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Again, PC's look great on paper until you use one. This is getting off topic. This thread is about the discussion of why SJ is not putting BD in Macs. And I've stated many times that it is because streaming is the future. In my use case I watch more movies via AOD and Netflix. I am not disagreeing that BD is not a great picture quality. I just find streaming more convenient. In the end, the majority will also choose the more convenient form factor. Thus BD will go the way of T-Rex.

so you backup your off topic claim by attempting to go back on topic?

face it, you are wrong. a custom built PC will pwn any mac - for half the price.

in any case, i somewhat agree. streaming goes ok - but physical media is still massive (and will remain so).
 
face it, you are wrong. a custom built PC will pwn any mac - for half the price.

I can't say for sure as I am not familiar with the fastest customized Mac pros but I have seen some very fast custom PC's. Take this custom PC for example. It is lightning fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26enkCzkJHQ

That is more power than I will ever need. But then again I am not a video or photo professional. My C2D's are fast enough for my LAMP development.
 
Worth the trouble?
Computers in general are used to lessen the trouble.

I actually get a chuckle out of those saying "is it worth the trouble?".

<sarcasm>No, popping a Blu-Ray disc in is too much trouble. It would be much easier to buy a Windows PC, rip a copy of the BD to DVD, then take that in my MacBook. OR pay for the same content twice by getting it on iTunes.</sarcasm>
No, you chaps misunderstood that... so i'll clarify: Is it worth the trouble for Apple to build BD versions of their products just to please a few whiners? Should they retool their manufacturing and design departments just to cater to you?? Apparently not.



Then it would be really nice to watch bd movies on an aeroplane?
Oh right... because the ambient lighting and noise on a jet (aeroplane?) are just perfect for viewing ultra-super-mega-maxi high quality media. Good point.




I think what's mindboggling is that this thread is still going.

There is nothing surprising about Jobs apologists telling users of this forum why they're wrong to want a feature.
Who told whom that they were "wrong to want BD"? Can you quote the actual post... or are you just fabricating bovine flatulence?


You get the same morons defending Apple when they remove a feature like matte screens or firewire (on the smaller laptops) and you never hear them admit they were wrong to assert his Jobsness's infallibility when Apple deigns to bring back those features that so many people missed.

That's not mindboggling, Aiden, that's just par for the course.

I suspect Apple may be forced to adopt bluray in about 3 years time (by which time many professionals will have moved back to Avid and Linux/Windows), but that they can probably live without adopting it quite comfortably and keep shafting us the way they always have, safe in the knowledge that there will always be enough idiots fervent enough to argue their non-existent case.
What's "non-existent" are the points of view you've invented to post against. :rolleyes: [else, quote the person directly... instead of chatting it up with Aiden as an aside, in typical troll fashion.] Looks to me like you're overreacting to hallucinations or something.



I believe what you are talking about is cognitive dissonance. It is very interesting to watch...
True... unless of course one's perception of what's actually happening is mistaken. In which case, "cognitive dissonance" merely becomes a pseudo-intellectual term which doesn't (properly) apply to the current situation.



First, people seem to be forgetting that buying the drive isn't enough as OSX will not play back a Blu-Ray movie.

Second, think about scenarios other than your own, please quit it with the 15" screen nonsense. What about someone with a 30" cinema display? Or a 27" iMac? Or someone trying to use a Mac Mini as a HTPC on a 70" HDTV?

Third, why do they include DVD Player if nobody wants to watch a movie on their laptop, huh?

I have a stand-alone Blu-Ray player, I also have a PS3. But my preferred method of watching is on a HOME THEATER PC because it's the best way to bring together all my media sources, web, digital, and physical. Sadly, this can not be an Apple machine because they don't support Blu-Ray and until the very last refresh don't support multichannel audio over HDMI. Macs just aren't the best machine for being a home media entertainment device, and that's really sad. Everybody's image is the opposite, but Apple is not the best multimedia platform anymore. The noobs who think they're media savvy without really knowing what they're talking about are fooled enough.

That post is okay i guess. Still suffers slightly from the "anybody who doesn't care about Blu-ray is wrong, and therefore deserves my wrath" mentality.

In the end though, nothing's really getting accomplished here. Facts are one thing and opinions are another. Most people don't need their Mac to support BD... that's a fact, Jack. And calling them names will only result in more posts from me.
 
No, you chaps misunderstood that... so i'll clarify: Is it worth the trouble for Apple to build BD versions of their products just to please a few whiners? Should they retool their manufacturing and design departments just to cater to you?? Apparently not.

By "you", you mean a large group of people right? DVD is old tech. Pro Apple software ships on multiple discs, which is pretty amateur for Apple.

Blu-Ray is better than DVD. We should get it for the same reasons we got FW800 and USB2. It's just the next evolutionary step. And no, optical drives are not even close to dead yet - at least not for iMac/Mac Pro desktop computers.

Funny thing though... I don't remember Apple having the same "trouble" when my mum got her G3 PowerBook Pismo with a shiny new DVD-ROM drive over 10 years ago.

Like I said though, I'm happy to wait until DVD drives become so obsolete as to be more expensive than BD drives. Kind of like putting 20GB HDDs in Xboxes was a couple of years ago. My next desktop Mac will definitely have Blu-Ray. ;)
 
Blu Ray is a scam the movie industry has to sucker people into buying movies they bought on DVD & VHS. OTH I use Blu Ray for backups it's good for that but that's about it.
 
Blu Ray is a scam the movie industry has to sucker people into buying movies they bought on DVD & VHS. OTH I use Blu Ray for backups it's good for that but that's about it.

DVD was a scam to make people buy what they already had on VHS.

VHS was a scam to make people buy what they already had as books.

