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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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cmfilms said:
I'm a wedding videographer that edits and authors on a Mac. I'd like Steve Jobs to tell my brides that the future of their wedding video is in downloads.

They are requesting BD, and I'll give it to them one way or another. :mad:
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Perfect example (much better than mine). They might want to show the wedding to some relatives on their iPad, but BD is the real deal. The keeper. Downloads are disposable.

Jobs' "genius" is that he's convinced people to pay for disposable media. Not something I've ever wanted. I still buy discs. I never want to be one hard disk crash away from losing my media collection.

Jobs only wants you to "buy" downloads because it sells more Apple product. I just wish he believed BD would sell more Apple product, too.
 
Anuba said:
For which they added an external superdrive option plus the ability to borrow optical drives from nearby Macs, so clearly their confidence in the death of the optical drive wasn't all that strong.

Unsurprising, given that Apple still distributes their damn software on DVDs. For a company that pushes downloads as the future, when it comes to software they're more backwards than most. I can buy this monster package called Adobe CS5 Master Collection as a download, that's been an option for years. So... where are the ESD options for Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio? What, there are none? How about iWork? No? Well... surely at least Snow Leopard can be downloaded? Oops, guess not.
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Well, Apple is all about forward thinking and openness, except when they are not.

Examples
- Final Cut still exist as a Carbon 32 bit app; whereas Adobe PP and AE is 64 bit Cocoa
- iTunes still in Carbon
- Headphone jack on iPhone 2G closed to many headphones w/o an adapter
- Many parts of the .mov format closed source
- The whole Adobe affair
 
I have 86 BluRays currently residing in my media cabinet and ZERO downloaded HD movies from iTunes or anywhere.

The majority of BluRays in said collection have been purchased for between $10-$15. I get 1080p video, 5.1 DTS-TrueHD, special features up the ASS...and he expects me to buy his crappy 720p, 5.1 Dolby Digital movies for the same price or more than I can get a BluRay for?

I guess Steve and I can both keep dreaming.
 
I can see Bluray being a nice feature on a Mac for some people, but honestly, if I wanted to watch BD's, I'd just get a stand alone BD player.
 
I recall there was a site that sold blu-ray drives for mac pros, so it would surprise me if no one figured out that making slot-loader blu-ray drives for the iMac is a good market. But whatever, there's still external options for blu-ray.

Personally, the issue doesn't effect me. I do believe that for some things, such as 20gb+ video games, blu-ray would benefit the machine. However, for the mac, other than the really high-end media-oriented programs (I recall some of Apple's creative programs required multiple install DVDs), I see little use for blu-ray. Sure, it'd be great to view 1080p videos through my mac, but I hope iTunes hops on the bandwagon with that soon. I mean, for crying out loud, that 27-inch iMac begs for it!

All-in-all, no surprises with Jobs's response. It's really a non-issue at the moment, and I don't see it becoming one anytime soon.
 
this tells me that Steve has something up his sleeve and is going to change the industry again. Apple has over 30 billion in cash and that last report about them buying out some companies and getting into the TV business makes sense. Can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve. Most likely blu ray will be a thing of the past sooner rather than later. 720p is not going to be apple's offering in the future obviously.
 
Lol..People stop thinking that everyone in US is as rich as you are and can afford top internet speed from ISPs and new computers... I bet at least 15% of people still use dial up. I still see ads for it on TV every other night.
 
All Hail King Steve, King Steve has been coopted!

Why do I get the feeling this is more than a little bit: You'll get what you get because I give it to you and ... you Will like it!
 
Supposedly the NEW AppleTV will be just that; a high-def television with AppleTV built right in. Jobs will have you all by the balls then.
 
Full of Win said:
Well, Apple is all about forward thinking and openness, except when they are not.

Examples
- Final Cut still exist as a Carbon 32 bit app; whereas Adobe PP and AE is 64 bit Cocoa
- iTunes still in Carbon
- Headphone jack on iPhone 2G closed to many headphones w/o an adapter
- Many parts of the .mov format closed source
- The whole Adobe affair
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iTunes is in the heart of Apple media business do you think it's that easy to make it Cocoa? And by the way running crazy like monkey in a banana factory won't help make it faster or better.
 
Bluray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD - like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats.
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1) I do not wish to devote 6-15 GB of disk space for a 1080p movie, not permanently or even temporarily as in the case of cached content from future Apple "cloud."
2) I do not wish to wait for the movie to "buffer" nor do I wish to have the download compete with other activities going on elsewhere in the house that rely on bandwidth.
3) I do not wish to have to devote any space to BACK UP my 1080p content on top of the permanent or cached disk-space it takes to watch the movie -- the physical Blu-Ray doesn't occupy any disk-space, nor does it need backing up -- IT IS ALREADY a "permanent" medium.
4) I do use my Mac Mini as my "Home Media" server and it is perfect for storing lower-grade movies on disk and at 0.5 - 2 GB a pop it isn't that much space, but at 6-15 GB a pop, that would quickly go well beyond the multi-terabyte storage + backup solutionS (multiple) that I already have in place.

