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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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I'm a wedding videographer that edits and authors on a Mac. I'd like Steve Jobs to tell my brides that the future of their wedding video is in downloads.

They are requesting BD, and I'll give it to them one way or another. :mad:
 
Ledley42 said:
The general public does not know, understand, or even care about the difference between 720 and 1080. They here HD, and its good enough for them. Its not about having the best, its about appearing to have the best. There is a reason so many people by the 50" Sanyo from Walmart, they want to say they have a HD TV.
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Of course the general public knows and cares and understands (to some degree) the difference between 720p and 1080p. If they didnt manufacturers wouldnt market 1080p as a feature at all.

The reason why people buy that 720p tv from walmart is because it's cheap. I guarantee u that if u had 2 same size TVs and the only diff between both was one was 1080p and the other 720p, the vast majority of the time people will pick the 1080p TV as long as the premium was within their budget.
 
albusseverus said:
iMovie has been creating HD movies for 'the rest of us' since 2005. Sony was putting BD burners in Vaios in 2005. Jobs just won't because he's obsessed with downloads. It's not a case of either/or, Steve. You need to do both to cover your commercial arse!
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Another good point, for those who are in the movie business, Final Cut Pro (and Avid for PC) are great tools and standards. Final Cut Pro supports high-definition video, but sadly Apple will not allow that data to be burned and played as a movie on Blu-Ray data. Doesn't add up.
 
Butts M Biggilo said:
I dont think Bluray is taking off. Its stagnant isnt it?
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According to Neilsen Videoscan, Blu-ray's share of the optical disc market hit an all-time high of 22%, with almost $135 Million in sales in in the month of April, 2010. And smaller studios now account for almost 40% of the Blu-ray discs being released (Studios other than Disney, Fox, Lionsgate, MGM, Paramount, Sony, Warner and Universal).
 
MisterK said:
I agree that Blu-Ray is probably on the way out already. There's not really much more reason for it to pick up much steam. We've seen the big feature (1080p) and it's really good.. just not better enough. This is coming from someone who bought a PS3, by the way... and a few Blu-Ray movies. The convenience of all digital with Hard Drive can't be beat, though. Since I moved into my new place the PS3 is staying in the Garage. I think it would be good if those who want to do backups to Blu-Ray would have some way of doing that on their Macs, but I'm not here to speak on other peoples' behalf.

For me, Blu-Ray is done. I got excited for a bit, but it's not different enough from DVDs to warrant re-buying all my favourite movies. Digital is the future. I have no doubt about that.

The iPod, iPhone, iPad and my computers are helping me get rid of all my physical movies, CDs, magazines, newspapers, and books. My place looks way better without them all and I never have to get up to choose a new one.

Again, I think it would be nice for there to be some options on the Mac side for people who are dying for this stuff, but there is the option not to go Mac. We always new it was Steve Jobs' baby and I think that the inventor should get to choose the direction of his invention. We may not always agree, but we can choose not to buy what he's selling. I'd hate for others to dictate how I ran my business.
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But you will rebuy your collection in a digital format???
 
The problem I have with Steve in this case is that he's guiding is principles with money rather than what is best for the consumer over the next 5 years.

Right now and for the next 5 years, Blu-ray is the way to go for the highest quality movie experience.

The only reason Steve wants no part of that is purely financial reasons to maintain control of iTunes downloads.

If he truly cared about technology, a Blu-ray player would have been in his Macs last year.

Ethan
 
notabadname said:
Isn't that what a Mac is ? You can get blu-ray in an Acer now. Give me a break Steve. Oh, and why are you releasing the Pixar films on blu-ray if it is a dead-end format? Riddle me that Joker.
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Exactly! Disney is the BIGGEST supporter of blu-ray!!

Oh and for people who think blu-ray is on its way out, think again. If 3D is a hit with consumers (which it looks like it will be) the ONLY way that u will be able to watch those same movies at the the theaters in 3D at home is with blu-ray.
 
mixel said:
Steve Jobs wasn't the inventor of the Mac.
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you're right... steve jobs didn't invent ANYTHING.

he's not an inventor. he's not an originator.

he's a good manager, and has a talent for motivating/intimidating his workers into producing great things.

go read the "original mac" story... and it's pretty obvious that steve wasn't the smart one. he was just the guy who RECOGNIZED good stuff, and pushed it through to completion.

every guy at apple in those early days (first mac) was way, way smarter and more original than steve jobs. but... he's the guy with his eye on the prize. and so here we are.
 
Butts M Biggilo said:
Hes right. It will be a downloading format vs Bluray. Bluray hasnt been adopted quiickly, its slow and will possibly be skipped over. Blurays are unreasonably expensive (movies/players), why push a DOA avenue.
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What are you talking about?

Blu-ray is being adopted at more than twice the rate DVD was adopted.

DVD was not an overnight success. It took many many many years for the format to break 51% market share and overtake VHS.

