Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[linux2mac]

I would make the same accusation about you, except apple would be embarrassed by your posts.

LOL, I am not the one without a Mac bashing Apple and wasting time on a Mac specific site.

I guess you live in Richfield, Minnesota, where that company is based...

Uhhh, wrong. It is so funny when people assume.

however you are either misinformed, blissfully ignorant, or just lying. Best Buy uses windows, just go into any one of their hundreds of stores and you will see. The internet shipping department, and home offices uses windows also, The RSS software they use in not available on a mac. Both companies are primarily using PC because the software they need in not available for macs and the price of a change to mac from a pc is in the tens of millions. Your claim that the would never trust their reputation with windows is a complete out right lie.

OMG, I am not going to provide you with a lesson in reading comprehension but if you noticed that the parenthesis are in place to point out that MY COLLEAGUES HAVE clients that are Fortune 500 companies and I am listing who these clients are,

….Fortune 500 companies based in my city (i.e. a big maker of cereal, a large electronics retailer whose logo is a black and yellow price tag on a blue background, another large retailer with a red target for their logo)

and that MY COLLEAGUES use Macs, NOT that the Fortune 500 companies use Macs (their loss - LOL). In other words, my video professional/commercial photographer colleagues use Macs and would never trust their reputation on Windows (not even to have BD) to provide services to their high end clients ( i.e. the Fortune 500 companies that use Windows).

Enjoy your Windows - LOL

BTW - I am going to have to withdraw from responding to you because I don't want you to slip up and try to face palm me to death and get put on time out again.

ROFLMAO

 

[xbjllb]

ROFL!
Like in professional video content creation for example, where you have to buy a copy of Adobe Premiere and that dreadful Windows OS to author a BD disc and proof-watch it, because your $3'500 Mac flagship + $200 external BD burner + $1000 Final Cut Studio are not up to such a task without an additional $900 help from Apple's arch-enemies?!?!?!

My prediction: Within five years Apple will leave the whole market of professional video, multimedia content creation, audio and desktop publishing to Microsoft and Adobe and kill the Mac Pro desktop line. The axing of the Xserve and their BD non-commitment was just the beginning of the end of Apple's relationship with us professional creative content creators.

Why still serving a bunch of sophisticated, demanding and whiney customers, when you have millions of subservient iSheep who are satisfied with the lowest common denominator?

Because once you do that, you will quickly go the way of the dinosaur, and of every other fad manufacturer like Whamm-o as better and cheaper competition that does what you REFUSE to do comes along.

And good riddance to Apple then and spit on its grave.

We tried to tell them, over and over and over again.

Sadly I believe you will be correct. Apple is the oddest company I have ever seen, the behavior is like that of a child. I guarantee X-serve made them money. Why axe it? Guessing they want to free up people to work on iDevices, same when nutJobs comes out and says the following about the MacPro, "We just weren't selling any of them." sent from his iPad of course.

Writing is on the wall really. They are playing in a fickle market were the iDevices compete. The iPod sales will lower as more people use their smart-phones for the same tasks. Also people are not loyal to phones and they change frequently. If the continued to cater to the professional creators out there like they use to then you have loyalty. People that will stick around for the long haul.

Unbelievable they are basically turning their back on profits. Much smaller at the time but profit is profit.

Jobs' business model is suicide. No, actual, honest-to-God real business suicide. His approach killed every organ manufacturer in America and most everywhere else in the world save one in Oregon (yet OWNED by Roland) whose entry model STARTS at $100,000 PLUS. The ones who tried to compete with LCD crap failed miserably; the handful (out of 25+ companies) who went solely to super expensive high end product thrived.

My hopes and dreams will be taken away, one USB port at a time.

It's such a two-edged sword. Without iPods, Apple may have died off. I love my iPhone, it's the greatest phone I've ever used. However, I wish Apple weren't selling iPads, iPhones and iPods - as well as all the online music/movies so damn efficiently, to the point where the Mac is all but forgotten.

