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Well said.

I'm so happy the book was released early. It gives all the worshippers plenty of time read it, gush over Steve, and with some luck, get over it so 2012 can be a "Jobs is God" free year.

Like it or not Tim Cook is in charge now.

Let's see if everyone has enough self respect to give this man a chance.

Want to judge someone? Look in the mirror.

you mad bro?

I'm lol'ing hard.
 
haters just gonna hate...

It's equal parts fact and fiction. But no doubt the majority on this forum will go with the conspiracy theory since it's serves their agenda

Well, regarding "agendas" you can say the exact same thing for those sitting on the other side of this debate. ;)



I think the book will be an interesting read and I understand why people want to read it. I'll read it too. What I find ridiculous is the media coverage that has been going on for weeks. When a President or Pope John Paul, Mother Teresa etc died, they didn't get this amount of attention. You'd think this guy could walk on water and raise the dead from all the post-mortem publicity he is getting. Never mind the worshiping that goes on here.

You could have said the same thing about Michael Jackson when he died, since he's not a President of a country or some saintly figure, but in the end what difference does that make?! Clearly this person affected millions of people in some positive tangible form or another thus that's mostly why he's getting the current press coverage in the first place.

Also, in case you forgot to check the calendar, Steve Jobs died only two weeks ago and he had a biography scheduled for an early 2012 release** that got bumped up to now since it made more marketing sense to capitalize on book sales based off the natural surge of interest generated by his very recent death. So none of this recent press coverage should be surprising to anyone.

**side thought: maybe SJ thought he was going to pass away sometime early next year hence that original book release date? :(


He is polarizing because he can be so contradicting sometimes. He would refer most people as "bozos" if they had bad ideas or not on his level, but his company still catered to these same "bozos" with a novice level on tech. He says salespeople should never run a company but he was probably the greatest salesman in tech history. He is a fascinating man full of great incite and hypocrisy.

Exactly.




I know the downgrade storm will fly but the guy sounded like a jerk. Who parks in handicap spaces the doesn't actually need to? No plates on his car? Demeaning waitresses and employees? Does this sound like a good person to you? I know he had a lot of success in life and did great things in his line of work but come one.... Parking in handicap spaces?

IF it wasn't Steve Jobs and you saw someone doing that, wouldn't you think they were a douchebag?

Im sure there will be a ton of interesting things in the book but at least they're honest.

Yes, Steve Jobs was a jerk at times, and in general a control freak during the course of his life, but let's give the man some credit where credit is due: he highly encouraged the people that were going to be interviewed for the book to be honest in their assessment of him, pointing out both the good and bad in his personality, and that's something to respect because most people, especially in positions of power and influence, want to be showered with praise and have their faults cleverly covered up with either circumstantial rationalizations or just avoid controversy all together by glossing over the nitty-gritty details of their life. Whereas someone like Steve Jobs is wiling to wear it on his sleeve for all to see. Weak people just don't do that. And for this SJ deserves some credit, despite his obvious flaws.



Yes. That devil Bill Gates who dared to bring the graphical user interface to the masses - and at an affordable price for everybody!

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If Steve Jobs hadn't had such a huge ego, the entire world would be using Mac OS since 1984. The only thing he needed to do back then was to LICENSE that piece of software like Microsoft did it with DOS and later Windows.

I simply disagree with this standpoint that licensing the Mac OS earlier on would have helped Apple "own" the market, because that assumes the OS itself wouldn't be watered down as a result of the licensing.

Of course I'm speculating here, but I think part of the consideration to not license it was to minimize any "design by committee" issues that would present itself when trying to make the Mac OS function on other computing platforms. The best way to guard against that, and thus stay true to Steve Jobs vision for the highest user experience, was to avoid licensing. Of course the natural downside to this is that the Mac OS platform is going to cost more to develop and implement at first, but over time this cost comes down, provided the system catches on. If anything that's where I would begin & end giving Bill Gates credit for, he did help make it affordable to get a computer into the average person's home much more than the Macintosh ever did, but the overall quality and satisfaction of actually building and using DOS is another matter.



Steve Jobs basically had the book be the next surge for Apple momentum. This guy thinks 5 steps ahead of those who think they can stay 5 steps ahead.

No doubt about that, and it seems to be working like a charm. :D
 
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I wished I hadn't bought this book now, I know this is gonna get minus votes in the hundreds. But I really respected Steve, but after seeing what he thought about the other people in the tech world and rival companies, he really seemed to be an arrogant, lying, self-loving man.

