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I suggest we all throw our Firewire gear that we won't be able to use anymore at the person who suggested they should remove Firewire

Is that the same guy who made sure that under OS X, the only SCSI devices that would work were external Hard Drives, and not any other SCSI peripherals?


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Is that the same guy who made sure that under OS X, the only SCSI devices that would work were external Hard Drives, and not any other SCSI peripherals?


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What are you talking about? I use a SCSI LTO drive with my Cube via a FireWire/UltraSCSI converter.
 
What are you talking about? I use a SCSI LTO drive with my Cube via a FireWire/UltraSCSI converter.

My apologies - I should have said 'storage devices' instead of Hard Drives, as my external CD burner continued to work too. My frustration was that I had a flatbed scanner and a Nikon Coolscan 35mm slide scanner taken out. It didn't help that the 'new' USB2 flatbed was slower I/O than the SCSI one.


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My apologies - I should have said 'storage devices' instead of Hard Drives, as my external CD burner continued to work too. My frustration was that I had a flatbed scanner and a Nikon Coolscan 35mm slide scanner taken out. It didn't help that the 'new' USB2 flatbed was slower I/O than the SCSI one.

I don't understand - why didn't they work? Are there drivers not present in OS X that were available in Classic OS? That would make sense but it might not be Apple's fault, if the drivers were supplied by the device vendor.
 
I don't understand - why didn't they work?

FWIW, I don't recall the specifics anymore.

Are there drivers not present in OS X that were available in Classic OS? That would make sense but it might not be Apple's fault, if the drivers were supplied by the device vendor.

Stuff that worked in OS 9 running native didn't work when you moved to a PPC Mac running in Classic under OS X. My recollection of it all is increasingly vague, but my recollection of it essentially was effectively because SCSI was killed and only minimal support for storage devices was allowed.

Want to buy a lightly used Coolscan LS-1000? SCSI only, and a FW-SCSI bridge doesn't solve the Mac incompatibility problem. I still have it, along with a Mac 8600 for when I really want to do a full-rez slide scan.


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Stuff that worked in OS 9 running native didn't work when you moved to a PPC Mac running in Classic under OS X.

I'm not sure what you mean by "stuff," but I believe that relatively few applications broke. Of course if they tried to control the hardware directly they would have problems, but some apps are supposed to work even better under Classic mode that they did on the old systems (because the OS is more efficient and bulletproof). I have a 1986 copy of MacPaint that actually runs after a fashion under Tiger on my PM G4.

My recollection of it all is increasingly vague, but my recollection of it essentially was effectively because SCSI was killed and only minimal support for storage devices was allowed.

A lot of SCSI cards stopped working because there were no OS X drivers for them. But ATTO, for example, makes SCSI cards specifically for OS X. I would expect those cards to support any SCSI device unless the device itself required a separate driver not available from the vendor. Certainly Apple supplies a SCSI storage driver in OS X, which may be the reason for your impression that only storage is supported. But it's not Apple's responsibility to supply drivers for other third-party devices.
 
Isn't it about time we asked for this thread to be combined with the 'Mac Mini is Dead' thread?

and we can all beat 2 dead horses instead of one... for the price of one visit.

Complain to Apple on their product feedback page.

Meanwhile, is this thread in the running for some kind of 'biggest beef with Apple' award?
 
Isn't it about time we asked for this thread to be combined with the 'Mac Mini is Dead' thread?

and we can all beat 2 dead horses instead of one... for the price of one visit.

Complain to Apple on their product feedback page.

Meanwhile, is this thread in the running for some kind of 'biggest beef with Apple' award?

Do you have a point to make or was this simply a passive-aggressive way to tell people to shut up?
 
Isn't it about time we asked for this thread to be combined with the 'Mac Mini is Dead' thread?

and we can all beat 2 dead horses instead of one... for the price of one visit.

Complain to Apple on their product feedback page.

Meanwhile, is this thread in the running for some kind of 'biggest beef with Apple' award?

Shouldn't you be directing your frustration at the person who is forcing you to read these threads?
 
Isn't it about time we asked for this thread to be combined with the 'Mac Mini is Dead' thread?

and we can all beat 2 dead horses instead of one... for the price of one visit.

Complain to Apple on their product feedback page.

Meanwhile, is this thread in the running for some kind of 'biggest beef with Apple' award?

We need this thread so that we don't take our frustration out on our wives.
 
