual Core PowerPC would outperform an Intel machine! Any thoughts?

Considering the fact that ONE single core P4 3.6 ghz is faster than a dual 2 ghz G5, I'd have to say no, a dual dual-core G5 would NOT outperform an Intel machine.