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I guess I did miss the point, if you say so. You said if we're going to push for Blu-ray, we should get our vision corrected to enjoy it in all its resplendence, right? What was your point, then? My point is that I can see the difference between crappy streaming and resplendent Blu-ray.

I wasn't even talking to you wonderspark. My reply was to someone else here, and it was specifically in context with something that they previously said. Admittedly, a modicum of thought would be required to grasp the message's full meaning. [and ironically perhaps, a similar perception problem seems to be occurring now in our little exchange.]
 
You know what the word is for people who try to censor what other people see because it irritates them?

Totalitarian. Or Steve Jobs, either are synonymous.

Totalitarianism: Not welcomed here.

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Let me just make sure I am clear on this.

Someone posts how annoyed they are about the rehashing of the very old and stale "Steve Jobs hates Blu-ray" and all the subsequent bitching and moaning. And you tell them that they have to get over it because this is a free board and folks can post what they want. This isn't some fascist totlitarian board etc.

So basically telling them to shut up because the bitchers and moaners have a right to speak their mind.

Well guess what, so do the folks that are bitching and moaning and about the bitching and moaning. So you can get over it and stop with YOUR attempts to censor.

And while you are getting over it, you might want to learn what Totalitarianism really means because it isn't the proper term for Apple or Steve Jobs.
 
+1 Porco.

Also funny that those claiming that BD is for "uber-geeks" fail to realise that the average person usually watches TV on a TV instead of their computer, like an uber-geek might. ;)

Plus I'm noticing even the sub-$100 Blu-Ray players are including some form of streaming support, usually Netflix. Buy one box that plays both for less than the price of an Apple TV.
 
Well if ALL desktops are irrelevant when content is online, then ALL watermelons are irrelevant when you are eating cantaloupe. :confused::confused::confused:
 
makes you wonder with the hardware on the new apple tv supposedly being 1080p-capable, so people can watch blu ray rips, maybe steve jobs has seen the light and will be bringing blu ray to the mac lineup after all.
 
makes you wonder with the hardware on the new apple tv supposedly being 1080p-capable, so people can watch blu ray rips, maybe steve jobs has seen the light and will be bringing blu ray to the mac lineup after all.

Or this is a precursor to Apple offering 1080p streams... for those that have a sufficiently fast and reliable internet connection and can get :apple:TV in their country.


Lethal
 
Oh, yes. A large subset of IT guys fall into that group. These guys generally have no idea about any part of business, it's not even in the picture. They just work on networks or PCs, and mock and ridicule Apple and Apple users based on hearsay and stupidity. It's comical, really.

Interestingly, these also seem to be the bitter guys who thought working on computers would be fun. After a few years of 9to5, they found out work = work.

I know what you mean. Back when I worked in corporate America before starting my own IT consulting firm, the Fortune 500 company I worked for was a "Microsoft shop" as are most large companies today - which is sad. I know the IT guy mentality you are talking about because I worked on teams with those kind of people and drank the MS Kool Aid. I recall that one weekend a college friend (friend that introduced me to Mac) came to visit and asked me why I didn't use a Mac. I recall scoffing at him and the thought of using a Mac in my business function at the time. When I look back at that moment I feel like a complete idiot for thinking Microsoft was the end all be all. What a huge racket MS is. My former company would send us to MS developers training on a regular basis and that was about $2000 USD per person for a week of training that really did not teach me anything . Between the developers training, the end use training, the software licenses, the Microsoft conferences - my former company spent a ton of money on Microsoft - it boggles the mind to think about how much money was given to Ballmer and Co. I am so glad I am on my own now and that I get to use Macs for my job everyday - even though I can't play BD on them.
 
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Let me just make sure I am clear on this.

Someone posts how annoyed they are about the rehashing of the very old and stale "Steve Jobs hates Blu-ray" and all the subsequent bitching and moaning. And you tell them that they have to get over it because this is a free board and folks can post what they want. This isn't some fascist totlitarian board etc.

So basically telling them to shut up because the bitchers and moaners have a right to speak their mind.

Straw man. Never said that. Said, FROM DAY ONE, that Apple should listen more to the higher ticket customers. That's all.

We're not telling the naysayers to get lost. We're asking them to make better arguments than BOREDOM. The last refuge, I might add, of someone who has NO VALID ARGUMENT LEFT.

Well guess what, so do the folks that are bitching and moaning and about the bitching and moaning. So you can get over it and stop with YOUR attempts to censor.

Bitching and moaning about boredom does not equate to bitching and moaning about non performance. Sorry.

