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if you didnt read my intentions correctly (or i didnt write them good enough, need sleep) - i said that Apple HAS made the correct choice giving said quality of the iTunes store for the majority of users. i agreed with you!

i then added that it would be nice if Apple could add a "prosumer" version for us OCD users :D ;)

Yeah, sorry. I realised that after I posted it.

But Apple downloads are already overpriced. The prices for a "superHD" version would be ridiculous!

Was in the States last week watching DirectTV. That seemed to be a lot more compressed than AppleTV.

C.
 
Yeah, sorry. I realised that after I posted it.

But Apple downloads are already overpriced. The prices for a "superHD" version would be ridiculous!

Was in the States last week watching DirectTV. That seemed to be a lot more compressed than AppleTV.

C.

no problems :) how did the DirectTV pricing compare to the :apple:TV versions? ive never heard of DirectTV - australia doesnt really have any services similar to these :(
 
no problems :) how did the DirectTV pricing compare to the :apple:TV versions? ive never heard of DirectTV - australia doesnt really have any services similar to these :(

DirectTV is a TiVO like box (and satellite TV service) I think.
The content was a lot of SD and HD television channels.

My point is that consumers are used to heavily compressed HD that looks much more artefact prone than the AppleTV.

C.
 
DirectTV is a TiVO like box (and satellite TV service) I think.
The content was a lot of SD and HD television channels.
ahh, i see!

My point is that consumers are used to heavily compressed HD that looks much more artefact prone than the AppleTV.

C.
duly noted, and thats completely right! i have no argument there what-so-ever, the consumer doesnt demand it, so the :apple:TV doesnt need it.

in saying that, what happens to the higher end users that Apple has spend its whole life trying to bring to their systems? one would think that BluRay would be that perfect answer for those users, especially if they wont give them that option on their already existing systems (AppleTV).
 
I haven't used optical drives in 11 years. I always replace whatever optical drive comes with any computer I've owned with a second hard drive for more capacity. Don't need or want Bluray or DVD. I've only ever streamed/downloaded. If I could do something about my iMac's Not-so-SuperDrive, I would. It will never see any use and I watch approx. one movie per day, i.e. hundreds every year, most in 1080p or 720p Bluray. :D :apple:
 
I haven't used optical drives in 11 years. I always replace whatever optical drive comes with any computer I've owned with a second hard drive for more capacity. Don't need or want Bluray or DVD. I've only ever streamed/downloaded. If I could do something about my iMac's Not-so-SuperDrive, I would. It will never see any use and I watch approx. one movie per day, i.e. hundreds every year, most in 1080p or 720p Bluray. :D :apple:

put in an SSD? :confused: :)
 
put in an SSD? :confused: :)

Yes, exactly. As I said, no optical drives on 13 ThinkPads in 11 years; always replaced optical drives with hard drives. The last 2 1/2 years, I've been using the Intel X25-M 80GB SSD in the main bay (well, actually its 1.8" version, the X18-M 80GB) and I would LOVE to replace the SuperDrive with an SSD. (btw, for those who care, the Gen. 3 drives will be coming up in Q4 2010 or early 2011 and they will be 25nm drives with capacities up to 600GB for the 2.5" and 300GB for the 1.8 inchers; they'll be even faster and some will also feature encryption; Yikes!)

Anyway, I'm definitely sold on Intel, but outside of sending my iMac into OWC, there is no real way to plug in even a super-thin and super-small 1.8" SSD into an iMac, is there...? I hear the SSD's that Apple uses are not the greatest performance-wise and most definitely not price-wise. Does anyone know which brand Apple uses?
 
Riiight. Poor me. I'm stuck with "stupid" 720p whatever shall I do? I know! Watch the movie. :rolleyes:

Hey, how about you pull out your VHS tapes recorded from TBS, that will be great too, since you're satisfied with inferior quality!

(By the way the movies aren't, and probably won't be, available on the iTunes movie store in the first place, let alone in even Apple's crappy low-bitrate 720p -- keep your outdated optical disc handy).

