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Apple were the first or on of the first to add to a commercial line of pruducts many technologies. Probably Apple is the single hardware company which innovate most.
DVI, display port, wifi n, unibody, multitouch, backlitkeys, led... and go on.
Bluray is optical technology, is already old.

Let's see...

DVI - Digital Visual Interface (DVI) is a video interface standard developed by an industry consortium, the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG). DDWG was organized by Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, IBM Corp., and NEC Corporation.

DisplayPort is a digital display interface standard put forth by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) since 2006.

WiFi n - IEEE 802.11n-2009 is an amendment to the IEEE 802.11-2007 wireless networking standard to improve network throughput over the two previous standards — 802.11a and 802.11g. Companies like Broadcom, design and manufacture chips for WIFi, Apple and other computer makes simply stick them into computers. Not much innovation there.

Unibody - once again, the process was not developed by Apple but Apple was the first to use it for manufacturing laptop chassis. The benefits are questionable (caused creation of entire MacBook body protection industry) but Apple likes to be unique even at the expense of quality because this helps their PR.

Multitouch - gain, not developed by Apple, but Apple was the first to use it for mobile phone. Apple definitely deserves credits here.
 
Unibody - once again, the process was not developed by Apple but Apple was the first to use it for manufacturing laptop chassis. The benefits are questionable (caused creation of entire MacBook body protection industry) but Apple likes to be unique even at the expense of quality because this helps their PR.

At the expense of quality? This is far and beyond the best built laptop I've ever used, touched, or serviced. What exactly is your downside of the unibody design? :confused:
 
In what way are the benefits of unibody questionable? It seems to make the whole chassis stronger and more rigid.

Unless you mean the process? They must've worked out that by rolling large pieces of flatbar, cutting blocks then machining was more efficient than casting each laptop and machining down to size.
 
Going back to the Blu-ray, hopefully Steve will change his mind about including it, especially now that the Star Wars films have been announced.

On the other hand, he COULD make a good case for downloads by reminding everyone that Jar-Jar Binks is a bag of hurt... ;):D
 
At the expense of quality? This is far and beyond the best built laptop I've ever used, touched, or serviced. What exactly is your downside of the unibody design? :confused:

It's not a bad technology but as you know all to well, it's easily scratches and dents (compared to magnesium alloy). It's not as light as carbon fiber. Just look at what Sony did with VAIO Z - way lighter than MBP.
 
In what way are the benefits of unibody questionable? It seems to make the whole chassis stronger and more rigid.

Its questionable because quality non unibody laptops dont have structural problems to begin with.

Unibody is the best way to make a chassis rigid on something as small as a laptop if you're going to make it out of aluminum because it is so soft to begin with compared to a magnesium alloy or carbon fiber or even plastic.

Notice how a Vaio Z weighs the same as a macbook air and its got a whole lot more stuff in it?
 
Let's see...

DVI - Digital Visual Interface (DVI) is a video interface standard developed by an industry consortium, the Digital Display Working Group (DDWG). DDWG was organized by Intel Corporation, Silicon Image, Inc., Compaq Computer Corp., Fujitsu Limited, Hewlett-Packard Company, IBM Corp., and NEC Corporation.

DisplayPort is a digital display interface standard put forth by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) since 2006.

WiFi n - IEEE 802.11n-2009 is an amendment to the IEEE 802.11-2007 wireless networking standard to improve network throughput over the two previous standards — 802.11a and 802.11g. Companies like Broadcom, design and manufacture chips for WIFi, Apple and other computer makes simply stick them into computers. Not much innovation there.

Unibody - once again, the process was not developed by Apple but Apple was the first to use it for manufacturing laptop chassis. The benefits are questionable (caused creation of entire MacBook body protection industry) but Apple likes to be unique even at the expense of quality because this helps their PR.

Multitouch - gain, not developed by Apple, but Apple was the first to use it for mobile phone. Apple definitely deserves credits here.

