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Apple did kill Shake, perhaps it's most 'pro' software product.

Still not happy about that. :( It was the best compositing app for it's time and would've been great if they could've kept it going.

Perhaps it wasn't selling enough G5/Mac Pros, or wasn't worth the R&D. :confused:
 
Apple did abandon the Pro market by removing, from the iMac and Cinema Displays, any option of a matte, anti-glare screen.

If you search Google for MacMatte, you can see a screen print of an email from Steve Jobs where he thumbs his nose at a request for matte screens.
 
I'm very glad it didn't happen and think it would have been a bad move on Apple's part. I believe Apple's pro products have more value to Apple than their immediate ROI and Steve might have lost sight of this.

On other news, can't wait for my new Mac Pro!

I think you hit it: the "pro" segment is not just a purely economic proposition; it's about showing you have serious chops. It gives new users something to aspire to. It's more than the I have the latest iPad, it's something like: not only am I cool and good looking, I'm smart and can actually do something beyond email, twitter, Facebook and angree byrdz. If apple only wants to make Kewl toasterz, they will lose street cred. They are starting to lose it now. When the process completes itself, the whole house of cards and snake oil mfg plant will collapse. The apple OS is so much better than windoze, it's not even funny any more, but if its all dressed up with no place to go, it's going to crumble. FinalCut was a killer app, now it's a joke. And Premiere sucks and the rent to rent licensing ststem sux even worse. It's so bad people are even going back into the maw of Avid. Real Unix, anyone?

Blamblam
 
Not really. I use the internal HD's of Mac Pro only for booting and applications, which I'll continue to do so with the new one. For me any disk which has documents in it has to be external since 2007 or so anyway. So nothing changes. Although I'm thinking of buying a thunderbolt RAID enclosure with 5 HD's when I buy the new one and get rid of several cables at least.

^ maybe stay open to the possibility that wifi will be able to get rid of several cables as well..
if this new wifi is moderately close to what they're claiming it could be, that's plenty to do 90% of typical day-to-day data moving operations between drives and/or laptops.
 
My point still stands though. All reports were that the Mac Pro sales were at unsustainably low levels. Making the case smaller is unlikely to change that.

But a clever redesign that has reduced the case component numbers dramatically, and therefore had an effect on production costs, possibly making it viable to put lower end components in the base model. And then testing, support infrastructure and R&D costs are spread across more sales in a virtuous circle.

Have you been looking at Desktop sales in general, much less all PC sales? Even Macs have been declining. Why would Apple spend the R&D to put cheaper components from an iMac or MacBook Pro into a desktop besides a mini and further increase the product line of a shrinking volume product?

Because we Mac nerds want a tower Mac cheaper than the Mac Pro? It doesn't make any financial sense catering to a niche in a receding market. If someone wants a tower, which is becoming more of a specialized product, you have to pay a specialized price.
 
It's not just about adding other PCIe cards but upgrading the computer's existing GPU. If the GPU is stuck in there, you need a new computer just for a new GPU! On my 2008 Mac Pro, I was able to bring the GPU up to 2013 standards simply by swapping the cards.

Good point... but the GPU still falls under PCIe expansion.

There are some Mac Pro owners who have never performed a GPU upgrade.

Maybe keep your fingers crossed for replaceable GPUs on the new Mac Pro. They still haven't said too much about it. "Coming Later This Year" can't come soon enough :)

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I think that is ridiculous. We demand quality (not having to buy a new PC every freakin' year) and only Apple has provided. Not only is it better looking and better working, it's price per year of functionality is way lower than any cheap PC crap.

You are kidding right? You get better spec PC for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price. And you get to decide what will be inside. And how can Mac be better when they use the same damn components (intel processor)? You are delusional. Did you ever open up apple imac or macbook? Look at ram....its the dirt cheap ass china product. Where do you thing Apple gets profit? For selling as low quality components at premium price.

Maybe you really like your 5400 HDD on 2013 iMac? That is nice....maybe for 2007, but not 2013.

Wow some are so delusional.
 
Then don't compare it to cheap PC crap. Compare it with what you can get for the same $ and you'll find that the productivity/longevity on Windows/PCs is roughly the same. Then again, if you take hardware obsoleted by an OS as a negative, then Windows wins hands-down. I've had Thinkpads and Macbooks through the years, and I've had long runs and short runs with each product. On the downside, I have a 1-year-old $3000 iMac that has fraying cables even though it's stationary, and a 1.5-year-old Thunderbolt monitor that has splotching. I would agree that Apple's industrial design is much better. To be clear, I'm not talking ecosystem, I'm talking straight-up professional software use on a $ for $ system. Apple looks better, but functionality is very much the same.