If Apple were so much as 50:50 iToy:Mac, or even 70:30, the professional market would have trouble keeping it in their pants. *Thinks back to the unveiling of FireWire, the G3 Pismo and the PowerMac G5.*

Those days are long gone and not coming back. Der Emperor Stevrer has spoken and you vill obey or suffer the consequences!!

Well, if you hold onto your Apple, you will suffer the consequences... of Amiga hangers-on.

I KNOW, this is my second time around THAT experience.

 

[435713]

Jobs' business model is suicide. No, actual, honest-to-God real business suicide. His approach killed every organ manufacturer in America and most everywhere else in the world save one in Oregon (yet OWNED by Roland) whose entry model STARTS at $100,000 PLUS. The ones who tried to compete with LCD crap failed miserably; the handful (out of 25+ companies) who went solely to super expensive high end product thrived.

Basically you are saying that Jobs getting rid of his high end stuff will ultimately make them go belly up?

I can possibly see a large and rapid fall as well, although hopefully they get the message over there when they see playing to a more fickle market and turning away from the loyal base of customers (that spend god knows how much on Mac Pros using Apple's creative software) will end up being a bad strategy, possibly. Shake was an awesome program as well and they just axed that randomly. Guessing they needed more people for iDevices.

Hopefully Jobs realizes they need to be a lot larger and have a full work staff that only works on Macs and Mac software. There is no way they can lose money, only make it having the brand name that is still strong. They do make really good products, I rather they get their head out of their butts and crank it up.

Sadly I highly doubt it, business is very much about follow the large casual customers nowadays. Kind of see that happening to gaming as well in a sense. At least if I decide to build my larger workstation around Windows stuff I will have choice, just sucks since I would rather use OSX but find nothing bad about Windows either I can get the same results either way, I do like choice though. Apple gives me not so much, and I am not really a Hackintosh type.

 

[Hal Itosis]

...than Job's incessant "Blu-ray is dead" acolytes. For the love of humanity, Men (in name only), get up off your knees and wipe the proverbial spooge off your faces before you post.

And that goes whether you're a paid whore (find another job with integrity) or merely a slut giving it away, or a brat with a personal problem with Sony over some sort of video game BS.

EVERY last one of your "arguments" has been decimated not only long ago, but over and over and over and over. Blu-ray will be around longer than Apple COMPUTERS, sadly.

And (of course) tasteless blather is perfectly acceptable here at MacRumors, as long as you're clever enough to just blurt it out to "everyone" (not specific individuals).

It's like heaven for trolls in here. (not a specific troll mind you, but any troll in general who might be in the vicinity).

 

[linux2mac]

I have concluded that all the anti-Apple people here have to be MS spokespersons of some sort. I mean, how else can it be explained that people without Macs would waste their time here (on a Mac specific forum) calling us "fanboys" and what not. I am a self employed IT professional and have several colleagues in IT that run their own show whether it be in the commercial photography/videography business, IT consulting, DBA's etc and all acknowledge the superiority of OSX over Windows. I have used Windows for almost two decades so I am not blindly saying that Windows is bad - it just is. I am not buying the garbage MS people are spreading here.

Here is a prophetic article from 2007.

Microsoft Is Dead
http://paulgraham.com/microsoft.html

The last nail in the coffin came, of all places, from Apple. Thanks to OS X, Apple has come back from the dead in a way that is extremely rare in technology. [2] Their victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a computer running Windows. Nearly all the people we fund at Y Combinator use Apple laptops. It was the same in the audience at startup school. All the computer people use Macs or Linux now. Windows is for grandmas, like Macs used to be in the 90s. So not only does the desktop no longer matter, no one who cares about computers uses Microsoft's anyway.

BD will be replaced by streaming. The writing is on the wall like the aforementioned article from 2007.

 

[KnightWRX]

I have concluded that all the anti-Apple people here have to be MS spokespersons of some sort. I mean, how else can it be explained that people without Macs would waste their time here (on a Mac specific forum)

What about the people with iPhones/iPads/iPods that hang out on this forum but don't own Macs, are they also MS Spokepersons ?

