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they will still have an infinitely better start and infinitely more opportunities than 99% of the US population.

Yes - and that's because they inherited a mindset.

People like that could change their name, lose all their contacts, and be thrown on the street with nothing and be millionaires within a year. It's not the money, it's the attitude.
 
I dont care what people thing of Bill. But hes and amazing guy. I mean thats almost half his money donated straight to charity.

its admirable.

Yes, steve designs good products for my daily life, but i dont like him one bit. Hes an arrogant fool. But thats my opinion
 
What a weird bar graph... makes 1.4 look like more than half of 6.1

In my statistics class we call that an evil graph, it is a graph that doesn't start at 0 so there is no way to correctly show the values listed on it. lol
 
I think most of us know what Steve has accomplished and contributed - no need to reiterate it all here.

What have you accomplished and contributed?

I think we all know who the real ass is.

But duuuude, think of all the toke he could have bought with 6 billion!
 
This is complete nonsense. The fact is, if SJ molested children, you a few other posters on MR would defend him because you like Apple products.

I like Apple products, too. But this doesn't blind me to the fact that a multi-billionaire who gives less to charity than I do is a selfish b*stard.

Of course Steve has the *right* not to give to charity. So do I, so does everyone. But that doesn't mean that not giving to charity is somehow good.

But you seem to see Apple as a religion, where you have to defend against any criticism of Apple or Steve - no matter how justified - as an attack on your religion.

:rolleyes: It's so much easier to argue when you make up the person you are arguing with and their argument and the supposed "facts".
 
I'm sure he does, but so what if he doesn't??? Anyway, how many billions has the government taken from him in the name of charity?

I don't see why giving should be public knowledge. It is a very personal decision on who you donate money to and if you want to keep it quiet I respect that.
 
In my statistics class we call that an evil graph, it is a graph that doesn't start at 0 so there is no way to correctly show the values listed on it. lol

What stupid pissing contest about who makes what amount of money.

Gets people riled up.

All I can say is , I don''t have any of it and it is none of my business to tell people what to do with their $$$.

People that don't like SJ claiming that he doesn't give to charity, he is arrogant etc.etc. don't know what he really does.

I prefer quiet donations and just giving without having to be cited or recognized as generous.

For the jealous types maybe this will help:

None of the people on the list will be able to take the money with them.
The last shirt usually has no pockets:)
 
Yeah, I'd like to hear what charities Jobs supports... Probably the charity of his own wallet. ;)

And you know Jobs personally how? Amazing to me how some here judge those whom they know little or nothing about. So what charities do you support, and how much? And I hope you aren't trying to support your own wallet or financial standing in life.
 
Steve makes $1 a year like other CEO's to dodge income tax. Instead he receives "gifts" and instead pays the much lower capital gain on it. For example a few years ago Steve was "gifted" a private jet and a few years after a "gift" of a few million dollars. Its just a way too loophole taxes.
 
Steve makes $1 a year like other CEO's to dodge income tax. Instead he receives "gifts" and instead pays the much lower capital gain on it. For example a few years ago Steve was "gifted" a private jet and a few years after a "gift" of a few million dollars. Its just a way too loophole taxes.

That makes no sense. Salary is not charged capital gains tax. And the "gift" claim would for the most part mean that Apple paid taxes on the money and jet rather than Jobs. Not really a loophole.
 
That makes no sense. Salary is not charged capital gains tax. And the "gift" claim would for the most part mean that Apple paid taxes on the money and jet rather than Jobs. Not really a loophole.

That's the point. Apple pays the gift tax so SJ doesn't have to pay income tax.
So if he was "given" several million dollars as a gift. He doesn't have to pay any taxes on it. So it is a loophole.
 
That's the point. Apple pays the gift tax so SJ doesn't have to pay income tax.
So if he was "given" several million dollars as a gift. He doesn't have to pay any taxes on it. So it is a loophole.

It's not a loophole. The taxes are paid. Why does it matter if Jobs pays them or Apple?
 
Irrelevant, he has another 5 years in him at best, and then what will he do with his cash? Build a pharoahs tomb for the afterlife?

Give me health, vitality and youthfulness over six billion but being a bag of bones anyday.

How nice of you to decide that his life is just so over. My wife's aunt is going on 15 years post-transplantion on a donated liver, no problems.
 
It's not a loophole. The taxes are paid. Why does it matter if Jobs pays them or Apple?


It doesn't matter. But yes it is a loophole.
Working for a $1. Getting taxed on $1. Then getting a 'gift' of whatever millions so you don't have to pay over 60% taxes on it, is a loophole.
But doesn't make it wrong. If I could do it I would.
 
It doesn't matter. But yes it is a loophole.
Working for a $1. Getting taxed on $1. Then getting a 'gift' of whatever millions so you don't have to pay over 60% taxes on it, is a loophole.
But doesn't make it wrong. If I could do it I would.

Apple paid the 60% (or whatever) taxes for him! They were paid. Where is the loophole? The government got the money that it was entitled to.
 
I can't believe that moron Mark Zuckerberg is worth more than Steve Jobs. What a joke... *updates Facebook exclaiming same complaint.*
 
This is complete nonsense. .....But this doesn't blind me to the fact that a multi-billionaire who gives less to charity than I do is a selfish b*stard. .

Evidence? By the way how much exactly have you given to charity over the last 10 years--please post your tax returns or other verification, because we all have a right to know, apparently.

Is there a central clearing house for the mandatory listing of charitable donations? Because you're not required to list them on your tax forms if you don't take the deduction, you know. Just want to know where you guys get this stuff.
 
Apple paid the 60% (or whatever) taxes for him! They were paid. Where is the loophole? The government got the money that it was entitled to.


No, gift taxes are much lower than income tax. Think it tops out to 45-50%??

Like I said doesn't matter to me, so calm down. But it is a loophole. You can say it isn't but it is. Because SJ didn't have to pay taxes on it, the shareholders of Apple did. Even the IRS recognizes that people use it to avoid income tax, so the gift tax kind of mirror's the estate tax for this purpose.
 
Steve makes $1 a year like other CEO's to dodge income tax. Instead he receives "gifts" and instead pays the much lower capital gain on it. For example a few years ago Steve was "gifted" a private jet and a few years after a "gift" of a few million dollars. Its just a way too loophole taxes.

This is wrong. First, taking one dollar is not "dodging" income tax. Under federal law you do not have to pay the IRS one cent more than is required. Jobs pays on the stock options just like anyone else would. As far as gifts, you're only allowed to receive (in 2009) $13,000 in gifts from any one source, after which you pay tax on any such gifts at the regular income rate.
 
No, gift taxes are much lower than income tax. Think it tops out to 45-50%??

Like I said doesn't matter to me, so calm down. But it is a loophole. You can say it isn't but it is. Because SJ didn't have to pay taxes on it, the shareholders of Apple did. Even the IRS recognizes that people use it to avoid income tax, so the gift tax kind of mirror's the estate tax for this purpose.

Any evidence that it was paid as gift tax? Articles at the time described the jet as a "bonus" that included the jet "plus all associated sales and income taxes that Jobs otherwise would have had to pay."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-235835.html#ixzz10NfZArUu
 
It doesn't matter. But yes it is a loophole.
Working for a $1. Getting taxed on $1. Then getting a 'gift' of whatever millions so you don't have to pay over 60% taxes on it, is a loophole.
But doesn't make it wrong. If I could do it I would.

There is NO loophole. You have to pay taxes on anything beyond the current maximum gift limit.
 
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