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I'm all for free speech. Period.

No strings attached, no qualifiers, no censorship of others opinions no matter how strongly I may disagree.

This is a PUBLIC Forum.

This is the USA.

A free country, one in which I choose to do as I please, which at this moment is to honor the man but not disrespect those who choose to post their opinions to the contrary.

Cheers :)
 
A "different perspective" would be that Jobs "led the team that took the Xerox interpretation of the mouse and GUI, and developed and marketed a more affordable version".

The TRS-80 was on sale more than six years before the Mac. The mouse was invented when Steve Jobs was eight years old. Obviously keyboards were in use before Jobs was born.

OK, then how about this:
Jobs created the first DIY computer.
 
I'm all for free speech. Period.

No strings attached, no qualifiers, no censorship of others opinions no matter how strongly I may disagree.

This is a PUBLIC Forum.

This is the USA.

A free country, one in which I choose to do as I please, which at this moment is to honor the man but not disrespect those who choose to post their opinions to the contrary.

Cheers :)

No offense, but this isn't a public forum. This is a private forum run by an organization, who chooses to place only very loose limits on who can participate. There are a number of things that cannot and should not be said here, however, and I myself have run afoul of those rules before. I don't say this to complain, I compliment the team here for running the forums smoothly. I would fully support temporary and/or permanent bans for anyone who chooses to go above and beyond in crass or inappropriate remarks regarding Steve Jobs, especially if the time comes where he dies (I don't actually expect it soon, but it's always possible).

jW
 
The sickening thing about the photo is, that it has even been taken, You would think people would allow jobs some diginity and respect, but no, some ****er took it knowing what he is going through and allowing the world to see him when he down on his knees :mad::(
 
OK, then how about this:
Jobs created the first DIY computer.

There have been DIY home computers since the 1950s.

If you meant the 1976 Apple I, Wozniak designed and programmed it.

Jobs is a businessman. He has never designed a circuit board nor written a line of code. That's not what he does. His expertise is in thinking like a consumer. He takes what others do and decides what pieces will sell, and what isn't needed.
 
There have been DIY home computers since the 1950s.

If you meant the 1976 Apple I, Wozniak designed and programmed it.

Jobs is a businessman. He has never designed a circuit board nor written a line of code. That's not what he does. His expertise is in thinking like a consumer. He takes what others do and decides what pieces will sell, and what isn't needed.

Actually, according to Woz, Jobs has designed circuit boards (pre-Apple).
 
There have been DIY home computers since the 1950s.

Link? I'd love to see how you explain the monstrosities of the 50s as "DIY home computers".

You were kidding, right? Unless you meant "Computers as big as a home"? And the DIY part? Explain please.
 
Link? I'd love to see how you explain the monstrosities of the 50s as "DIY home computers".

You were kidding, right? Unless you meant "Computers as big as a home"? And the DIY part? Explain please.

By "home computer" I think he meant a home that's a computer...which you build yourself?
Who am I, Bob the Builder?
 
That's really sad...

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You were kidding, right? Unless you meant "Computers as big as a home"? And the DIY part? Explain please.

Size is relative. One day kids will be laughing at the desktop towers we use now.

As for DIY, either you should be telling us what you think it means, or if you cannot, you should be asking the poster who brought up DIY:

OK, then how about this: Jobs created the first DIY computer.

DIY usually means something you put together yourself.

If so, the poster had to be referring to the Apple I or II. The II came totally prebuilt, so the reference must've been to the Apple I, which was not the first 1970s era computer available as a kit or with the circuit board assembled. And again, Jobs did not create it. He simply saw what Woz had done and realized it was a marketing opportunity.

Woz himself said this about the Apple I:

"Steve wanted to run a company and learn the ways to. Otherwise, what was his contribution? He didn't design any of it." - Woz

Now, with the Apple II, Jobs deserves credit for wanting a nice all-in-one case with keyboard similar to other devices like this 1972 desktop HP computer. It was a good idea, since others (Commodore, Tandy) were thinking the same thing at the same time.

Actually, according to Woz, Jobs has designed circuit boards (pre-Apple).

Not that I've ever heard. Or if he did so in his job as an Atari technician (not engineer), they were dead simple static ones. Many biographies tell the infamous Breakout story in ways similar to this:

"Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line.

"At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $700 (instead of the actual $5000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $350."

Jobs didn't even understand the needs of circuit layouts. One time he ordered the Mac engineers to spend time and money trying to create a more beautiful board because he didn't like how the memory chip lines were so close together.

Jobs can get credit for a lot of things, but not for circuit design or coding. A lot of people mistakenly think he did such things; a notion that he allows by rarely mentioning the people who actually do. Praise the man for what he did, not for things he didn't.
 