Want to buy a lightly used Coolscan LS-1000? SCSI only, and a FW-SCSI bridge doesn't solve the Mac incompatibility problem. I still have it, along with a Mac 8600 for when I really want to do a full-rez slide scan.

A friend gave me his old LS-2000 because it wouldn't run on his new G5 tower.
I also got his old G3 B&W tower, replete with Nikon Scan software running on OS 8.6.

I don't scan all that often, but this stuff is sure nice to have when the need arises. :cool:

Back to the lack of firewire on the MacBooks, a friend of a friend of a friend
confirmed that Apple will be quietly re-introducing FireWire in the near future.

You heard it here first! ;)
 
A friend gave me his old LS-2000 because it wouldn't run on his new G5 tower.
I also got his old G3 B&W tower, replete with Nikon Scan software running on OS 8.6.

I don't scan all that often, but this stuff is sure nice to have when the need arises. :cool:

Back to the lack of firewire on the MacBooks, a friend of a friend of a friend
confirmed that Apple will be quietly re-introducing FireWire in the near future.

You heard it here first! ;)
This is sarcasm isn't it?
 
Don't read like sarcasm. Be nice if true...I'd like to think my emails to apple of how could you be so stupid I'll never buy another apple product again had a little to do with it.
 
I need to edit my mini dv's in the new i movie

I mad. no firewire. Trying to use front page. Takes a long time to render on a g-5. Want to save it as a quicktime and burn a disk, then convert on the new macbook I just bought. Pain in butt!!!
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Huh?

I mad. no firewire. Trying to use front page. Takes a long time to render on a g-5. Want to save it as a quicktime and burn a disk, then convert on the new macbook I just bought. Pain in butt!!!
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're using front page to do what?
 
conversion of mini dv tapes for use imovie on the new macboook

You're using front page to do what?

TD
This is what the applestore where I bought my new macbook told me to do.
1. buy a new video camera. (my Sony Mini DV is only 2 yrs old)
2. buy a $200 converter. (which may be good choice at this point)
or 3. Take my mini vd tapes,put them on a G-5 (which I have access to in a school), use a camera run them in real time to render. save this either as data or as a quicktime, burn a disc and run in the new macbook using the new imovie. I saw them do it in the store with 30 seconds of tapes so it didn't take long to render. On the g5 it takes hours of rendering a 60 minute video of 2 high school basketball games stopping and starting over the whole tape.
jj
 
3. Take my mini vd tapes,put them on a G-5 (which I have access to in a school), use a camera run them in real time to render. save this either as data or as a quicktime, burn a disc and run in the new macbook using the new imovie. I saw them do it in the store with 30 seconds of tapes so it didn't take long to render. On the g5 it takes hours of rendering a 60 minute video of 2 high school basketball games stopping and starting over the whole tape.

I'm not sure what you mean by render. If you have access to an external USB drive, one quick way to transfer a few tapes is:

1. Capture from the tape to the G5 Mac (put tape in camera, attach camera via firewire to G5, and play tape on camera, while capturing in iMovie on the G5)

2. When the tape is finished, Save your iMovie Project on the USB external drive.

3. Connect the USB external to your MacBook. Open file in iMovie.

Problem sorted. If you don't have a cheap USB external drive, 500GB or so, I strongly advise you to get one for running your Time Machine backups. You'll be thankful when your macbook breaks down or is stolen.
 
yeah, right...

TD
This is what the applestore where I bought my new macbook told me to do.
1. buy a new video camera. (my Sony Mini DV is only 2 yrs old)
2. buy a $200 converter. (which may be good choice at this point)
or 3. Take my mini vd tapes,put them on a G-5 (which I have access to in a school), use a camera run them in real time to render. save this either as data or as a quicktime, burn a disc and run in the new macbook using the new imovie. I saw them do it in the store with 30 seconds of tapes so it didn't take long to render. On the g5 it takes hours of rendering a 60 minute video of 2 high school basketball games stopping and starting over the whole tape.
jj

Sorry, but that really is quite absurd (buy a new video camera and converter box?!!!). Having to do all that just to work on video is precisely why all the people on this thread are so pissed off at Apple.

A FW port would have cost them, what, $10 USD per computer (probably less). Instead, Apple take it out of the MacBook, now we have to shell out hundreds of dollars to either buy a bigger and heavier MacBook Pro, or else all of that other equipment to be able to convert the video onto a new MacBook without FireWire!

It really is quite absurd and downright frustrating.
 
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