What about the folks who just don't agree with Steve Jobs and Apple all the time but do own Macs/iPhones, are they also MS Spokespersons ?

What about all the "Apple does no wrong crowd", are they Apple spokespersons ?

Your logic fails to impress.

 

[linux2mac]

Your logic fails to impress.

And I should care because of your high level of credibility? - ROFLMAO

Of course, you do know the best way to let a thread die out is not to post to it right ? You just participated in keeping it alive. Good work.

(and note I'm not discussing the blu-ray thing anymore in this thread).

I bowed out of the BD portion of this thread and I keep my word.

 

[KnightWRX]

And I should care because of your high level of credibility? - ROFLMAO

Irrevelant quotes are irrelevant (especially the one about letting the thread die, who said I wanted to see it die ? The guy I was responding to was the one to say that).

Maybe you should instead try to explain your position as to calling people who don't agree with you "MS spokespersons" instead of trying to just gratuitously flame people.

Maybe that would help us take you seriously.

 

[linux2mac]

........ instead of trying to just gratuitously flame people.

Maybe that would help us take you seriously.

I am not going to bother pointing out your posts that fall into "flame" category. Oh and what about the guy that keeps mentioning Hitler here? Nice try.

 

[KnightWRX]

I am not going to bother pointing out your posts that fall into "flame" category. Oh and what about the guy that keeps mentioning Hitler here? Nice try.

Again, answer my question. What makes you say people that don't agree with you/Apple are MS spokespersons ?

I didn't flame, I was simply pointing this fallacy in your discourse. You keep attacking people, ignoring facts/questions and then state things like you just did (the MS spokespersons) and when asked to justify, you just flame and flame.

Seriously, are you just here to add to your post count or do you want to participate in active debate ? Do you have something to bring to this conversation beyond just extending it without taking into account the posts of others ?

At this point, a lot of people just aren't taking what you say seriously, and this counts for more than just this thread.

 

[pr5owner]

BD will be replaced by streaming. The writing is on the wall like the aforementioned article from 2007.

when we can stream BD quality movies, there will be some type of media supporting 4K x 2K resolutions and we sure as hell aint streaming that anytime soon (at a proportional bitrate to BD)

 

[Apple OC]

just read through some 4000+ posts ... I agree Blu-Ray is not coming to Macs anytime soon

 

[linux2mac]

Again, answer my question. What makes you say people that don't agree with you/Apple are MS spokespersons ?

I didn't flame, I was simply pointing this fallacy in your discourse. You keep attacking people, ignoring facts/questions and then state things like you just did (the MS spokespersons) and when asked to justify, you just flame and flame.

Seriously, are you just here to add to your post count or do you want to participate in active debate ? Do you have something to bring to this conversation beyond just extending it without taking into account the posts of others ?

At this point, a lot of people just aren't taking what you say seriously, and this counts for more than just this thread.

You need to quit while you are ahead given your reputation for attacking people (i.e. the poor guy you belittled in the thread where he was seeking guidance for the Genius test.)

 

[xbjllb]

I have concluded that all the anti-Apple people here have to be MS spokespersons of some sort. I mean, how else can it be explained that people without Macs would waste their time here (on a Mac specific forum) calling us "fanboys" and what not.

In the last quarter alone of 2010 I bought an 8 core AND 12 core Mac Pro. Operative word being "PRO".

Compared to your outlay, I SHOULD BE ON THE APPLE BOARD.

We have a RIGHT and DUTY to complain just as loud as we can when we are not being serviced by a company that misled that they would do just that.

WE DID NOT BUY WELL OVERPRICED COMPUTERS FROM FAD LCD CRAP TOYMAKERS. Well, not initially.

And I should care because of your high level of credibility? - ROFLMAO

You should care about what he says because he is right and you couldn't be more wrong.

You need to quit while you are ahead given your reputation for attacking people (i.e. the poor guy you belittled in the thread where he was seeking guidance for the Genius test.)

He will always be ahead. Because he is on the right side of the issue; when it comes to Blu-ray implementation, Jobs is either being childishly petty, stupid, fascistly self-destructive, or ALL OF THE ABOVE.