I still disagree dollar to dollar.
 
You are kidding right? You get better spec PC for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price. And you get to decide what will be inside. And how can Mac be better when they use the same damn components (intel processor)? You are delusional. Did you ever open up apple imac or macbook? Look at ram....its the dirt cheap ass china product. Where do you thing Apple gets profit? For selling as low quality components at premium price.

Maybe you really like your 5400 HDD on 2013 iMac? That is nice....maybe for 2007, but not 2013.

Wow some are so delusional.

Well, then, I guess i just don't know why all my Mac products outlast everything else, even when compared dollar to dollar. Oh well! Nothing delusional about first hand experience, coming from both sides of the wall. By the way, no need to degrade me for my opinion. If it bothers you, just ignore it.
 
Thing is I'm not sure that this is where Apple is heading. They seem to be targeting prosumers. If you look at Xcode and APIs it's as if they're saying - 'We'll provide all the tools, all you need are the ideas".

What?!?
Wait, you've got to explain that Xcode and APIs comment.
 
Well, then, I guess i just don't know why all my Mac products outlast everything else, even when compared dollar to dollar. Oh well! Nothing delusional about first hand experience, coming from both sides of the wall. By the way, no need to degrade me for my opinion. If it bothers you, just ignore it.

i5 in mac or i5 in win pc will work almost the same in 2 years from now (it depends on drivers, but windows have much more people working on it, so i have no feer that they would be worse than on mac). There is no logical reason to say that in Mac, they magically work better over time. There just isn't.
 
What?!?
Wait, you've got to explain that Xcode and APIs comment.

Unless I have the wrong end of the stick, Apple seem to be providing not so much raw software but building blocks, not sure if that is a positive or a negative. There is still some coding to learn but it seems everything is at a a much higher level than before.
ie they are moving away from the situation where you need a genius to create content and apps.
 
We're fine with the walk; it's the fact that we're blindfolded and stepping on rakes that gets to us.
Don't worry about the blindfold and the rakes, you're going down a dark alley where they pick your pocket anyway.

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Well, then, I guess i just don't know why all my Mac products outlast everything else, even when compared dollar to dollar. Oh well! Nothing delusional about first hand experience, coming from both sides of the wall. By the way, no need to degrade me for my opinion. If it bothers you, just ignore it.
Never owned a "Cube" did you.
 
your last sentence say you haven't thought it through.. but others have.

if you were considering a core approach with one fan to ventilate the system, why would you go with a cuboid? that's somewhat similar to saying we should put square exhaust pipes on cars.

the tube shape makes more sense as the supporting shape of the foundation of the computer.. the thermal core or whatever.. it should be at least somewhat obvious.

Your entire post shows you haven't thought anything through. The internal shape of something isn't indicative of how the exterior looks. Those exhaust pipes you see on cars whether they be square trapezoid or oval are usually tips. That is to say, the actual pipe that you don't see, (the inside), is circular whilst the exit, (the square tip), is not.
 
I think one important thing is being missed here. Apple's consumer devices like the iPhone and iPad thrive partly (or maybe mostly) due to the quantity and quality of the apps available and in case people had forgotten unless you're building a web app the only possible way to produce an app is using Xcode, even the cross developers at some point need to go back to Xcode to produce the final compiled product.

Now, I can get away with designing and building my apps on an iMac due to their smaller size and complexity, but for the major studios, the size of the code base and graphical resources means that they would have to use something like a Mac Pro to develop on. Take those Pro machines away and how are companies going to build those quality apps and software?

If Apple dropped the Pro line entirely then I think they would have no choice but to release Xcode on other platforms or, brace yourselves, allow OS X to run on other machines. If none of that happened I don't know how they'd expect developers to build anything for their magical devices.

Drop final cut and Logic Pro, sure, other companies can pick those up. But remove the ability for developers to build cutting edge software for your devices, that would seem to be a big mistake.
 
Yes, sometimes the option is to kill off a product segment. Apple's done that many times--it's what the analysts refer to as cannibalization.

don't mean to come across like an idiot, but "cannibalisation" has a slightly different meaning:

"In marketing strategy, cannibalisation refers to a reduction in sales volume, sales revenue, or market share of one product as a result of the introduction of a new product by the same producer."
 
i5 in mac or i5 in win pc will work almost the same in 2 years from now (it depends on drivers, but windows have much more people working on it, so i have no feer that they would be worse than on mac). There is no logical reason to say that in Mac, they magically work better over time. There just isn't.