FireWire - Invented by Apple. Licensed to Sony. Improved by both and several others (see FireWire 800)

Mini-DisplayPort - Invented by Apple, and, wait a minute..., there's one more thing: I'm digging how many overpriced cable solutions we're selling! Woohoo! :mad: Coulda made a fortune selling those bumpers if it hadn't been for those pansies at Consumer Reports... :mad:
 
Best post here, but most of people are too blind to understand this. Much more easy is insulting Jobs. This is the proof people don't know what they want/need.

A crappy, proprietary, slow, mechanical, easy to broke, incredible space consuming in our computers, bluray? No thanks.

As someone already pointed out, every Apple computer but the Macbook Air already ships with an optical disc drive -- just one that doesn't support the latest technology.

This is thinking ahead? Put down the kool aid. Apple is selling OLD technology and not only is it NOT thinking ahead, it isn't even current. The Mac Pro in general, and video cards contained within specifically, are another example.

Apple were the first or on of the first to add to a commercial line of pruducts many technologies. Probably Apple is the single hardware company which innovate most.
DVI, display port, wifi n, unibody, multitouch, backlitkeys, led... and go on.
Bluray is optical technology, is already old.

Yes, much more important to have an unnecessary new display connect when we already have HDMI, and backlit keys, than 1080p movies with lossless sound.

You are confusing the message with the messenger. Despite the fact that you dislike optical discs, it's the best way to distribute 50GB of content, and the message which it bears, 1080p movies with lossless sound, is light years better than the poorly encoded, compressed-to-hell quasi-HD garbage Apple sells in its lieu. I thought the whole point of a download world is that physical media doesn't matter, it's the content contained on it that matters. This is true, but only if the quality of the two is comparable. This axiom has been twisted into a fetishism for not having physical media and accepting garbage quality content.

I'm all for banishing physical media, but only if quality levels are maintained at acceptable file sizes. Any CDs I own have been losslessly ripped and banished to a corner in my basement. I'm OK with that because having ALACs is as good as having the CD. Not only does Apple not officially support this model with DVD, but it doesn't even include Blu-Ray in the ecosystem. This is where they broke with the music model in iTunes. Imagine if they didn't allow you to rip your own CDs. The 14 year olds who never bought CDs would be OK with building a library of $.99 iTunes songs but the rest of the user base, which is the majority, would have balked.

I really find it funny that people are so convinced inferior quality is a superior product. "Good enough" is the new "Think Different", indeed.
 
I'm all for banishing physical media, but only if quality levels are maintained at acceptable file sizes. Any CDs I own have been losslessly ripped and banished to a corner in my basement. I'm OK with that because having ALACs is as good as having the CD. Not only does Apple not officially support this model with DVD, but it doesn't even include Blu-Ray in the ecosystem. This is where they broke with the music model in iTunes. Imagine if they didn't allow you to rip your own CDs. The 14 year olds who never bought CDs would be OK with building a library of $.99 iTunes songs but the rest of the user base, which is the majority, would have balked.

I really find it funny that people are so convinced inferior quality is a superior product. "Good enough" is the new "Think Different", indeed.

Very well said. HD does not necessarily equate HD, and even specific content in, let's say 720p, does not guarantee that you're getting the very same content at the same quality, even if you are also getting it in 720p HD. It depends on the source where your 720p content is coming from, as the method of encoding can result in your 720p content to be of significantly different quality. There are a lot of compromises that can be made, such as the compression rate or how big a file you want to end up with, and these compromises and decisions are made for you. Why? To keep it simple, and because we want instant gratification, perhaps now more than ever.

This comes at a cost, of course. Most people don't really know the difference between how their movie experience will be different in 720p as opposed to 1080p, except that the higher number makes you feel better and therefore is likely going to give you a better viewing experience.
 
This is ridiciculous. Some people have no idea about the future of Blu-ray.

