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You're a stupid, stupid, petty, vindictive, greedy, bitter old man, Steve.

Blu-ray Goes Beyond Movie Distribution With New Format



http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...eyond_movie_distribution_with_new_format.html

But I guess you'll just create your OWN proprietary format and extort users into accepting it (a la an 'iTunes 2').

DUDES!!

Think "SONY" not blue ray. Steve would have to pay for the rights to use it. Don't blame him. Plus flimsy discs will be absolute soon. With higher network speeds EVERYTHING will be download. Steve thinks in terms of the future.
 
DUDES!!

Think "SONY" not blue ray. Steve would have to pay for the rights to use it. Don't blame him. Plus flimsy discs will be absolute soon. With higher network speeds EVERYTHING will be download. Steve thinks in terms of the future.

But I bet that Steve Jobs is enjoying a good BR movie with 7.1 audio in his own home right now. You Apple fanboys? Enjoy iTunes :D
 
Tyler, TX
Whitehouse, TX
Georgetown, TX
Austin, TX
Amarillio, TX
Tulia, TX

Soon to be Lubbock, Midland, and alot more places in Texas. 100+down/6+up for $100/month(bundled).

Anything there better than 20 up? Between FiOS and Optimum Ultra here, i would pick 35/35 over 100/15 any day of the week.
 
Don't you all realize it has nothing to do with wanting to restrict your ability to play back blu-ray disks and everything to do with not being willing to compromise their operating system coding by building in all the protection that the content companies want?

I have clients that moved off of windows because of the copy protection being built so deep into the audio and video stacks in vista/7. It was screwing with their software in random ways.

I have no desire for apple to bend to the level of drm they want into the os itself. While I would love blu-ray drives for high density backup, it would be to confusing for consumers to have a blu-ray drive they couldn't play protected blu-ray disks in. External hard drives of 2+ TB are getting to be a better deal anyways.

Karl P
 
Broadband doesn't face the same constraints as wireless broadband. Broadband is only limited by infrastructure. Wireless is limited by the physical airwaves which are getting more and more crowded. Where as some cable/phone co are overhauling their entire back end and rolling out billions worth of new fiber.

Only in high density populated areas. Many millions of people don't live in areas profitable enough to warrant "rolling out fiber"

Streaming and low bit rates aren't for everyone. Quite frankly, DVD's and streaming video looks quite crapy in comparison to decent bluray on a 110" screen.
 
Blu-ray will die soon enough, but instead of just "downloading" everything as Steve suggests (since that obviously won't work for everyone), we'll move on to more solid state media: movies, music, etc, sold on flash drives and SD cards. They're faster than optical media, have higher storage capacities, take up less space, and can't be damaged as easily.
 
Anything there better than 20 up? Between FiOS and Optimum Ultra here, i would pick 35/35 over 100/15 any day of the week.

They are stingy on the ups, likely to prevent cheap server usage. I'd like more upstream but for most everyone people don't need upload.

I suspect with the push toward the clouds, upstream caps will rise, but thats probably 3-5 years out.
 
Tyler, TX
Whitehouse, TX
Georgetown, TX
Austin, TX
Amarillio, TX
Tulia, TX

Soon to be Lubbock, Midland, and alot more places in Texas. 100+down/6+up for $100/month(bundled).

Symmetric 100M up/down fiber in Tokyo for $50. Several years ago, I build video download server that ate up 3TB data/month.
 
Blu-ray will die soon enough, but instead of just "downloading" everything as Steve suggests (since that obviously won't work for everyone), we'll move on to more solid state media: movies, music, etc, sold on flash drives and SD cards. They're faster than optical media, have higher storage capacities, take up less space, and can't be damaged as easily.

And then SJ will find a reason not to play them on Macs (use iTunes). It's so sad when CEOs lie to customers
 
You can call Steve stupid and greedy, but last time I checked he just paraded Apple's market cap over Microsoft's (while taking no salary OR bonuses). He must be doing something right.

I think that has more to do with MSFT dropping from 600 billion to around 200 billion. It was just as much Microsoft doing things wrong, as it was Apple doing things right. I sorta doubt Apple will stay so high long term unless people don't wake up to what they are doing with their products. I don't see how people can spend so much money on so many faulty products.
 
Only in high density populated areas. Many millions of people don't live in areas profitable enough to warrant "rolling out fiber"

Streaming and low bit rates aren't for everyone. Quite frankly, DVD's and streaming video looks quite crapy in comparison to decent bluray on a 110" screen.

Tulia, TX and White House, TX, are hardly metropolises.

Tulia, TX Pop. ~5400
White House, TX Pop. ~7500

The avg consumer, the vast majority of people, don't even have a screen half that size. The avg consumer/vast majority of people sit 10' or more back from thier 42-48" TV. Business caters to the needs of the biggest market, people with 110" screens are far from the norm and probably always will be.
 
Symmetric 100M up/down fiber in Tokyo for $50. Several years ago, I build video download server that ate up 3TB data/month.

The US is far behind most of the modern world when it comes to broadband internet, for a variety of reasons.
 