People either want Apple Computers to have cutting edge optical capability and be BETTER, or they're like Steve Jobs AND THEY DON'T.

And news flash: MACRUMORS ISN'T A JOBS FAN CLUB.

 

[Aatos.1]

It appears this thread is a disease that will never die.

 

[xbjllb]

It appears this thread is a disease that will never die.

It appears that Steve Jobs has a disease that will never die.

It appears MacRumors has a troll that will never die.

There. I posted it for them in pre-emptive advance.

 

[janstett]

Here is a prophetic article from 2007.

Microsoft Is Dead
http://paulgraham.com/microsoft.html

Be careful what swords you choose to wield. The same article portends the death of the Macintosh.

Gmail also showed how much you could do with web-based software, if you took advantage of what later came to be called "Ajax." And that was the second cause of Microsoft's death: everyone can see the desktop is over. It now seems inevitable that applications will live on the web—not just email, but everything, right up to Photoshop. Even Microsoft sees that now.​

If the desktop is over, well, that includes the Macintosh. If applications and content are all online, then it doesn't matter what "terminal" you use to access it. And perhaps that explains Apple's decay into an iToy company.

 

[KnightWRX]

You need to quit while you are ahead given your reputation for attacking people (i.e. the poor guy you belittled in the thread where he was seeking guidance for the Genius test.)

See ? I'm not even attacking you, I'm asking you to qualify a statement you made because I don't agree with it and want to debate it. You are squarely refusing to do it.

That my friend is not discussing. Why do you keep on attacking me instead of simply answering my question ? People who do that usually have no interest in the conversation at hand, they are just egging people on for responses.

Seriously, are you even here to have a conversation about the merits of Blu-ray and Macs or are you just here to stir up trouble ? Why do you claim "Anti-apple" people (are there really such a thing ? Not agreeing with Apple on some aspects of their business/products doesn't mean you're "anti-apple") are MS Spokespersons ?

Answer the questions if you are really serious about having a conversation and this topic. If you don't, that means you aren't and then I guess the cat's out of the bag as far as your purpose is concerned in this thread.

 

[karsten]

If the desktop is over, well, that includes the Macintosh. If applications and content are all online, then it doesn't matter what "terminal" you use to access it. And perhaps that explains Apple's decay into an iToy company.

i dont know personally i couldnt stand typing up a document on a 3" screen :/ hope apple doesnt forget that

 

[linux2mac]

Again, answer my question. What makes you say people that don't agree with you/Apple are MS spokespersons ?

I didn't flame, I was simply pointing this fallacy in your discourse...

Please read my quote carefully on my reference to MS spokespersons. No where do I say that people that don't agree with me are MS spokespersons. I refer to the MS spokespersons as "people without Macs" who "would waste their time here (on a Mac specific forum) calling us 'fanboys' and what not."

I have concluded that all the anti-Apple people here have to be MS spokespersons of some sort. I mean, how else can it be explained that people without Macs would waste their time here (on a Mac specific forum) calling us "fanboys" and what not.

Considering people with Macbook Airs (i.e you) and Mac Pros (i.e. the guy that calls SJ Hitler), I would hardly think to be MS employees. You guys are just upset that SJ "supposedly" dissed you by not putting BD in Macs. All I say is I can't blame the guy. I am not opposed to BD (and I never said I was) - I have dedicated BD players to watch movies on. If I watch a BD (which I like to do when I have them), my choices of viewing screen are a 92" screen and a 50" display in that order. I wouldn't even consider watching a BD on a 27" display (my iMac) or a 13" display (my MBP).

The other night I wanted to watch something before going to sleep. I was waiting for new BDs to arrive from Netflix and I did not feel like going to a Red Box or video store ( I am not even sure if there are any still in business). Renting a movie from Apple TV was very convenient as opposed to going out in the snow and cold (its single digits here in the great land of 10,000 lakes) and the picture quality was impressive. No it was not as clear as BD but still impressive for a stream which is a sign of where things are heading.