Books were a scam to make people buy stories they heard through hearsay.

I could go on with digital downloads->CD->cassette->vinyl, etc. Clearly every step in technology is a scam. Especially as you're forced to buy things twice. :rolleyes:
 

Are you Dwight Schrute? ;)

I watch BD's on my PS3 or dedicated Sony BD player.

Yes, that is what mac users (including me) end up doing. Too bad you were suggesting people get BD players for the mac.

I just ordered 8GB of RAM from OWC who also sells BD players for your Mac. If you want a BD player call OWC, they will take care of you.

Any fool can plop a blu-ray disc into a BD player. On the mac, it requires more work than that. And that is too bad, because everything else on Mac OS is so wonderfully simple.


Oh right... because the ambient lighting and noise on a jet (aeroplane?) are just perfect for viewing ultra-super-mega-maxi high quality media. Good point.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of your senses function properly. You can't see your laptop screen on a plane, and you can't hear anything on a plane. A couple of things to check to make sure you're OK:

Is your macbook screen bad?
Is your eyesight going?
Do you have bad headphones, or need noise canceling headphones?
Or is your hearing bad, too?

Seriously, don't worry about Blu-ray, don't worry about SD. I suspect you and Helen Keller have a couple of things in common.


You can burn blurays with Final Cut Pro.

Make any Blu-Ray interactive menus lately? :(
 
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I'm beginning to wonder if any of your senses function properly. You can't see your laptop screen on a plane, and you can't hear anything on a plane. A couple of things to check to make sure you're OK:

Is your macbook screen bad?
Is your eyesight going?
Do you have bad headphones, or need noise canceling headphones?
Or is your hearing bad, too?

Seriously, don't worry about Blu-ray, don't worry about SD. I suspect you and Helen Keller have a couple of things in common.
:rolleyes: Seriously, none of this is anywhere near as important as you're trying (a little too hard it would appear) to make it out to be. Apple needs to add BD, or folks can't watch movies in the skies??? :eek:

LMAO. :D
 
Well this really sucks. Being a movie fan I'd really have liked to have had Blu Ray on my iMac 21.5 with the perfect resolution for HD Video. Can you get a firewire Blu Ray drive or is it possible to change the drive in the imac?
 
Since he lost the "Bedrock" argument, he has to derail the argument to something else.

I didn't realize we were playing for points.

He's made some outrageous claims, and if he'd like to regain some credibility he needs to "find the time" to support his arguments with some facts.

More writing on the wall that streaming will surpass BD. And the article is from yesterday.

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com...ong-lament-from-a-struggling-institution.html
 
I was pointing out that BD players are indeed an option for those that claim BD is not an option on the Mac. Its called OWC (www.macsales.com).

Yes the hardware exists, too bad you can't plug it in and have it just work. You need non-Apple software to do that. THat's not an option, that's a hack. A matte screen on MacBook Pros is an option. A Radeon 5870 on a MacPro is an option.

:rolleyes: Seriously, none of this is anywhere near as important as you're trying (a little too hard it would appear) to make it out to be. Apple needs to add BD, or folks can't watch movies in the skies??? :eek:

Hmm, I think you're confused again and/or arguing with yourself. I believe you were the one crying about how you can't see or hear anything on a plane, and blu-ray wouldn't fix that. I was merely trying to get you to see a doctor for a checkup.

Why, oh why would you ever want less choice? Because you are insane! ;)
 
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I've never seen a blu-ray disc in person and would never use one personally... I'm getting by just fine without it (I realize some others won't feel the same way).

That said, I think the only reason they don't adopt blu-ray drives is because it would cut into their iTunes sales lol Steve is a pretty smart cookie though... we'll see...

I was right there with you, until I got an HDTV and hooked up my PS3 with an HDMI cable. Obviously, the DVD and Blu-Ray looked identical on my old TV, but I was amazed at the Blu-Ray improvement on my new TV. To me, it's worth the extra $0.50 at Redbox or the extra couple of dollars if I want to buy a movie (a lot of publishers are now giving you a free digital copy and DVD when you buy the Blu-Ray pack).
 
Hmm, I think you're confused again and/or arguing with yourself. I believe you were the one crying about how you can't see or hear anything on a plane, and blu-ray wouldn't fix that. I was merely trying to get you to see a doctor for a checkup.

Why, oh why would you ever want less choice? Because you are insane! ;)

I love that you're still beating on that old strawman so hard it's killing you. You obviously need to brush up on your reading comprehension. His point wasn't that he couldn't see anything on a plane, but that the suboptimal conditions, particularly the lighting and ambient noise, reduces the relative benefits of Bluray so as to be negligible, and thus there is no advantage to a Bluray movie, at least in terms of quality, when trying to watch the video on a plane.

Take what inferences you want from that, and please, no one try to argue with me using any other information because I'm not getting into this discussion as a whole, but that one piece of information apparently needed clarification because otherwise you were just going to beat that strawman into the ground and ignore the actual point completely.

jW
 
Microsoft ad jabs Apple; shows Mac envious of Windows 7’s Blu-ray

Read the comments in link below. I guess I am not alone in thinking that streaming will replace BD. The article is dated today 11/12/10. I can't get any more recent than that unless you give me a time machine.

Microsoft ad jabs Apple; shows Mac envious of Windows 7’s Blu-ray

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...pple_shows_mac_envious_of_windows_7s_blu-ray/


"If you are really worried about a Blu Ray player I have some other already-dead technologies to sell you. Plastic boxes are yesterday, kids."

"Wait, what? People still use physical media rather than streaming their movies? How quaint!"

"Look at the new Mac Book Air, no CD drive.... Microsoft it's called streaming. Duh!"
 
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