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Or the Xserve. Doubling the capacity of cluster nodes is a really big deal for those who need clusters (supercomputing labs, render farms, etc.)~Shard~ said:
But now everybody expects him to say it. So if he ever forgets, everyone will assume he's run out of ideas and the stock will tank.SeaFox said:
(I would append a smilie to that, but I'm afraid I might be right.)
shamino said:
Yep, asbolutely. The only reason I didn't mention the Xserve initially was due to the fact that they were just recently (although very marginally) upgraded. As a result, I'd see a dual core PM coming first, followed thereafter by a dual core Xserve perhaps at MWSF or in early '06.
lilstewart92 said:I don't see that happening any time soon.
Is that "wink" a responce to mine, or a "wink" to say "you may be getting your wish soon"?
longofest said:
I'm quite convinced that It would be a dual-dual. Just one dual-core chip is probably even slower than two with single cores. It would have slower clock speeds due to thermal reasons.
A combined low-power-dual-core solution would be nice, though...
lexfuzo said:
I've heard the opposite. Theoretically, the new chips will be able to outperform dual-processor systems because the 970MP cores can communicate more efficiently because they are on the same chip (and have cache sharing and other technology). So, you could see a 2.5Ghz 970MP system getting about the same performance with only one chip as a 2.7Ghz dually. Thats an estimate, but you get the idea...
That's why I want to know if Apple will introduce dual-chip dual-core. I believe that Apple will go with dual-dual, but it might be a little too much optimism considering what Apple has done with its pro-line as of late.
dirteemac2 said:
Hell no...a single P4 (or even a Dual Xeon for that matter) is busted by a Dual G5...apart from games/DirectX...this is more than obvious and has been widely demonstrated by many sites.
dirteemac2 said:
Wow... you ARE a newbie. You obviously don't look at too many benchmarks. What performance meters are you looking at? OpenGL, sure. Apple's OpenGL implenentation is horrid, and has been under public scruitiny. But try encoding a 1-hour long DV movie on a P4, and see how long it takes.
A few things:
a) many tasks today like above are parallel-izable (as in, multiple cores means faster performance. NOT the case with hyperthreading all the time. Hyperthreading requires special coding, and does not guarantee simultaneous execution like multiple cores does).
b) Remember that adding 2 more cores to the G5 will make a big difference. It may not get a full 2x the performance gain, but ThinkSecret reports that a user can expect 50-80% gains off of similar configured 970FX systems are not out of the question.
OK, but I doubt that you could clock a dual-core at 2.5GHz. But, let's wait and see.longofest said:
I'm quite sure that there will be dual-dual in the top-model. The lower end of the line will probably be castrated as usual, meaning single-dual or dual-single
Whatever, I'm prepared to being disappointed.
Macaddicttt said:
However, it makes perfect sense for Apple to store a few big new things, and work hard on getting a few big things out the door just before, during, and right after Microsoft releases Vista. No one wants Microsoft to make press and ask "where is Apple?". We want Microsoft to release Vista and have the press go "Yeah, Vista is good, but did you see what Apple just did?!".
If that means a lull in the next year, that's fine by me. As long as it means Apple does its darndest to blast Microsoft when they try and get some good press come next year
~Earendil
What really happens are Apple HQ
Just an ordinary day at Apple HQ...
Apple Engineer#1:"Hey bob, i know we've only been working today for about an hour, but everyone is going to Choch-kee's to get some coffee.. wana come?"
Apple Engineer#2:"I suppose I could. Those new mactels dont need to be ready till about a week before WWDC... eh why not.. we've got plenty of time."
As lights are being turned off and Steve is locking the doors up....
Steve Jobs:" CHOCH-KEE'S IS ON ME TODAY GUYS!!!"
Just an ordinary day at Apple HQ...
Apple Engineer#1:"Hey bob, i know we've only been working today for about an hour, but everyone is going to Choch-kee's to get some coffee.. wana come?"
Apple Engineer#2:"I suppose I could. Those new mactels dont need to be ready till about a week before WWDC... eh why not.. we've got plenty of time."
As lights are being turned off and Steve is locking the doors up....
Steve Jobs:" CHOCH-KEE'S IS ON ME TODAY GUYS!!!"
Intel for Pros is years away
Apple certainly needs to put a lot of effort into the Intel transition and doesn't want to send mixed messages, but pro users won't be able to benefit from the new platform for years. Adobe's Creative Suite is due in January 2007; pro audio will be months after that.
Apple would do well to get some updated pro machines (PowerMac, PowerBook) into the marketplace ASAP. When the public knows about the PPC970MP and the PPC7448 it's even harder to keep flogging old technology at top prices.