I haven't used optical drives in 11 years. I always replace whatever optical drive comes with any computer I've owned with a second hard drive for more capacity. Don't need or want Bluray or DVD. I've only ever streamed/downloaded. If I could do something about my iMac's Not-so-SuperDrive, I would. It will never see any use and I watch approx. one movie per day, i.e. hundreds every year, most in 1080p or 720p Bluray. :D :apple:

Thank God other people who actually have Blu-Ray drives and probably PCs are doing your ripping for you Mr. pirate; and be grateful you don't have the same bandwidth caps others do while you are stealing your content :rolleyes:
 
Hey, how about you pull out your VHS tapes recorded from TBS, that will be great too, since you're satisfied with inferior quality!

(By the way the movies aren't, and probably won't be, available on the iTunes movie store in the first place, let alone in even Apple's crappy low-bitrate 720p -- keep your outdated optical disc handy).

Huh?! Both 720p and 1080p are considered HD. Sure, 1080p may be better, but who cares! It isn't always about how good the picture looks. Otherwise we would have given up on VHS the minute DVD came around. Nope we just had hybrid players.
 
Nope we just had hybrid players.

To be fair, hybrid players are not really linked to DVD adoption. The reason I used a hybrid player was because some of the films I owned were not yet available on DVD. Either because the film wasn't all that popular and so distributers were not in a rush to put it onto disc, or perhaps due to rights issues, I seem to remember a few films were delayed in coming to DVD because of that (wasn't eraserhead held up over this for awhile?). Star Wars is another perfect example, for years the only way to see the original non so special editions was on a VHS copy from the early nineties.

Even when I had stopped buying tapes, the spectre of VHS stuck around me.
 
Huh?! Both 720p and 1080p are considered HD. Sure, 1080p may be better, but who cares! It isn't always about how good the picture looks. Otherwise we would have given up on VHS the minute DVD came around. Nope we just had hybrid players.
I started hating that dreadful VHS the minute Laserdiscs came along, but I could no longer enjoy the big discs the same way when DVD's became available. Now with BluRay around, I find DVD's not that exciting anymore either. I would only spend more than 10 bucks for one if said movie were unavailable in BD.
I find iTS SD movies of such outdated inferior quality, they seem like a waste of hard disk space and time even. I wouldn't bother with them if they were free! And iTS HD at BD prices (!?!?) is nothing but a bad joke as well.

While always being interested in film and moviemaking, I didn't start shooting videos until DV came along. The low quality of Hi8 was so much of a turnoff, that working with such an inferior format seemed like a total waste of time.

But that's just me. A very visual person working in a visual profession, always going for the best picture quality available I might afford.

If you truly care about something, aiming lower than for the best quality you can get, seems like working against your own nature.
No matter whether you are a movie buff, car nut, computer freak or passionate skier.

Unfortunately Apple doesn't care much about movies anymore...

Sadly "Good enough" has become Apple's new "Think different".
 
Huh?! Both 720p and 1080p are considered HD. Sure, 1080p may be better, but who cares! It isn't always about how good the picture looks. Otherwise we would have given up on VHS the minute DVD came around. Nope we just had hybrid players.

People who buy TVs care? If they didn't care about 1080P, why are 1080P TVs so popular?
 
Physical media is on the way out. Sure, right now you can't get the highest quality video from streamed sources, but I think within the next 5 years with faster access and better streaming technology, we'll be there. I don't even buy physical media anymore. iPad for books/audiobooks, magazines, Netflix, Hulu, iTunes. For me, I have zero need for Blu-Ray. On top of that, unless you have a large screen to playback the content, it's really pointless on a laptop.

Forget Blu-Ray Steve, and put your efforts into better technologies.
Best post here, but most of people are too blind to understand this. Much more easy is insulting Jobs. This is the proof people don't know what they want/need.

A crappy, proprietary, slow, mechanical, easy to broke, incredible space consuming in our computers, bluray? No thanks.
 
Best post here, but most of people are too blind to understand this. Much more easy is insulting Jobs. This is the proof people don't know what they want/need.

A crappy, proprietary, slow, mechanical, easy to broke, incredible space consuming in our computers, bluray? No thanks.

So how do you propose to distribute 50GB movies?
 
I wonder why Apple won't support Blu-Ray? Also why does Apple take so long to adopt new technologies. They also take for every to get new graphics cards for the mac pro, they're like a generation behind.
Apple were the first or on of the first to add to a commercial line of pruducts many technologies. Probably Apple is the single hardware company which innovate most.
DVI, display port, wifi n, unibody, multitouch, backlitkeys, led... and go on.
Bluray is optical technology, is already old.
 
incredible space consuming

I believe I have the solution to your problem http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/9014486/Case-Logic-CDW-320-320-Disc-CD-DVD-Wallet/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:9014486%7Ccat:Consumables ta-dah!

