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You havn't proved anything and you have to look at the links you put because there is a number of smartphones there WITHOUT keyboard and that doesn't look like BB.

You have said that ALL the smartphones were like BB and this is false, there were a lot of smartphones without keyboard and touch only.

So I guess BEST smartphones of those years has no importance and we should use a random phone with no keyboard that 400 people owned. Way to back up your facts buddy. I clearly "remembered" wrong.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_7710

And that's just one.

Also the LG Prada in 2006.

Keep FUD'ing...

How many did this sell? Thanks. I could tell by the size of the Wikipedia entry that this was a revolutionary phone. Nothing like the 2 sentences devoted to an iPhone entry. Pretty sad you had to resort to a "Wikipedia" link just to find your smartphone instead of a tech link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
 
So I guess BEST smartphones of those years has no importance and we should use a random phone with no keyboard that 400 people owned. Way to back up your facts buddy. I clearly "remembered" wrong.

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How many did this sell? Thanks.

You keep backpeddling. It has nothing to do with sales - your original claims are 100% wrong. It's ok - you can admit you were wrong. We might even respect you more for it.

No one is arguing the impact Apple had on the market. We are arguing about "Facts" you're pulling out of your hindquarters.

And sad? No - what's sad is your lame attempt to discredit facts. Keep changing the rules/parameters... you might just hit on something...
 
So I guess BEST smartphones of those years has no importance and we should use a random phone with no keyboard that 400 people owned. Way to back up your facts buddy. I clearly "remembered" wrong.

Yes, you not only remember wrong but you think the only place where smartphones were sold was USA.

And no, those not like BB smartphones wasn't bought by 400 people.

Companies like HTC, O2, XDA, i-mate were making touch only smartphones.

If you want to see how smartphones looked don't go to cnet USA, go to pdadb.net or gsmarena
 
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Yes, you not only remember wrong but you think the only place where smartphones weer sold was USA.

And no, those not like BB smartphones wasn't bought by 400 people.

companies like HTC, O2, XDA, i-mate were making touch only smartphones.

If you want to see how smartphones looked don't go to cnet USa, go to pdadb.net ord gsmarena

He's not interested in facts. He's only interested in setting up specific criteria which would make his assumptions correct. Set enough criteria and he can be successful. IE - Name an american company that produced the first smart phone that sold over 1,000,000 units in it's lifetime that has iOS ;)
 
Yikes

You guys made my morning.

I particularly enjoy the posts comparing SJ to Beethoven and Shakespeare. I laughed heartily. Does anyone here really think that a consumer products guy should be mentioned in the same breath as these two or that SJ will even be remembered in 150 years? You're off your rocker if you do.

I also love all the comments about Schmidt stealing from Apple while he was on the board of directors. You guys do know that boards don't have access to the development of new product details or specifics, don't you? SJ would never have shared those details with the board because that's not what boards are there for, they are there to represent shareholder interests relative to broad corporate structure issues, compensation, executive hiring, etc. He wouldn't have shared any product details with them. At any rate, the iPhone was freely available for anyone to copy for two years.

You guys who are defending him like he's some sort of god are going to spin right off this planet. He was a jerk. His company made great consumer products, exploited cheap labor, promoted senseless consumerism ushering many into needless debt, and stole from competitors just as they stole from him.

And by the way, he wasn't some great visionary. He was wrong about much of what would ultimately make Apple a success story: iTunes for windows, apps for iOS.
 
Just finished the book last night, and one thing is very apparent: This guy was a nut - not a "ha ha ha, you're a nut!" kinda nutty, but "holy hell, you give crazy a whole new definition" kinda nutty.

Yeah, he was definitely a genius, but at what price? His apparent inability to empathize with his fellow man, the continual rationalization of his behavior towards his friends (and friends is used very loosely) and acquaintances...man, he was a troubled guy.
 
He was wrong about much of what would ultimately make Apple a success story: iTunes for windows, apps for iOS.

Agreed.

I'm about half way through the book and as others have said, the guy was a complete wack job(s). His girlfriend's diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder was spot on. From early on, he was self obesessed, opportunistic, manipulative, and generally a spoiled rotten brat.

The real triumph of Steve Jobs was, despite his massive shortcomings and impossible behavior, how he managed to build a following, and maintain respect amongst his employees and peers that endured his tyrannical rule, and his 12 year absence from Apple. The fact that they took him back was a testament to his charisma.

I also agree that he was not a visionary. He lead a company that created hardware and software that were the next logical step in technology. Star Trek had envisioned half the stuff Apple makes today. Apple just happened to finally get the ideas right, and not neccessarily even first. Through Jobs' maniacal perfectionism, he surrounded himself with just the right people that could make these logical steps happen and happen in a great way. THOSE people are the visionaries. Those are the people that will take Apple into the future.

Apple came to be, thanks in a large part to Steve Jobs. Apple nearly tanked, thanks in a large part to Steve Jobs. Apple rose from a near death experience, thanks in large part to Steve Jobs. And Apple will follow its current track, because of what Steve Jobs set in motion. It will certainly not flounder any time soon, just because he is gone.

Apple fans are considered by many to be cultish. The REAL cult is Apple itself. Apple employee's loyalty to their cult leader lasted through his rule, his departure and his return. Now that he's gone again, it will remain, though the loyalty will not be to the man himself, but rather to the concept that a company can have widespread obessessive compulsive disorder, and still be successful.
 
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Picked the book up at Chapters for $25 today. Just got through the first chapter. It's kind if interesting to hear about his childhood but I hope it gets better in Chapter 2!
 
Steve Jobs regarding his book; " I think this book is just genius, but if you ask me tomorrow it may be ****". ;)

That is the thing I have found very interesting about him in this book, one day something was fantastic, the next day it was ****.
 
Ordered it last Friday, shipped on Monday, received my copy today from Amazon. Looking forward to reading it this weekend.
 
What are you typing your message on? A personal computer? An iPad? Apple was the first company to make the personal computer commercially successful.

Nope. Starting together in 1977, the $1300-$2200+ Apple II was outsold by the $600 Commodore PET and $600 Tandy TRS-80 for years. The TRS-80 especially brought computing to the masses. A couple of years later, they were joined by the Atari 400/800, the TI-99/4, the VIC-20 and Commodore 64, and others, which again outsold Apple and did far more to put affordable computers in homes.

What did smartphones look like before the iPhone? What do they look like now? Do you know when he first unveiled the iPhone and had to compare it to current smartphones at the time, they all looked like Blackberries with keyboards?

Using Jobs as a historical source is like believing everything a used car salesman says. He used whatever it took to sell what his current product had or didn't have.

As others who owned smartphones at the time have told you, no, they didn't all have keyboards, not by a long shot. In fact, keyboards were just becoming popular after years of touchscreen endowed smartphones derived from PDAs, at least in the US.

As for sales, consider that there was almost zero public exposure to such devices. Still, in 2006 over 80 million smartphones were sold worldwide, about half by Nokia and and the rest divided mostly between RIM, Motorola, Samsung, and HTC (as an ODM).
 
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