I do not use the DVD as downloading movies, but do not you think downloading movies fullHD requires considerably more traffic (once in 5 more) that bad for your cash cost? Or you do not see fullHD, and happy DVD quality?

i have to be honest. i really just don't care. i'm not an HD video fanatic like some of the people here apparently are. i'm more of a music guy anyway.
 
I do wish we'd get BR, I for one much prefer to have physical media for backups, media, etc. maybe I'm alone but I don't want all my stuff "in the cloud" regardless if I have highspeed Internet and uncapped downloads/data I want my stuff with me not out on some server somewhere.
 
100mbit up - 33/month? Maybe it's time for me to move... 70 up is costing me 200 a month in NY.
200?? That's a total ripoff. It's what I pay for 6 months. If they charge prices like that, why on earth can't they afford to build the infrastructure for it? American companies really seem to be all about profit and no investments... In Europe, when they earn a bit of money they go "yay!" and run out and spend most of it on improving their services. The trick is competition... there are lots of players on the market. In Sweden alone we have three iPhone carriers... I bought mine unlocked for a few hundred bucks and I pay $15/month for voice/text + data up to 2 GB.

Anyway, here are some price examples...

Bredbandsbolaget ("the broadband company"... cheesy, I know)

100 Mbit fiber = $33/month
60 Mbit DSL = $40/month
10 Mbit 3G, unlimited data = $25/month


ComHem

100 Mbit cable = $40/month


Telia

2 Mbit 3G, 2 GB cap = $4/month
6 Mbit 3G, 6 GB cap = $18/month
80 Mbit 4G, 30 GB cap = $60/month
100 Mbit fiber = $30/month
1000 Mbit fiber = $102/month
 
A huge part of the reason why I don't bother with iTunes movie downloads is that a vast majority of them are NOT closed-captioned and/or subtitled for Deaf and hard of hearing folks like myself. Why should I support them in this regard?

This is why I continue to support the Blu-Ray format. They are consistently accessible in ways that iTunes movie downloads aren't.

It's not widely publicized, but Steve Jobs himself does have a hearing loss problem. That's why the first generation iPod was so loud (perfect for me but not for folks with normal hearing). He is one of some 25 million Americans with hearing loss. That kind of number has to mean something!

See this link about Steve Jobs's hearing loss (probably in the high-frequency range, which is usually the first to go when deafening starts).
http://www.macnn.com/articles/04/07/21/early.ipod.development/

We need to ***PUBLICIZE*** this fact and remind Mr. Jobs that he should do his part in making movies completely accessible to all. If he can knock the wind out of Flash, he can demand movie distributors provide ALL their titles with captions or they won't appear on his iTunes Movie Store.

Until then, DVDs and Blu-Rays will have to do!

Raymond Luczak
BOOKS * FILMS * PLAYS
http://www.raymondluczak.com/
 
Don't you all realize it has nothing to do with wanting to restrict your ability to play back blu-ray disks and everything to do with not being willing to compromise their operating system coding by building in all the protection that the content companies want?

I have clients that moved off of windows because of the copy protection being built so deep into the audio and video stacks in vista/7. It was screwing with their software in random ways.

I have no desire for apple to bend to the level of drm they want into the os itself. While I would love blu-ray drives for high density backup, it would be to confusing for consumers to have a blu-ray drive they couldn't play protected blu-ray disks in. External hard drives of 2+ TB are getting to be a better deal anyways.

Karl P

From the reactions, it's clear they don't get that part of the equation.
 
200?? That's a total ripoff. It's what I pay for 6 months. If they charge prices like that, why on earth can't they afford to build the infrastructure for it? American companies really seem to be all about profit and no investments... In Europe, when they earn a bit of money they go "yay!" and run out and spend most of it on improving their services. The trick is competition... there are lots of players on the market. In Sweden alone we have three iPhone carriers... I bought mine unlocked for a few hundred bucks and I pay $15/month for voice/text + data up to 2 GB.

Anyway, here are some price examples...

Bredbandsbolaget ("the broadband company"... cheesy, I know)

100 Mbit fiber = $33/month
60 Mbit DSL = $40/month
10 Mbit 3G, unlimited data = $25/month


ComHem

100 Mbit cable = $40/month


Telia

2 Mbit 3G, 2 GB cap = $4/month
6 Mbit 3G, 6 GB cap = $18/month
80 Mbit 4G, 30 GB cap = $60/month
100 Mbit fiber = 30/month

As you've already admitted, Sweden is more or less a socialists utopia. Don't lump in the rest of Europe with them either. It isn't like that in the majority of Europe. Especially for wireless data. Some European countries have broadband and cell service that is much more expensive than the US, other parts its on par, other parts its faster and cheaper. Then there is Sweden. In Asia, theres Japan. They share some of the same characteristics. Characteristics the US doesn't have.
 
Just for the record, I don't fit into this category Mr. Jobs. :rolleyes:

Mr. Jobs said:
sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over.

It's a shame too. I like Apple computers and have been wanting to make the shift from PCs for a couple of years.
 
Just for the record, I don't fit into this category Mr. Jobs. :rolleyes:


"sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."

It's a shame too. I like Apple computers and have been wanting to make the shift from PCs for a couple of years.

It's obvious from that quote Steve just doesn't get it.
 
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