Seriously though, how much space do DVDs and blu-ray really take up? I know people living in shoebox apartments who have no problem, so this seems like a nonissue to me.

But hey, if you really want to talk about space hogging you should try film, I just got a shipment of it today, 100ft of the stuff is about one minute of footage.
 
This thing about low-bit-rate 720p being 'good enough' is ludicrous. Why even bother with Apple's selection of psudeo-HD at all then? Why not just buy standard def downloads or DVDs if you don't really care about quality? I think that's what annoys me about Apple's political stance over this the most, the idea that they can't be happy selling standard def movies as downloads and supporting Blu-ray for those who want quality, rather they think that by selling slightly higher resolution movies they can call them HD and essentially trick the general public into thinking there's no real difference between a 'HD' iTunes movie and a Blu-ray in terms of quality, then use that as an excuse that low-bit-rate 720p is 'good enough'. And it's just all about market positioning, not providing customers with quality products.

I think there's an inherent danger for Apple in following a 'good enough' policy when it known by many as a luxury, quality, 'better than plain 'good enough' ' brand. If all of Apple's products came from a place with that attitude of settling for mediocrity then maybe we'd all be using Windows PCs.

I haven't used optical drives in 11 years. I always replace whatever optical drive comes with any computer I've owned with a second hard drive for more capacity. Don't need or want Bluray or DVD. I've only ever streamed/downloaded. If I could do something about my iMac's Not-so-SuperDrive, I would. It will never see any use and I watch approx. one movie per day, i.e. hundreds every year, most in 1080p or 720p Bluray. :D :apple:

That's nice for you. I have no problem with what you do. But why shouldn't people who want to have Apple support Blu-ray get that if that's what they want? If Apple were to make optical drives BTO in the Apple Store I'd have no problem with that either if the BTO options included OS-level supported Blu-ray drives and movie playback. But Jobs is obsessed with his rubbish iTunes movies and serving mediocrity now instead just waiting a few years to sell quality. And the willing guinea pigs (the ones with fast connections and fairplay compatible devices at least)) are running to him saying 'yes please uncle Steve, serve me rubbish downloads now so I can buy better ones again for an upgrade fee later!!'

Bluray is optical technology, is already old.

Says the user with "Amiga News.it THE italian Amiga portal" i their sig :lol: (no offence, I loved the Amiga).

Yes, optical technology is old. But so is the internet. So we're just talking about newer versions of old technology. Great.


Love 'em or hate 'em, the Holy Grail of movie franchises, the one that makes or breaks a format in many people's eyes --

Star Wars was just announced for release on Blu-Ray.

But fret not, I'm sure they will look just fantastic in 720p from the iTunes Movie Store.

As much as I'm in the Blu-ray supporting camp, I think this news should not necessarily be used to support either side of the debate. As a fan of the films I am hugely excited that some of my favourite films will be for sale in the highest quality widely and realistically available. However, it could (and probably has been) noted that Lucas has likely calculated that the end of 2011 is the point where Blu-ray market share reaches the point that will make him the most money from a release. Star Wars on DVD took a while. Widescreen Star Wars on VHS took a while. But Star Wars was also available on Laserdisc and VCD, so by itself it isn't an argument to say the format has made it.

However, I think Blu-ray has already made it, and is already much bigger than Laserdisc or VCD ever was - indeed in many ways Blu-ray has come remarkably close to the performance of DVD at the same point in its life.

Having said that, direct comparisons are not fair ones between those two formats (DVD and BD) because of several key differences - there is the knowledge that downloads will eventually take over, however premature Jobs is being about it, but there's also the fact the Blu-ray players are almost all backwards compatible with DVDs, meaning that they are likely to remain as both legacy media players as well as serving those who want quality sometime into downloads rise as the dominant format.

So it's great that Star Wars has been announced for Blu-ray, and it further makes Jobs' comments about Blu-ray being some niche product utterly daft, but at the same time it perhaps isn't in itself a sign that Blu-ray has proven itself, other than to Lucasfilm. I expect it will shift a lot of Blu-ray players though, and then there's still the extended editions of Lord of the Rings to come. I still think Jobs will do a U-turn on Blu-ray before we ever see 1080p downloads in the iTunes store as standard.
 