Im sorry but thats just how I feel about him now.

You sound to me like someone who's lived in a hole for three decades, devoid of the ability to assess people, happy to believe nonsense.

When Steve speaks about his rivals, he does so from a position of heightened awareness, unrivaled ability and a very reasonable intolerance of mediocrity.

He's 100% right about Android, the two faced lizard at Google, Microsoft and the clown currently running the latter. But I've been saying these things for years.
 
That's how you know the book is balanced. If it just list all of his positive things, than it's not a true biography of Jobs and the book won't be that good.

Don't assume that Jobs is the only arrogant ass in the whole tech industry, the other people thinks just the same about him.

He is at least being honest here.

What did you respect him for before? The odds are he's still respectable for the things you'll list for respecting him.

Nobody's perfect, and this book points it out, that even the most lovable CEO on the planet has his own demons and is a human being.

I agree with the person you posted. The book was good in the sense that it told thing as is. After reading it, I respect Steve as a business person but learned volumes about his character. He wasn't an ******* - he was a truly bitter person. People should aspire to matching his success but nobody should want to become him. He was a lousy human being.

I realize that it sounds blunt and could be said much better, but after all, it's how Steve would have said things.
 
I think the book will be an interesting read and I understand why people want to read it. I'll read it too. What I find ridiculous is the media coverage that has been going on for weeks. When a President or Pope John Paul, Mother Teresa etc died, they didn't get this amount of attention. You'd think this guy could walk on water and raise the dead from all the post-mortem publicity he is getting. Never mind the worshiping that goes on here.

Has any president or pope impacted the world as much as Steve Jobs did? Personal computing industry, phone industry, digital music, MP3, tablet PC, etc. We aren't talking one avenue (politics, religion) but conquering multiple avenues.
 
Has any president or pope impacted the world as much as Steve Jobs did? Personal computing industry, phone industry, digital music, MP3, tablet PC, etc. We aren't talking one avenue (politics, religion) but conquering multiple avenues.

Now I understand, he even topped Jesus.
 
Has any president or pope impacted the world as much as Steve Jobs did?

Absolutely the former have far more impact on the history of the world.

Presidents and Popes affect worldwide war or peace, the distribution of massive amounts of wealth and jobs, humanitarian attitudes, the freedom of individuals and countries, and indeed the fate of the entire planet.

In comparison, Jobs is a tiny blip. He was a facilitator and salesman of devices that enhanced some people's recreational time and media consumption more than anything else. Millions bought his wares; billions could not.

Personal computing industry, phone industry, digital music, MP3, tablet PC, etc. We aren't talking one avenue (politics, religion) but conquering multiple avenues.

All those things existed before and without him. His companies did not invent PCs, MP3 players, smartphones or tablets. His fondness was in "reinventing".

Lacking technical skills of his own, he had his employees refine such things into easier to use popular items. He worked very hard to find new ways to make money from them, mostly depending on a walled garden approach and legal attacks to fend off competition.

Top entrepreneur, yes. Presidential-like impact, no.
 
Absolutely the former have far more impact on the history of the world.

Presidents and Popes affect worldwide war or peace, the distribution of massive amounts of wealth and jobs, humanitarian attitudes, the freedom of individuals and countries, and indeed the fate of the entire planet.

In comparison, Jobs is a tiny blip. He was a facilitator and salesman of devices that enhanced some people's recreational time and media consumption more than anything else. Millions bought his wares; billions could not.



All those things existed before and without him. His companies did not invent PCs, MP3 players, smartphones or tablets. His fondness was in "reinventing".

Lacking technical skills of his own, he had his employees refine such things into easier to use popular items. He worked very hard to find new ways to make money from them, mostly depending on a walled garden approach and legal attacks to fend off competition.

Top entrepreneur, yes. Presidential-like impact, no.

Kudos to you. Excellent post. I think what you posted should be obvious to most.
 
I am 20% of the way through the book. Id hate to have worked for the man when success wasn't imminent, why else would you subject yourself to his treatment? I am going to miss the "guarantee" of sorts he offered about the quality of products coming out of Apple just knowing he was working there.

Id love to talk about the book a little more but I don't want to post any spoilers..
 
Absolutely the former have far more impact on the history of the world.

Presidents and Popes affect worldwide war or peace, the distribution of massive amounts of wealth and jobs, humanitarian attitudes, the freedom of individuals and countries, and indeed the fate of the entire planet.