At this store PowerBook sales are unusually slow for this time of year and tower sales are almost non-existant. Of course sales overall are unusually slow for September, but we can't get stock of iBooks or 4GB nanos and supplies have been tight for a while on Mac minis and 17" iMacs. It's hard to make sales when you don't have anything to sell.
Apple certainly needs to put a lot of effort into the Intel transition and doesn't want to send mixed messages, but pro users won't be able to benefit from the new platform for years. Adobe's Creative Suite is due in January 2007; pro audio will be months after that.
Apple would do well to get some updated pro machines (PowerMac, PowerBook) into the marketplace ASAP. When the public knows about the PPC970MP and the PPC7448 it's even harder to keep flogging old technology at top prices.
At this store PowerBook sales are unusually slow for this time of year and tower sales are almost non-existant. Of course sales overall are unusually slow for September, but we can't get stock of iBooks or 4GB nanos and supplies have been tight for a while on Mac minis and 17" iMacs. It's hard to make sales when you don't have anything to sell.
Bregalad said:
I totaly understand. Although I could see the PowerBooks getting updated to Intel before the PowerMacs, thanks to Merom, the fact is that it is still a ways in the future before we see Intel iterations of these machines. In the interim, Apple needs to refresh the PowerMac and PowerBook line with new 970s as you indicated, not their existing G5 and G4 offerings. Even if those updated PPC PowerMacs and PowerBooks are only out for a year until the Intel versions come along, this is still a necessity in my mind. Bring on the 7448 PowerBooks and the 970MP PowerMacs!
HA! Maybe if you're a gamer. The G5 spanks the P4 otherwise. A dual dual-core would beat a top of the line Xeon, and maybe even give the Opteron a run for it's money.dirteemac2 said:
But whatever, I want my PowerMac. G5, P4, dual core... I just want one that's fast and less than $2000. I have until Nov, then I'll have to buy a refurb if nothing new is out. Which of course means they come out with the new ones in Jan. that are twice as fast and half as much. Anyone else think they had originally planned on having new PowerMac and/or 'Books for MW, but there were some problems last minute, so they cancelled the keynote? Maybe even had the special event early instead?
Nice article. Little new information though. I see news on new stuff slowly drifting away as the holidays approach. The nano seems to be Apple's main focus right now. Nothing bad for them, but what about everybody who was expecting updated PowerBooks? I think the updated PowerMacs were a long shot, as we just saw updated PowerMacs about 4 or 5 months ago. The PowerBooks are in much need of getting an 8x or 16x dual layer burner, 128 MB standard video memory, maybe a higher resolution display (most unlikely) and any increase in processor speed.
I think the updated PowerMacs were a long shot, as we just saw updated PowerMacs about 4 or 5 months ago. The PowerBooks are in much need of getting an 8x or 16x dual layer burner, 128 MB standard video memory, maybe a higher resolution display (most unlikely) and any increase in processor speed.Switch to Intel
I fully understand why Steve felt the need to switch to Intel.
The G5 seems to have no future as a small footprint. Mobile and mini users will benefit greatly from the switch to Intel.
For power users (with a big box to house these heat monsters) the benefit is less clear. I think the G5 (and G6!) could easily kept pace with Intel, even out paced!
And thats my point. Apple is reluctant to introduce the dual dual-core G5 that will probably outperform (at least in some areas) its new Intel Macs. I hope Im wrong.
IBM announced the availability of dual-core G5s months ago. When was last time Apples chip provider announced the availability (availability, not development) of its new chip before Apple?
I fully understand why Steve felt the need to switch to Intel.
The G5 seems to have no future as a small footprint. Mobile and mini users will benefit greatly from the switch to Intel.
For power users (with a big box to house these heat monsters) the benefit is less clear. I think the G5 (and G6!) could easily kept pace with Intel, even out paced!
And thats my point. Apple is reluctant to introduce the dual dual-core G5 that will probably outperform (at least in some areas) its new Intel Macs. I hope Im wrong.
IBM announced the availability of dual-core G5s months ago. When was last time Apples chip provider announced the availability (availability, not development) of its new chip before Apple?
~Shard~ said:
Yeah you could be right. Maybe the October date is just for a new ipod revision... bigger hard drives maybe. Like I said, time will tell.
I'm a bit of a sucker for iPods but my 60GB is enough space for the foreseeable future so I won't get too excited.
there will be dual dual Intels as well....
...and dual quad Intels, and dual octo IntelscommandZ said:
nomad01 said:Yeah you could be right. Maybe the October date is just for a new ipod revision... bigger hard drives maybe. Like I said, time will tell.
I'm a bit of a sucker for iPods but my 60GB is enough space for the foreseeable future so I won't get too excited.
I should hope that's enough space for you - that's bigger than some people's hard drives!
~Shard~ said:I should hope that's enough space for you - that's bigger than some people's hard drives!
Heh heh... and who'd have thought there were THAT many showtunes??!