And while you are getting over it, you might want to learn what Totalitarianism really means because it isn't the proper term for Apple or Steve Jobs.

On the contrary. You buy a Mac, you can't watch a Blu-ray on it. Without jumping through a bunch of hoops befitting any hacker.

That's totalitarian as far as Apple products are concerned. And as far as the Blu-ray market is concerned, because Jobs is quite aware it slows acceptance. Considerably.

Even so, Blu-ray has done better than expected given the opposition.

But that's moot now anyway. Blu-ray coming to Mac VERY soon as Steve Jobs, most likely, won't be coming back.

And Apple will devote less attention to cheap fad toys and more to its high end creative content creator base.

As it should have all along.

Apple just might be saved.

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Ultraviolet launches in 2011, Apple stays out.

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A consortium of Hollywood studios and technology companies will discuss Thursday at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) plans to launch an initiative called Ultraviolet that's intended to jumpstart the nascent business of selling films and television shows on the Internet.

After more than four years in the works, Ultraviolet will launch by the middle of this year, with participating retailers and studios allowing consumers to purchase digital copies of movies that can be stored online or transferred between devices without an added cost.

It's the first time that Ultraviolet, backed by every major Hollywood studio except Walt Disney Studios, and a number of consumer electronics companies and retailers that sell entertainment products, with the notable exception of Apple Inc., has detailed plans to put its technology in the hands of consumers.

Disney has it own similar, competing technology initiative called Keychest. Apple, whose CEO, Steve Jobs, is Disney's largest individual shareholder, rarely takes part in cross-industry consortiums, instead pursuing its own strategy.

People who buy content from Ultraviolet digital retailers, which include Best Buy, Comcast, Microsoft, Panasonic, Sony and Toshiba, will be able to share it with up to six friends or family members, transfer or stream the movie on up to 12 devices and create copies on DVDs and portable flash drives. It's intended to alleviate one of the major impediments to the sales of digital copies of movies: that files are typically limited to a single device and thus are less usable than a DVD.

"The most highly skilled users are already downloading content, making copies and watching on any device they want," said Mitch Singer, the chief technology officer of Sony Pictures, who has been the key executive behind Ultraviolet. "We're trying to build a business model for everyone around that behavior."

Consumers were expected to rent 37.7 million movies by way of the Internet last year, according to Screen Digest, nearly double the number they purchased. Studios generate much bigger profits from sales than rentals, however, and are hoping to encourage consumers to buy more as the market transitions from physical media to digital, particularly because sales of DVDs have plummeted in recent years.

Though studios will decide where and how to sell their content with Ultraviolet technology and retailers will set prices, Singer said consumers will be able to buy digital copies of movies and TV shows by way of computers, Internet-connected televisions, and also along with Blu-ray discs.

Based on research the consortium collected, Singer said most consumers value a digital copy of a movie at $11 or $12, less than the typical $15 to $20 price of a DVD.

When Ultraviolet first launches this summer, there may not be many devices compatible with its file-transfer technology. But Singer said later in the year many phones, video-game consoles, tablets and computers would start getting software upgrades to make them work with it. In 2012, devices with built-in Ultraviolet will start to be sold.

However, unless and until Apple decides to join Ultraviolet, its popular iPod, iPad and Apple TV will make for notable absences from the technology's "ecosystem."

Singer said he's optimistic that Apple will open up to Ultraviolet, noting that the company has allowed access to Netflix's video streaming service on its devices.

After a long time spent recruiting participating companies and creating the technology that makes Ultraviolet possible, Singer said he's relieved that this year the question of how and where consumers can get it will not be his responsibility.

"What we're announcing at CES is that we're now open for business," he said. "This is our handoff to the retail guys saying, 'OK, it's up to you now.' "

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tec...-ces-ultraviolet-digital-movie-downloads.html


In order for legal digital downloads to grow, there needs to be a single platform in which everyone can access the data. I'm not sure why Apple is staying out of ultraviolet if they are so sure about digital downloads. Ultraviolet seems the first step in the right direction about how digital distribution should be done.




Explanation of UV:
UltraViolet Media:
When you purchase UltraViolet media – as Blu-ray, DVD or Internet download – you get much more than just a single file or disc: You also get the enduring right to access your content on any UltraViolet device registered in your Household Account. You can also enjoy your UltraViolet entertainment via streaming through devices at home or on the go.