In comparison, Jobs is a tiny blip. He was a facilitator and salesman of devices that enhanced some people's recreational time and media consumption more than anything else. Millions bought his wares; billions could not.

Top entrepreneur, yes. Presidential-like impact, no.

The problem with this is that you are generalizing the term president and pope. Of course a president in general SHOULD have more impact, but can you name a president in our recent era that had changed the fate of the entire planet as you stated?

What are you typing your message on? A personal computer? An iPad? Apple was the first company to make the personal computer commercially successful. There is a computer in practically every home in every country. What recent presidential action compares to that?

All those things existed before and without him. His companies did not invent PCs, MP3 players, smartphones or tablets. His fondness was in "reinventing".

What tablets were popular before the iPad? Who made the public believe it was a necessity?

What did smartphones look like before the iPhone? What do they look like now? Do you know when he first unveiled the iPhone and had to compare it to current smartphones at the time, they all looked like Blackberries with keyboards? And what does every phone resemble now?
 
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Guess I shouldn't have bothered replying to your original post. It is quite evident you were simply setting everyone up a counter-attack instead of I dunno, countering with some logic or examples?

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The problem with this is that you are generalizing the term president and pope. Of course a president in general SHOULD have more impact, but can you name a president in our recent era that had changed the fate of the entire planet as you stated?

What are you typing your message on? A personal computer? An iPad? Apple was the first company to make the personal computer commercially successful. There is a computer in practically every home every country. What recent presidential action compares to that?

What did smartphones look like before the iPhone? What do they look like now? Do you know when he first unveiled the iPhone and had to compare it to current smartphones at the time, they all looked like Blackberries with keyboards? And what does every phone resemble now?


First of all - I don't think the OP was setting anyone up - unless you consider someone making a counterpoint to what's "popular" and someone immediately needing to jump on it to prove him wrong.

Obama is pulling troops out of Iraq after 8+ years.
Nixon's relationship building with China (psssss - if he hadn't - where would Apple make all of their products?)


Two "recent" but important world changing events. Which wasn't your original statement. Funny how you made that clarification in this latest post. Because I can throw you a lot more things presidents have done which have changed the world for the better without that comment.


I also think you're confusing important with luxury.

No one NEEDS an iPad. No one NEEDS a smartphone. They are luxury items. #firstworldproblems.

I'm not diminishing Jobs or Apple's contributions - but keep perspective. As you said yourself - "Who made the public believe it was a necessity."

Operative phrase there "made the public believe"
 
The problem with this is that you are generalizing the term president and pope. Of course a president in general SHOULD have more impact, but can you name a president in our recent era that had changed the fate of the entire planet as you stated?

What are you typing your message on? A personal computer? An iPad? Apple was the first company to make the personal computer commercially successful. There is a computer in practically every home every country. What recent presidential action compares to that?

Gorbqachev, Reagan, Bush Jr., Mitterrand, Kohl
 
First of all - I don't think the OP was setting anyone up - unless you consider someone making a counterpoint to what's "popular" and someone immediately needing to jump on it to prove him wrong.

Obama is pulling troops out of Iraq after 8+ years.
Nixon's relationship building with China (psssss - if he hadn't - where would Apple make all of their products?)


Two "recent" but important world changing events. Which wasn't your original statement. Funny how you made that clarification in this latest post. Because I can throw you a lot more things presidents have done which have changed the world for the better without that comment.

Simply inserted "recent" because I didn't want examples of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. No conspiracy I swear.

Pulling troops out of war does not have as much impact as bringing home computing to the forefront of the world and changing the entire smartphone industry.

By your example, any leader who wants to bring their soldiers home should have statues built.
 
I think you are remembering wrong if you only remember "BB like" smartphones

I think far too many people "remember" things like this wrong.

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Simply inserted "recent" because I didn't want examples of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. No conspiracy I swear.

Your original statement was "Has any president or pope impacted the world as much as Steve Jobs did?

ANY. not any recent. Maybe not conspiracy - but you just said you didn't want example of George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. Why not? Because it proved your original statement completely false? Convenient.
 
I think I proved my point.

You havn't proved anything and you have to look at the links you put because there is a number of smartphones there WITHOUT keyboard and that doesn't look like BB.

You have said that ALL the smartphones were like BB and this is false, there were a lot of smartphones without keyboard and touch only.
 
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