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Some of the stuff above, glorifying Jobs to the certain degree makes me ask "Is this real life?"

No, it's the reality of immature, egocentric people who think that the rest of the world revolves around their self-absorbed notions about life.

The reality is that only about 12% of the planet's population even have a computer of any kind, and only 8% have access to the internet.

I have way more respect for what Bill and Melinda Gates are doing for humanity through their foundation than anything Jobs has done selling consumer products to the pampered few.

http://www.miniature-earth.com/
 
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There have been DIY home computers since the 1950s.

If you meant the 1976 Apple I, Wozniak designed and programmed it.

Jobs is a businessman. He has never designed a circuit board nor written a line of code. That's not what he does. His expertise is in thinking like a consumer. He takes what others do and decides what pieces will sell, and what isn't needed.

No he doesn't think like a consumer, his strong point is that he can envision what consumers might buy. Jobs is known to have said: " You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new."

I think this statement is also very true for creating software applications in general.
 
There have been DIY home computers since the 1950s.
I think you have your dates wrong. Back in the 50s computers consumed whole floors and were constructed of vacuum tubes. It wasn't until the transister was invented that the miniaturization of circuits allowed DIY kits

The altair 8800 was the first DIY kit
 
No, it's the reality of immature, egocentric people who think that the rest of the world revolves around their self-absorbed notions about life.

The reality is that only about 12% of the planet's population even have a computer of any kind, and only 8% have access to the internet.

I have way more respect for what Bill and Melinda Gates are doing for humanity through their foundation than anything Jobs has done selling consumer products to the pampered few.

http://www.miniature-earth.com/

I don't believe that figure

There is 7 billion people on the planet, 7.8bn I think is the official figure and 500 million people have Facebook and I doubt even close to every net user has Facebook so assuming 1 in 4 have Facebook that would be 2 billion with net access so nearer 1/3 of the planet not 8%
 
I don't believe that figure

There is 7 billion people on the planet, 7.8bn I think is the official figure and 500 million people have Facebook and I doubt even close to every net user has Facebook so assuming 1 in 4 have Facebook that would be 2 billion with net access so nearer 1/3 of the planet not 8%
Your figures sound about right, don't know how many users facebook has though. I know a little while ago, a year or so ago maybe, I heard that over 1.5 billion people had access to the internet. I don't know if that is unique users or not. Global access to computers, not necessarily owning one but having access to one, must be around 25%, highly concentrated in some areas sure, but around 25%.
 
I think you have your dates wrong. Back in the 50s computers consumed whole floors and were constructed of vacuum tubes. It wasn't until the transister was invented that the miniaturization of circuits allowed DIY kits

I got interested in computers as a youngster, just as kids do now. I date back to mechanical computer kits in the 50s, then electronic analog computers in the early 60s, then transistor, ICs, bit-slice ICs and finally single microprocessors.

So I have a broader view. My response was my perhaps too subtle and humorous way of saying that such claims have to be more specific :)

The altair 8800 was the first DIY kit

I remember microprocessor kits before the Altair. Some are listed in the next link, as well as a 1950s mechanical kit:

What was the first Personal Computer? (as defined by being simple, small, digital, programmable, affordable, and available).

Like I said, I date back. Stored in my Colorado house I have a complete set of BYTE, Kilobaud Microcomputing, and Doctor Dobb's magazines. Those were the days when you really could invent something never seen before!

Regards!
 
Hopefully Tim Cook won't be as stubborn as Steve Jobs and will do a much better job as CEO than Jobs ever could!

What I'd love to see from the new CEO would definitely be Flash being able to be run on iOS devices (it runs wonderfully on my Galaxy S II!) as well as not having to jump through hoops to buy certain music tracks that aren't available in certain countries (the likes of Gackt and L'arc en Ciel definitely not being available for the most part in the UK iTunes Store even though they're pretty popular over here).

But the thing I would love to see the most from the new CEO would be a reduction in prices for their various products, especially iPod Touches and definitely none of this "Apple Tax" crap that people in certain countries have to pay just because they happen to live in said countries... (Why should I have to pay up to £100 more for a iPod Touch or iPad including VAT and other charges just because I live in the UK. Is it any wonder that I'll be buying my iOS products on import for the forseeable future...)
 
Hopefully Tim Cook won't be as stubborn as Steve Jobs and will do a much better job as CEO than Jobs ever could!

What I'd love to see from the new CEO would definitely be Flash being able to be run on iOS devices (it runs wonderfully on my Galaxy S II!) as well as not having to jump through hoops to buy certain music tracks that aren't available in certain countries (the likes of Gackt and L'arc en Ciel definitely not being available for the most part in the UK iTunes Store even though they're pretty popular over here).