It would be a NATURAL fit to use the Mac Mini as a Blu-Ray player, since it's already hooked to my 1080p home theater and I already have tons of Blu-Ray discs.

HOWEVER, the Mac Mini isn't my #1 gripe w.r.t. lack of Blu-Ray.

What I truly need as a matter of productivity is for the new Mac Pro, when it comes out, to incorporate Blu-Ray playback capabilities, so that I can "proof" the the 1080p Blu-Ray movies that I make with Final Cut Studio / Compressor & Toast Titanium. It's a ROYAL PAIN to have have to use a separate player to proof. Since the Mac Pro is commonly used for video editing, it would be the MOST IMPORTANT place to have Blu-Ray playback capabilities.

The fact that Apple is deprioritizing Blu-Ray, in general, is YET ANOTHER indicator that they are abandoning the Pro user base. The first indicator has been the poor quality of the Final Cut Studio software, itself. The second indicator is how excruciatingly LATE the release of the new Mac Pro has been. Still waiting...cash in hand, for that gargantuan beast. Gimme gimme. ;-)

Iin the end, Apple is more than just a little TOO focused on the high-volume consumer handheld market to care about the low volume desktop market in general, let alone the even lower volume Pro market.

I'm just disappointed that the only thing I can count on from Apple is great consumer handhelds -- the iPhone is wonderful. I love it. But it's the MAC DESKTOP that I RELY ON for the REAL WORK.

It's high time Apple stopped neglecting the desktop. The lack of Blu-Ray is just ANOTHER example of the neglect.
 
Steve Jobs went overboard with "convenience over quality" when he introduced the iPod Hi-Fi. He tossed thousands of dollars worth of stereo equipment for that common boom box? Even if he was exaggerating (or lying), it's a ridiculous goal.

Most Apple consumers appreciate high quality. And at this time, and for the foreseeable future, Blu-ray is higher quality than downloadable material.
 
2005: "The year of HD" according to Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs called 2005 "the year of HD." What a hypocrite!

For many of us Mac buyers on a tight budget, we cannot afford to also buy a TV and dedicated Blu-ray player. And that is why we want a Blu-ray drive on our Macs, or at least the ability to connect a third-party external Blu-ray drive. But Steve Jobs doesn't care about that, because he can easily afford to install the world's greatest home theater if he wanted to.
 
The topic of super fast internet connections puzzles me. I'm in one of the top 25 richest counties in the US as said by Forbes magazine, and the fastest non-biz connection we have is 35/35.

Torrents rarely go faster than 1mbps. I run 3 internet lines to my house just to handle the load of the small hosting company I run. I inquired about faster internet, and got quoted a starting price of $2k a month.

Where are these people who say that they have uncapped 100mbit+ connections?
 
ageis said:
The topic of super fast internet connections puzzles me. I'm in one of the top 25 richest counties in the US as said by Forbes magazine, and the fastest non-biz connection we have is 35/35.

Torrents rarely go faster than 1mbps. I run 3 internet lines to my house just to handle the load of the small hosting company I run. I inquired about faster internet, and got quoted a starting price of $2k a month.

Where are these people who say that they have uncapped 100mbit+ connections?
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That has more to do with ISP's throttling download bandwidth.
 
No kidding, I'm really surprised people still are overestimating streaming/downloadable media at this time. As stated, the internet movies (iTunes/etc) are barely above DVD quality at best, Blu-Ray is heads and shoulders above it. Also, adoption rate is actually faster than DVD (it took DVD a few years to take off). The shelves and Blu-Ray sections are expanding at the big chain stores every day, prices on players have shot down, and movies prices are coming down as well. (DVDs used to cost upwards to $30+ during it's first few years.)

In addition, the "home theater PC" experience isn't quite there in the living room yet. AppleTV was a dud, and overall you just don't see many living rooms with an "internet box" in it. Plus, how do people download and/or stream movies if they don't have internet access? (More people than you think.) My mother is a bit of a computer-phobe and has no use for one, but even she owns a Blu-Ray player.

But what may get internet streaming such as Netflix into the mainstream living room is ironically, Blu-Ray players - many of them are starting to offer Netflix streaming. On that note, I don't see streaming/downloadable movies replacing Blu-Ray in this generation, but instead, I do see them complementing them. For all the credit we give to digital music, CDs are still very much around.

What I do think streaming movies will give a lot of trouble to (if not already) is the video rental stores, kiosks and On Demand.
 
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