Blu-ray is no more expensive than DVD was. Blu-ray disc prices started out the same as DVDs and now they're falling the same way DVD did. A new blu-ray disc now is only a couple of dollars more than a DVD. In fact, every Walmart I've been in recently has a very nice selection of $10 blu-ray discs.

Blu-ray disc players are well under the $200 mark now, with quite a few good ones dropping under $100 every now and then.
 
Butts M Biggilo said:
Hes right. It will be a downloading format vs Bluray. Bluray hasnt been adopted quiickly, its slow and will possibly be skipped over. Blurays are unreasonably expensive (movies/players), why push a DOA avenue.
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Blu-ray has won the war and will remain for the next decade, it'll get the de facto standard some time in the next few years once the price continues to drop. People seem to forget that the same thing happened to DVDs, in the beginning it wasn't taking off fast, too slow and too expensive. Once everything mature and prices got to reasonable levels, DVD started to take off. The same thing will happen once blu-ray get to that reasonable price level and it is already getting to that point. Start selling blu-ray players for under 100$, it'll take off much faster than ever.

Amazon has the latest Avatar blu-ray/DVD priced the same at 20$. There are a few 1080p blu-ray players around for 120$.

Now there are millions of HOH/deaf people who will not be buying or renting movies online simply because there's no subtitles and closed caption support in the online media streaming industry. Hulu doesn't have majority of their stuff captioned or subtitled, Netflix only have less than 2% of their whole streaming library captioned or subtitled and don't even get me started with iTunes/Amazon, they barely have more than 2 pages worth of movies. TV shows are even worse.

There's also the speed and bandwidth caps issue, not everybody has the connection to watch 720p movies or watch more than few of them in a month. It's not going to get any better over the next several years, fibre is far too expensive to push it rapidly to people and the congress isn't doing a thing about it. They're still arguing about network neutrality right now.


Long story short, Steve Jobs is thinking too optimistic about the online media.
 
Butts M Biggilo said:
I dont think Bluray is taking off. Its stagnant isnt it?
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BD adoption is faster that DVD adoption was at the same point in time in their existance. BD 3D is going to be huge. Take 30 minutes to download a crap version from the iTunes store or take 5 seconds to slip a disc in a BD player that a $600 PC has. Tough choice, if you had one. Just do what Steve says.
 
How nice of Steve Jobs to suggest that streaming HD content is the future now that AT&T has gotten rid of unlimited data plans. Steve must want us all to spend $100 a month to watch movies.
 
Optical the choice for records managers

Record managers associations, Secretary of State offices and many Archivists recognize Microfilm and Optical Media (CD, DVD and BD) as long term storage solutions. They do not recognize Hard Drives, USB thumb drives or SD cards as long term storage of important documents or other data.

Dont expect this to change anytime soon.

Other factors:

1. Many companies rate flash memory with an estimated lifespan of around 10 years. High quality name brand BD-R and BD-RE blank discs have an estimated lifespan of up to 100 years. Companies like Verbatim even offer lifetime warranties on all their blank Blu-ray disc media.

2. Blu-ray disc optical media and are immune to EMP's and magnetic fields. Tape, hard drives, and flash memory data can be destroyed by EMP's or strong magnetic fields. Blu-ray discs are ideal for storing critical government, business, and consumer computer data.

3. A 64GB SDXC card costs around $220 at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Secur...r_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276979935&sr =8-1

A quality name brand 50GB BD-R disc costs less then $12 and if one searches online under $10 prices can be found. http://www.mediamegamall.com/verbat...-nonhub-print-25pk-cakebox-96870-p-18389.html
 
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So could this point to no HDMI either?

The HDMI out in the new Mac Mini gives me some hope for an HDMI in in the next iMac, yet Apples logic points to a lesser ending to the HDMI hopes for the next iMac update..
 
Steve is making it harder and harder to justify purchasing a Mac again. First, he passes off hardware problems as non-issues. Then OSX and the Mac platform is completely ignored at WWDC. Now he's refusing to support new technology. I'm really going to consider switching back to Windows if this is the future of the Mac platform.
 
Think it through people....

This has nothing to do with Digital vs. Blu-ray. NOTHING.

Let's say he puts a Blu-ray player in a Mac Mini. Now it gives everyone a reason to hook their Mac Mini up to their TV and instead of buying lower quality 720p digital copies on iTunes, users will go out an buy a Blu-ray with higher quality and better features for the same price down the street. Or they'll just rent it from Netflix for next to nothing. Will everyone do this? No. But a lot will, especially with Blu-ray really striking big right now.

Steve looses out. He looses out on HD purchase. He looses out on HD rentals. He looses out because Apple TV is now a dead product for the future.

He looses MONEY and CONTROL. That's what this is about.

Ethan
 
Blu Ray is a waste, the movies cost more and a player on a mac would drive apple computers and labtop prices up by at least $100
 
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