But the thing I would love to see the most from the new CEO would be a reduction in prices for their various products, especially iPod Touches and definitely none of this "Apple Tax" crap that people in certain countries have to pay just because they happen to live in said countries... (Why should I have to pay up to £100 more for a iPod Touch or iPad including VAT and other charges just because I live in the UK. Is it any wonder that I'll be buying my iOS products on import for the forseeable future...)

Cook will not be any different to Jobs, if anything he will be harder than Jobs, Apple buying out supply chains to stop them dealing with rivals is Cook's work, the lawsuit against Samsung is Cook's work, anyone who thinks that Apple will be softer under Cook is in for a hell of a shock if anything they will be even more hell bent on crushing their rivals into the dirt.

As for the Apple tax well if people stopped buying then it wouldn't happen but in the UK after 5 months you can't get an iPad2 for love nor money in the UK from the likes of John Lewis, Currys, PC World, Apple Store, they sell out within seconds of going on sale even after all these months so that tells Apple that people don't mind paying an "Apple tax", why sell out iPad's at £479 when you can sell just as many at £579 ?
 
Cook will not be any different to Jobs, if anything he will be harder than Jobs, Apple buying out supply chains to stop them dealing with rivals is Cook's work, the lawsuit against Samsung is Cook's work, anyone who thinks that Apple will be softer under Cook is in for a hell of a shock if anything they will be even more hell bent on crushing their rivals into the dirt.

As for the Apple tax well if people stopped buying then it wouldn't happen but in the UK after 5 months you can't get an iPad2 for love nor money in the UK from the likes of John Lewis, Currys, PC World, Apple Store, they sell out within seconds of going on sale even after all these months so that tells Apple that people don't mind paying an "Apple tax", why sell out iPad's at £479 when you can sell just as many at £579 ?

Do you actually have any proof that iPads have sold out in the UK as I've definitely seen them on sale in the likes of John Lewis, Currys, PC World and my local Apple Store in Liverpool One as well as HMV and Carphone Warehouse. If they've supposedly sold out, then they either would have to put a notice up saying that they were sold out or take an order from the customer concerned..

Look at it this way, I'm definitely not bothered about the inconvenience caused by importing from the US which is what I'll be doing for the next iPod Touch and waiting till November next year to buy an iPad in Singapore as it would be way cheaper to do so even with Customs and various taxes in the UK thanks to being able to claim GST.

You may not have a problem paying Sales Tax (or whatever tax you Americans pay for a product), but I resent making Apple even richer by paying an extra fee on top of the taxes that are charged for a Apple product in the UK just because I live there. I have no problem with paying VAT for a product (even if it is 20% VAT thanks to the greedy Coalition bastards!), but when we get charged an extra fee on top, you know that Apple is just taking the piss!

Not everybody who want to buy an Apple product in the UK or certain other countries are gullible idiots who are willing to pay the "Apple Tax". They want to save as much as possible when buying an Apple product and if it means jumping through a few extra hoops to do so, so be it!

At the end of the day, why should I pay over £600 for a top of the range 64GB iPad with WiFi and 3G in the UK when I can get it on import for under £500 instead from another country.

And before anyone says that if I don't like what Apple are doing then I shouldn't buy an Apple product at all, I didn't buy a iPod Touch because of the marketing crap that Apple peddles to the sheeple (and believe me when I say that a certain episode of the Simpsons had the right idea with that parody of Steve Jobs), I bought it because of the Apps that are available for it first and as a MP3/Podcast player second.

One more thing... If you'll read my signature, you can clearly tell what I think of Steve Jobs. He may have cancer and I feel sorry that he has cancer as my grandmother died of cancer five years ago, but at the same time I don't like the guy because he's treated a lot of people like dirt including his own daughter and biological father. Look at it this way, he's acquired a lot of bad karma over the years and somebody's come to collect!
 
Steve Jobs

The Apple community should organize something around the world at a time and day in all major citys to say thank you Mr Steve Jobs.
 
Hopefully Tim Cook won't be as stubborn as Steve Jobs and will do a much better job as CEO than Jobs ever could!

Steve only made in the most valuable company in the world, I'm sure Tim will do much better.:rolleyes:
 
Size is relative. One day kids will be laughing at the desktop towers we use now.

As for DIY, either you should be telling us what you think it means, or if you cannot, you should be asking the poster who brought up DIY:

Only someone who is full of it has to answer questions with a bunch of quotes and nonsense.

You said there were DIY home computers since the 50s. I called bull. You asked me to...ask someone else to define what DIY means?
 
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