Where to Find UltraViolet Media:
You’ll be able to find UltraViolet movies and TV shows as downloads from your favorite online stores, or access them via game consoles and smartphone or tablet apps. Offline, they’re available on Blu-rays or DVDs that come with UltraViolet from your favorite retailers. Get your media however you please, from the places you like to shop.


UltraViolet Household Account:
All your UltraViolet content will be accessible online through your easily set up and managed free Household Account. It doesn’t require any credit card or other sensitive private information. Up to 6 family members – whether they’re around the house or out and about – can access your family media collection using customizable individual preferences. Your UltraViolet media collection is safe in one place, easily shared or filtered through parental controls. What could be easier or more convenient?


UltraViolet Devices:
You’ll be able to download and play UltraViolet media on UltraViolet computers, tablets, game consoles, set top boxes, Blu-ray players, Internet TVs, smartphones and other mobile devices. A simple software upgrade may enable you to upgrade many devices you already own to be UltraViolet devices. Also, new devices are coming soon with UltraViolet capability pre-installed and ready-to-go: Watch for the UltraViolet logo when you shop. Remember, UltraViolet streaming access will allow you to use almost any type of device, so you can start right away.


http://www.uvvu.com/what-is-uv.php
 
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In order for legal digital downloads to grow, there needs to be a single platform in which everyone can access the data. I'm not sure why Apple is staying out of ultraviolet if they are so sure about digital downloads. Ultraviolet seems the first step in the right direction about how digital distribution should be done.

It's Apple's way or the highway. But this is good news, any threat to the iTunes model of streaming will make them think twice about sinking all their eggs into THAT basket.

And act as further impetus for implementing Blu-ray and continuing optical drives until they REALLY are obsolete, instead of relying on wishful and highly self-serving (and sometimes, just plain LOONYTUNES) thinking.

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So basically telling them to shut up because the bitchers and moaners have a right to speak their mind.

This post may not be directed at you. I'm not sure of your post history here. The 'you' is used in a general sense.

In this thread, yes. If you have nothing to offer, except to enter this thread (willingly, no-one is forcing you) only to read posts that annoy you, then waste time complaining about how much the complaining bothers you, then I don't know what to say. It's probably like being addicted to stupid as a drug or something.
 
...It's intended to alleviate one of the major impediments to the sales of digital copies of movies: that files are typically limited to a single device and thus are less usable than a DVD....



UltraViolet Media:
When you purchase UltraViolet media – as Blu-ray, DVD or Internet download – you get much more than just a single file or disc: You also get the enduring right to access your content on any UltraViolet device registered in your Household Account.

all of that is just artificial limitations that they're using as an excuse for a new DRM scheme. if they were less restrictive on blu-ray discs, dvd content protection, and digital copies there wouldnt be the need for this "new and greater" technology.
 
all of that is just artificial limitations that they're using as an excuse for a new DRM scheme. if they were less restrictive on blu-ray discs, dvd content protection, and digital copies there wouldnt be the need for this "new and greater" technology.
As it is right now, digtal media is all over the place.If UV takes off, seems as it will because it has most studio and CE support, there will at least be a digital format in place that will allow users to access it through various places instead of it being locked down into one streaming or download service. I don't think UV is so much of an DRM issue as it is to have a unified streaming service.

Personally I'll have as much use for UV as I do with all the digital copies that come in with my Blu-ray movies, which is none. Most of them just sit there until they expire. But for those that enjoy digital streaming, UV seems to be a step in the right direction.
 
It's Apple's way or the highway. But this is good news, any threat to the iTunes model of streaming will make them think twice about sinking all their eggs into THAT basket.

And act as further impetus for implementing Blu-ray and continuing optical drives until they REALLY are obsolete, instead of relying on wishful and highly self-serving (and sometimes, just plain LOONYTUNES) thinking.

:apple:
If they do decide to stay out of it as they did with Blu-ray, this might be the second big movie business/system they decide to stay out of. Given that UV actually becomes big. With the studio and CE support for it, it looks like it will become a standard.

After that, they'll have to figure out how to make money from it. For now it seems that when you buy a Blu-ray, DVD, or download copy of a movie with the UV logo, you will be able to have a free copy in that "cloud." I'm not sure how is that going to make them extra money if all the people who have this decide to heavily use and stream it. For now I guess they just want to unify all streaming services into one compatible standard and then let the digital service grow from there.

Because they can't control it and it, presumably, would promote open stores and open devices where as Apple wants people to use their store and their devices?


Lethal
Well Apple's I devices are very popular and I don't think this will take much business away from them, it will just give people the opportunity to see that itunes movie they bought in any UV device. We'll see how it goes I guess.
 