Blu-ray isn't going anywhwere for a long time because the content providers will not distribute 1080p content on anything else. Especially now that it looks like 3D will be the next big thing, movies are only going to get bigger. hence the reason for 100 GB BDXL specification.

Apple can't do anything about it because apple doesn't own a movie studio, simple as that.

If apple wants to compete in the living room, Jobs needs to adopt blu-ray because google TV is going to be on everything - TVs, set top boxes, and blu-ray disc players.
 
But, movies in Blu-Ray are dropped dead stunning in 1080i.Simply blows 720P
Out of the water.I suppose, if Steve stayed home more and actually watched movies, he'd know that:rolleyes:.
Hey, he's a genius, just not in all things, and my wife thinks Im an opinionated jerk, glad to know there are two of us ;)
 
wreckshop said:
This is ridiciculous. Some people have no idea about the future of Blu-ray.

Blu-ray isn't going anywhwere for a long time because the content providers will not distribute 1080p content on anything else. Especially now that it looks like 3D will be the next big thing, movies are only going to get bigger. hence the reason for 100 GB BDXL specification.

Apple can't do anything about it because apple doesn't own a movie studio, simple as that.

If apple wants to compete in the living room, Jobs needs to adopt blu-ray because google TV is going to be on everything - TVs, set top boxes, and blu-ray disc players.
NOPE, I am NOT sitting around my living room in Clark Kent glasses;)
 
I'm ok with this. I have exactly three films on Blu-Ray: Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Cloverfield. They are very good, and hi-def really helps them, but I don't miss not being able to watch them on my 13" screen.
 
FireWire - Invented by Apple. Licensed to Sony. Improved by both and several others (see FireWire 800)
Sony was one of the partners that worked on IEEE 1394 (as were Texas Instruments, IBM, etc.,) along with Apple. Apple's brand name for it is FireWire and Sony doesn't want to pay royalties for that brand name which is why they use the name i.Link.


Lethal
 
The problem for me is download limits. An HD movie through xbox live or PSN is several gigs.

Agreed. I'd start paying for my movies (rentals) if my MBP 15" had a BR drive I could watch movies on.

But can't we just open the thing up and put one in? Doesn't anyone make BR drives with drivers for the Mac? I was kind of hoping it just meant they wouldn't include a BR drive any time soon... Please tell me I'm right and that you CAN put one in, yourself.
 
Do external blu-ray drives which can be connected to a Mac exist? Yes.
Can these drives be used to burn blu-ray discs? Yes.
Can these drives be used to watch movies? Erm....no.

That's the issue, Apple will not include the capability for blu-ray playback in the operating system, so unless you feel like going though some sort of long bizarre way, such as spending a few hours ripping the disc and converting it, you're outta luck.
 
This is thinking ahead? Put down the kool aid. Apple is selling OLD technology and not only is it NOT thinking ahead, it isn't even current. The Mac Pro in general, and video cards contained within specifically, are another example.
Sadly this is so true. :(
With the "not having enough space" argument being redundant regarding the Mac Pro, there is NO REASON not to offer the following state-of-the-art technologies, which sometimes come already out of the box with lower priced desktop PC's:
eSata, USB 3.0. plus optional Nvidia high end graphics and BTO bluRay drive/burner options.
 
That's why I said "unless you feel like going though some sort of long bizarre way" possible but as far as I know, not easy.

Admitidly I haven't used The MKV+VLC method, but I read instructions somewhere and they mentioned all kinds of weird things like going through a HTML file to find the largest file and then doing something else.
 
That's why I said "unless you feel like going though some sort of long bizarre way" possible but as far as I know, not easy.

Admitidly I haven't used The MKV+VLC method, but I read instructions somewhere and they mentioned all kinds of weird things like going through a HTML file to find the largest file and then doing something else.
i dont see it as a "long bizarre way", but i guess our opinions differ - any anyway, its A way to do it. better then what apple gives us (nothing).

You cannot play BDs properly with this method, only the contained clips.
care to elaborate on this for me cube? ive yet to have problems..
 
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