 

[wonderspark]

I'm annoyed by Steve's habit of declaring something dead, "a bag of hurt," "not taking off at this time," and so on, but I'm always comforted by the fact that it usually acts as a challenge to those that can figure out little hacks and tricks to make such things work anyway, in spite of him.

I still like my iPhone 3GS, because the jailbreak makes it work how *I* want it to work. There's an excellent chance I'll switch to Android when my contract ends this summer, simply because I still can't see a lot of content that others can on their Flash-using phones.

Blu-ray... this really frustrates me. As a video editor, it truly sucks that I can't watch my own content on the machine that created it using a 30" Cinema Display. On the one hand, I feel Blu-ray isn't done any justice unless it's viewed on a larger HDTV, but forcing me to buy such a setup means less money spent on Apple products. The money to buy a good TV and Blu-ray player might have gone to a convenient Mac laptop, or new iPod, or maybe even a silly iPad as a gift to my girlfriend. I don't think Steve has thought of that.

Blocking technology is akin to biting the hand that feeds you, and even though Apple will do very well through this decade with all the iStuff, I feel they are setting themselves up for failure in the future by rejecting what people want and need today.

I like Apple products, but I honestly feel they aren't better... just different. The iPhone has a very nice design, but it still cracks if you drop it, just like any other phone will stay pristine if well cared-for.

 

[wonderspark]

Considering people with Macbook Airs (i.e you) and Mac Pros (i.e. the guy that calls SJ Hitler), I would hardly think to be MS employees. You guys are just upset that SJ "supposedly" dissed you by not putting BD in Macs. All I say is I can't blame the guy. I am not opposed to BD (and I never said I was) - I have dedicated BD players to watch movies on. If I watch a BD (which I like to do when I have them), my choices of viewing screen are a 92" screen and a 50" display in that order. I wouldn't even consider watching a BD on a 27" display (my iMac) or a 13" display (my MBP).

The other night I wanted to watch something before going to sleep. I was waiting for new BDs to arrive from Netflix and I did not feeling like going to a Red Box or video store ( I am not even sure if there are any still in business). Renting a movie from Apple TV was very convenient as opposed to going out in the snow and cold (its single digits here in the great land of 10,000 lakes) and the picture quality was impressive. No it was not as clear as BD but still impressive for a stream which is a sign of where things are heading.

Concur on watching BR on a large TV, but as "impressive" as streaming has become these days, I am not a fan of the idea that we will never own a movie in the future. Sometimes, you just want to watch a scene or two for inspiration, as one example. That's not fun to deal with in streaming content. It's a form of control being taken away from me that I'm not willing to accept just yet. Also, the fact remains that data doesn't flow seamlessly, and it never has. I doubt we will ever escape outages and bottlenecks that make streaming content so annoying. Then there's the ads. At least you can skip them on a disc!

All I'm asking for is the option to use a disc. Is that so much to want?

 

[Tsuchiya]

It's a bit annoying that he is ruling them out completely, its not exactly a big deal to add in a BD drive for those who want them and will pay out extra for it.
I'm a huge movie addict, love em. Of course when I want to watch a film, I would rather watch a BD through a dedicated player on my Bravia screen downstairs. However, when it's fairly late or the main TV is in use, I wouldn't mind being able to watch a film on my laptop.

Also, making BD backups of important files, especially family videos taken on our HD camcorder would be great.

I think it just boils down to what one needs their computer for. Sure Macs are great, and my MacBook Pro has been a pleasure to own for the past 3 years. However, if my needs aren't being met anymore, Apple can't expect all of it's users to agree with them and force themselves to make changes based on what Steve Jobs decides upon.

 

[wonderspark]

Exactly. Instead of buying that Mac laptop, I might buy a PC laptop that does what I need. Money lost by Apple when the cost of offering a solution is so small.

 

[Hal Itosis]

This is not news.
There is nothing "new" here.
It's just a honeypot for whiners.

So why does it still stink up the "news" page?

BD ain't on the Macintosh menu.
Deal with it... or say something NEW and interesting.

Else bury this redundant garbage in the Archives where it belongs.