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So he thinks it is OK to expect people to throw away their perfectly fine FireWire camcorders and spend money on a USB 2 one for no advantage of theirs, in this economy?

I generally agree with Steve on this one. Most people are throwing their old DV camcorders away and replacing them HD models anyways, to take advantage of the huge boom in HDTVs.

Many of the new HD camcorders record directly to memory card, and that is the direction the industry is moving for consumer camcorders. It makes it easier to import and share:
  • Drag and drop from the memory card
  • Directly upload to YouTube, Vimeo, etc.
  • Directly drag files to email
  • No need to import and re-encode
  • Many cameras also support basic, lossless, editing in camera
Examples are models from Aiptek, Sanyo (HD700/800, HD1000/HD1010), and Sony TG1 on the high end.
 
I'm calling BS on this one

Steve need a new video adviser because he is dead wrong about this. If he's referring to tapeless acquisition cameras then he's right, but those aren't the only HD cameras on the market.

Also, what about external storage?

Booo Apple. I'm slowly getting tired of them.
 
sad apple.

what a lame excuse. I wonder what would happen if they said the real reason behind this move?

BTW: USB2 on both my powermacG5 and macbook pro are slow as hell! (6/12MB/s, not kidding)
I use firewire just because of that!
 
The Lack Of Firewire 800 Is The Only Thing Keeping Me From A New Macbook, The Single Only Thing

Why Apple Why!?!?

Same here.

If firewire is almost obsolete, as Jobs is implying, then why is it still in the MBP. No, the real reason is that Apple wants to force many ordinary users up to the MBP. Well I for one am not biting this time. **** you, Jobs.

BTW, I'm angry ;). I was waiting, willing and eager (nay, desperate) to give Apple some of my money and they've managed to talk me out of it!
 
I don't get what the big deal is. If you need Firewire, just buy the white MacBook. It's even cheaper than any other option. Or just buy a USB to Firewire adapter.

There is no USB to firewire adapter! They are different chipsets. The only one that seems to exist (and no one knows how it works) is Windows XP only. It comes with a chip in the cable, it's $119 and it uses proprietary software to capture and edit. You can't edit the captured video in a program like FCE or FCP.
 
A friend of mine recently purchased a Dell laptop so he could run Excel - he needs VBA. It had a glossy screen, and after trying it for a few days, has given up in disgust, finding it unable to be used except in cases of highly indirect light.

We went out last night looking for a machine with a matte screen. The only ones we found were last-model MacBook Pros.

So I'm not sure there's anything Apple can do about this, it appears all LCD's now come with glossy screens. True for desktop monitors as well.

Maury

i found that the glare on the new Glassbook and Glassbook pro isn't as bad as it is on my lenovo glossy screen. also there will be soon a range of anti glare sprays or foils that should make the Glassbooks ok for consumers. So as a consumer I'm not too worried. Pro's on the other hand will have to hope for apple to come up with a different glass panel. Maybe there will be a third party solution where you exchange the glass screen. will be expensive though.....
 
I think Apple's customers deserve to know why such a simple port was left out of their most popular and best-selling notebook computer. Firewire is not a pro option, I'm sorry. Maybe Apple's next entry is into the video camera business with USB2 connector only (cable sold separately).

btw - glass can be made to be clear without being glossy...

Glass is clear?:eek:
 
A friend of mine recently purchased a Dell laptop so he could run Excel - he needs VBA. It had a glossy screen, and after trying it for a few days, has given up in disgust, finding it unable to be used except in cases of highly indirect light.

We went out last night looking for a machine with a matte screen. The only ones we found were last-model MacBook Pros.

So I'm not sure there's anything Apple can do about this, it appears all LCD's now come with glossy screens. True for desktop monitors as well.

Maury

Or just pick up a $20 screen protector which adds a matte finish.
 
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Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but Apple isn't forcing anyone to buy the shiny new Aluminum MacBook. If you need firewire that badly, there's still the $999 version which supports firewire. If you simply have to have and can't live without the new aluminum look, then there's the MacBook Pro. Seems quite simple.

But then again, it's more fun to complain, I guess...
 
i found that the glare on the new Glassbook and Glassbook pro isn't as bad as it is on my lenovo glossy screen

I've heard this too... from a Best Buy salesman who suggested we go to the Apple store and get one!

Maury
 
I'm pretty sure they did this so that there is now a distinct reason to get the MacBookPro over the MacBook. If it wasn't for that, I would seriously be thinking about getting a MacBook instead. I'm sure this will help the "Pro Users" decide to stay with the higher end models.

spot on!
indeed this is the reason.
 
Have to agree, this is a bad move. What about people (like me) who occasionally use firewire to capture video from their cable DVR to .ts files? What about the fact that USB2 uses a lot more resources than firewire and is less stable? Why not start adding eSATA connections if you're looking to the future and leaving folks behind? Shows a lack of sensitivity to the customer base if you ask me.
 
So he thinks it is OK to expect people to throw away their perfectly fine FireWire camcorders and spend money on a USB 2 one for no advantage of theirs, in this economy?

I call that being out of touch. Not a good sign at all.


I don't think your expected to throw it away. Doesn't your existing system still work?
 
I have a Sony HD camcorder that I purchased in February. It has Firewire and HDMI, but no USB2. I read the entire manual and the specifications. So, SJ is wrong when he says all HD camcorders in the last couple of years have USB2.
 
Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but Apple isn't forcing anyone to buy the shiny new Aluminum MacBook. If you need firewire that badly, there's still the $999 version which supports firewire. If you simply have to have and can't live without the new aluminum look, then there's the MacBook Pro. Seems quite simple.

But then again, it's more fun to complain, I guess...

We don't update our equipment to old tech. The MBP is too big for location work. And Apple refuse to make a small form MBP.
 
I guess if you want legacy -- buy a pc. I actually like the fact that Apple doesn't give a flying f for the past.
 
How much money could they have saved by excluding the FW 400 port? Couldn't have been much. That's why I believe this was a way to force an upsell to the MBP vs. the MB. The gap between the two is now more narrow than ever (save the FW issue).
 
Also - Final Cut Pro does NOT use the internal Hard disk well for video and USB 2 is terrible for video and will drop frames - Firewire is the only way to go.

People who generally buy Macbooks ($999-$1600) do not typically spend $1299 on the Final Cut PRO software. If you're a home user, Apple is clearly steering you towards the low end software, iMovie or FCE.
 
You know, this is funny because if what Steve says is true, he's kinda right.

I mean, yeah I have a camcorder that's using firewire and it's a big downside for me.

But for someone that is able to pay this much for a recent laptop, he should be able to pay for a nice, recent camcorder as well. I mean, you can see that someone with a bad laptop has generally bad hardware in the house in general.

Of course, this case applies to like 40% of the people, I know that the other 60% could have firewire cameras, like me. But I was really looking at buying a 1080p cam recently.

Anyway, I might keep my iMac, and if I end up selling it because I'm always on my laptop because of its performance, I'll use the other iMac we have here.
 
HD workaround?

This may be a crazy-A$$ idea, and if so, don't hesitate to shoot it down:eek:, but...

Would it be possible to import video this way:
1) Connect your MB via USB to a hard drive that has both a USB and a FW port.
2) Connect your video camera to the HD via FW.
3) Mount everything.
4) Suck in the video over this ragtag net using iMovie.

Not elegant, but possible?:confused:
 
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