Well Apple's I devices are very popular and I don't think this will take much business away from them, it will just give people the opportunity to see that itunes movie they bought in any UV device. We'll see how it goes I guess.
Maybe I'm confused, but if Apple is not participating in the UV program how will content from the iTMS be able to be seen on any UV-compatible device?


Lethal
 
Maybe I'm confused, but if Apple is not participating in the UV program how will content from the iTMS be able to be seen on any UV-compatible device?


Lethal
No, you're not confused. Content from Itunes stores will not be viewable on the UV devices. I just meant to say that with Apple's popularity, I don't think it would hurt their business much if they joined UV and permitted the people to see their Itunes store purchases on UV devices. I don't think Itunes sales will slow down if they joined UV or supported Blu-ray for that matter.
 
Being that several posts i wrote to you weeks ago were deleted (at your behest no doubt), i believe the word you're searching for is "moderator".

In my defense, AGAIK I made no such request of any of your posts ever.

Which is not to say I haven't in the past of other posters, nor will not do so in the future if they step WAY over the line.

I don't mind being irritated by your posts. They make mine look better.

Get well soon, Steve. (You're needed in the new iToy division at Apple.)

This post may not be directed at you. I'm not sure of your post history here. The 'you' is used in a general sense.

In this thread, yes. If you have nothing to offer, except to enter this thread (willingly, no-one is forcing you) only to read posts that annoy you, then waste time complaining about how much the complaining bothers you, then I don't know what to say. It's probably like being addicted to stupid as a drug or something.

ROFL.... PRICELESS!!!

Thanks!

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No, you're not confused. Content from Itunes stores will not be viewable on the UV devices. I just meant to say that with Apple's popularity, I don't think it would hurt their business much if they joined UV and permitted the people to see their Itunes store purchases on UV devices. ..

only problem with that is apple wants to control both the media (itunes store) and the method of viewing (apple tv, mac computers). they wouldn't give up control of the total experience to viewing on an unknown $99.00 samsung device.
 
only problem with that is apple wants to control both the media (itunes store) and the method of viewing (apple tv, mac computers). they wouldn't give up control of the total experience to viewing on an unknown $99.00 samsung device.
Reminds me of a movie quote from Human Traffic... something like:
"The Empire wants to control outer space... Yoda wants to explore inner space. That's the fundamental difference between the good and bad sides of The Force."
 
Hmmmmm.

From Le Macbidouille:

A new initiative to ease the adoption of Blu-ray
By crispin. Original by Lionel - 19/01/2011 00:00:00 CET - Category: CD Drives

Last March, Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Thomson Licensing, Toshiba Corporation and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment announced the creation of a common grouping, the BD4C. Its goal is to at least propose a single interlocutor with those which would like to take licences around Blu-ray, all on the patents held by these companies.

All is very complicated indeed, since there are others. Some also have just created a grouping called One-Blu. It consists of Cyberlink, Hitachi, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung and Sony. From April first, the brave ones who will want to manufacture readers, burners or virgin media will be able to contact this group instead of the 6 company separately. Of course, this does not replace the BD4C who will also be necessary to contact and pay, nor the MPEG IT and to the AACS group.

One understands better why Steve Jobs complained about these complications of licences recently, although the non-adoption of this format under OS X is still related to another problem, the way of setting up DRM under OS X.

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2011/01...feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+hardmac+(HardMac.com)
 
It looks like not having BD in Macs didn't hinder Apple from reaching record sales in Q1 of 2011. "Oh no, Apple is going out of business like Amiga" - LOL

But, the issue is computer sales vs gadget sales, and the trends in each.

Apple might make a ton of money selling gadgets and netbooks (AKA Macbook air), and gradually fade to irrelevance as a supplier of professional laptops and desktop systems.

Perhaps in the soon to come post-Jobs era the pros will get some loving.
 
It looks like not having BD in Macs didn't hinder Apple from reaching record sales in Q1 of 2011. "Oh no, Apple is going out of business like Amiga" - LOL

iCrap BUBBLE.

BUBBLE. BUBBLE.

The operative word is BUBBLE. Even Steve Jobs cannot keep an iCrap BUBBLE afloat indefinitely. Even from a hospital bed.

Sooner rather than later Apple is just going to have to service its creative content creator highend base.

Or lose its cutting edge cachet. If it hasn't done irreparable damage to it already in the quest of the LCD cheap en masse buck.

Creating a BUBBLE.

Pop.

:apple:
 
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