Well, depends... All I know by experience since the time of the 4.77Mhz PC, that it gets slower over time. The problem is not just the PC but the OS running in it. I had to upgrade every 2-3 years because it would run so slow.
That has not happened with my Mac, and I have it for almost 6 years now.
 
Your entire post shows you haven't thought anything through. The internal shape of something isn't indicative of how the exterior looks.

lol.. okay dude. if that's what you think than that's what you think. i'm pretty sure nothing i could say in the next day or so could sway your opinion anyway.

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Those exhaust pipes you see on cars whether they be square trapezoid or oval are usually tips. That is to say, the actual pipe that you don't see, (the inside), is circular whilst the exit, (the square tip), is not.

huh? the tips are there for the looks without concern for function.. the exhaust pipes are cylindrical because that's the best shape to move air.. the new mac is cylindrical because that's the best shape to move air in.. (or at least better than a box)..

but you're arguing against me except using the same thing i just said to you back on me.. it doesn't make sense.
 
What Apple has [not] done with Aperture is disgraceful. No chance that app is going to be relevant again. It's really sad because file management in Lightroom is a cluster...well...you know.
 
This one?

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Just a bit bored of people showing pictures like that, if you are working with video editing these days: where do you put the, UltraStudio 4K(rack mounted) Blackmagic MultiDock (rack mounted), a bunch of disks?

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In the computer - yea shure! I rather have it in a rack just beside the computer. Just oneTB cables to the rack, and then one TB cable to your 4k screen, where you add keyboards etc...

If your MP dies (that happens with Pro things also, thats why you uses a RAID system;-), you fetches your MBPr and pug in the two TB cables and continues to edit, thats nice...
 
What seems to be happening is that though their hardware can still claim to be "pro," the software is now "prosumer." I like the new Logic a lot -- but I don't work in a NY studio. I like the new Final Cut better than the older versions -- but I don't make Hollywood movies. It's what the pros think that matters if you're making pro apps.

It's one thing for Apple to "ask the pros to walk with them." But if the pros start walking elsewhere (which many seem to be doing), how much longer will Apple keep their pro line on life support? Canceling it completely could have a ripple effect. I teach multimedia production, and if pros no longer use Apple products then I'll have little reason to teach using them. Then Apple's educational market would begin to dissolve as well. It's a slippery slope they're on.


Don't shoot the messenger.

The 'pro' users are not a different specie, they are just folks who need powerful machines to work with often within studio's surroundings or as part of a render farm solution within a studio. I'm sure you understand where I'm talking about because you state to be a multimedia teacher.

Back in the days I had teachers myself when studying music technology we worked on Macintosh computers, the Mac line where the Pro line evolved from. It wasn't really a choice. The art academy, back then, had simply bought many of these computers and the students needed to work on them. Not without good reason because in any professional studio you could find these computers. It wasn't a 'road' that students choose, there was no other road.

If any road was being chosen it was Apple that manufactured these roads. With Final Cut X they put up there middle finger to the whole professional market. I never saw a program filled with that many bugs being launched in history before. Professionals couldn't open old projects any longer and after installment of Final Cut X these professionals weren't even allowed to install the previous version of Final Cut X as well. To make it all worse, not only didn't the pro users had access to there old projects the new Final Cut X was worse then iMovie when it came to editing possibilities. From a professional good working app, Final Cut Pro, Apple came up with a incredible bad designed editing software for children. And trust me, I wasn't the only one that was furious back then. Final got rated with just 2 stars on the Apple store, with good reason and Apple lost an entire professional market in video editing that didn't had a choice to walk another 'road'.

As for today, Adobe's Premiere and even Avid editor program's have become more popular for use with professional's then Final Cut X. But it was Apple that forced, yes forced, the professional market to shift, or as you put it to choose another 'road', not the pro's themselves.

Now Final Cut X has become once again, after many updates, a solid good working editing software package. I own one myself. I just protest to the insinuation that the pro users are some kind of different specie who choosing there own path. It's much to simplistic. It's Apple who went for the masses and not for the pro market. Why? Because the 'pro' market was and isn't not that interesting enough when looking at profit in sales. That's basically it.
Each year I attend IBC (International Broad Casting Conference) here in Amsterdam the Netherlands ( http://www.ibc.org/page.cfm/ID=1 ) and many years ago Apple was there as well, showing of their latest changes in Final Cut to the professional market. I don't see any Apple stand for years now. Why? Because Apple themselves choose the path to focus on the masses and not on the professional market where they couldn't get so much profit out of it..

I'm ok with that and I still like Apple products and especially it's OSX. But it's simply not fair to state professional users are choosing there own path / road when knowing the history of the pro market where Apple ones tried to get grip upon.
 
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