Best post here, but most of people are too blind to understand this.

You're mistaken. Optical media are here for at least another decade, perhaps more.

Much more easy is insulting Jobs. This is the proof people don't know what they want/need.

Jobs won't support Blu-ray for a variety of reasons, but perhaps most significantly is its intrusive nature in the operating system.

A crappy, proprietary, slow, mechanical, easy to broke, incredible space consuming in our computers, bluray? No thanks.

Optical media will be continued to be used because it gives the Studios virtually all the control of manufacturing and distribution. There is no other technological mechanism on the horizon that will replace it. The Studios are afraid of Apple because of the perceived loss in the music market. (Whether that perception is real or not is another discussion.)
 
i've Netflix streaming for the last 2 months

the quality is horrible on a 47" TV
the selection is pretty bad as well

just bought a PS3 and will rent blu ray's for my wife and I to watch and probably buy a few for our son. don't plan on much gaming, mostly blu ray and youtube
 
Hey, how about you pull out your VHS tapes recorded from TBS, that will be great too, since you're satisfied with inferior quality!

(By the way the movies aren't, and probably won't be, available on the iTunes movie store in the first place, let alone in even Apple's crappy low-bitrate 720p -- keep your outdated optical disc handy).



Thank God other people who actually have Blu-Ray drives and probably PCs are doing your ripping for you Mr. pirate; and be grateful you don't have the same bandwidth caps others do while you are stealing your content :rolleyes:

I don't pirate movies. I just don't use optical drives. I never really did when there weren't Bluray drives either. CD's? Nope. Never owned a CD or DVD player, except whatever came with the computers that I have owned. I remember when there weren't USB flash drives and when Windows was so painfully slow to install from CD's and later DVD. To the extent that it was possible, I would copy the source files to my hard drive and install it from there. That's not piracy. I did so with all of my software. Thankfully, it has been bootable flash drives for a while since.

I agree with your take on iTunes and the (lack of) quality content. Netflix is great but I don't stream it either for that very reason.


That's nice for you. I have no problem with what you do. But why shouldn't people who want to have Apple support Blu-ray get that if that's what they want? If Apple were to make optical drives BTO in the Apple Store I'd have no problem with that either if the BTO options included OS-level supported Blu-ray drives and movie playback. But Jobs is obsessed with his rubbish iTunes movies and serving mediocrity now instead just waiting a few years to sell quality. And the willing guinea pigs (the ones with fast connections and fairplay compatible devices at least)) are running to him saying 'yes please uncle Steve, serve me rubbish downloads now so I can buy better ones again for an upgrade fee later!!'

Yea, it's another "We won't put Flash on iPhone/iPad" psychobabble BS, professionally marketed as some kind of religion. Luckily, I could care less about Flash on my iPhone either. I would, however, like to see an eSATA port or, better yet, USB 3.0 on my iMac, but at the end of the day, for what I do, USB 2.0 speeds are enough for me.

(P.S.: I loved my Amiga 500, and later 3000, too. ;) )
 
Ah, forget it. People are whining and fighting over one person's choice on a disk format. If you guys want Bluray so bad maybe you should get a PC laptop or desktop. Oh that's right. Anywayz, if I wind up getting a either that just so happens to have such player, then great! Doesn't mean I'm suddenly throw away perfectly good DVDs just because there not 1080p HD.
 
I haven't used optical drives in 11 years. I always replace whatever optical drive comes with any computer I've owned with a second hard drive for more capacity. Don't need or want Bluray or DVD.
How do you install software without optical drive?
Apple does not sell its sotware in other than optical discs.
I have never owned of used SSD.
Should I be screaming to people that uses them, that SSD is dead and should not exist?
I've only ever streamed/downloaded. If I could do something about my iMac's Not-so-SuperDrive, I would. It will never see any use and I watch approx. one movie per day, i.e. hundreds every year, most in 1080p or 720p Bluray. :D :apple:
You don't pirate or use optical drives, but stream/download 1080p or 720p blu-ray?
How is that possible?
From your friend's optical drive?

Btw guys,
have you totally missed this:
http://www.cultofmac.com/could-combined-blu-ray-ssd-drive-be-the-future-of-apple-laptops/45191
?
 
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