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You can be average all you want buddy, no one's stopping you.
In fact, netbooks are on sale at Best Buy right now.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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In fact, netbooks are on sale at Best Buy right now.
Nah, not really. Just check the thread's post <list> to see what's really happening. Folks are discussing the issue here from various viewpoints, and there is a fair amount of multi-posting. There has also been a lot of "baiting" going on, and many of my posts were compulsory (and/or compulsive) attempts to weed out the wackiness.
My signing on as a member here came about midst the infamous "Waiting For Arrandale" saga. Now that was a thread (closed and restarted several times) about which one could conclude that a huge demand existed. The post count last time i saw it tallied was well over 20,000.
Apple is a member, or at least a licensor, or almost every patent pool company that controls the tech in Blu-Ray. MPEG2, h264, these are things Apple already has implemented in their system. I disagree with those who have said it is hard to implement - I think Apple is capable and so is their hardware. Boot your mac into windows, plug in a blu-ray drive, and it will play without ripping a .mkv file or by some other work around.
As for the often quoted "bag of hurt", remember that Jobs will deflect a question that he doesn't want to answer by crapping on the competition. He's done it with netbooks, tablets, etc.
I don't blame him. But now people cite that awful quote without questioning it. He's a salesman, and making his products look good, or others look bad, is part of selling.
Yes, that would probably be MPEGLA, the patent pool company behind H264 - and the other dustup on these boards about online video formats. They sue everyone. Their news section is full of announcements detailing people they are suing or people they have defeated in court.
I'm not sure "what's really happening" even after looking at the link. The top posters on this thread have barely more than 4% of the posts each. The top posters on the "MacBook Pro Next Thursday" thread have more than 12% each. "What's happening" there?
Some people have a compulsion to introduce tangents and irrelevant points. Is it surprising that a long-running thread ends up with a relatively small number of posters who are interested in the topic? What's the point of linking to a "post count" page?
That's all that's "really happening here". The people who "couldn't care less" aren't posting. Those who have an argument on one side or the other continue to post. Looking at the post counts is a meaningless exercise in distraction - what you do when you no longer have an effective argument. It's ad hominem, when you don't have an argument, you attack the people on the "other side".
I can hardly wait for Apple to support Blu-ray, so that we can declare a winner here
.Only three more posts to get to second place above linux2mac! <bold><sarcasm></bold>
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If that's true, it means Apple is likely ready to add the technology to their computers. I'm sure that will likely make some in this thread nothing short of ecstatic.
I don't doubt Apple's hardware is up to snuff on running Blu-Ray. FCS supports Blu-Ray. However, just because Microsoft, one of the founders of the Advanced Access Content System Licensing Administrator (AACS LA) that put together the encryption for Blu-Ray, does not mean it is an easy thing. Even Sony has reportedly managed to nuke their Blu-Ray drives (LINK). And please don't get me started on AACS's "Managed Copy."
Agreed. Steve is not one to "show his hand," and it sounds like you don't blame him. Why give the competition advanced notice, right? I seriously doubt Apple will avoid Blu-Ray if the public embraces it and its absence has likely anything but a negligible impact on sales (I say this with some sympathy, of course, to those desiring Blu-Ray on their portables.).
Or LG Suing Sony over Blu-Ray and Sony suing LG over Blu-Ray. Link and Link
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That's one way to look at it. But it's also true that the top ten posters account for 34% of the posts... while simultaneously representing only 1.3% of the membership who have paricipated thus far [771 by my count (thanks to wc -l).]
Care to calculate what percent of all MR members the number 771 represents? I.e., not much interested in BD it would seem.
(at least not enough to even chime in that is)Anyway, back to the trenches.
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Thanks. Didn't know that. Doesn't mean that Coen Brothers aren't cursing Apple behind the scenes, though.
Uh, yeah, I'll concede that when you concede that the Coen Brothers are cursing Jobs and Apple every step of the way behind their backs.
Give it time.delivers.
BLU-RAY COMING TO APPLE! FALL 2020!! OS XII Hummingbird.
Wow. And I'll bet the combined monetary outlay of those three posters alone on Apple beats what you spent on your iPhone. INCLUDING service bills from day one.
That's one way to look at it. But it's also true that the top ten posters account for 34% of the posts... while simultaneously representing only 1.3% of the membership who have paricipated thus far [771 by my count (thanks to wc -l).]
Care to calculate what percent of all MR members the number 771 represents? I.e., not much interested in BD it would seem.
Anyway, back to the trenches.
Care to explain what *any* of that means?
Not arguing that your numbers are wrong, but I'm trying to understand why you think that any of those numbers are important.
Some MacRumours members have some opinions on both sides of this topic - and if you count posts we show up from both sides. BFD, I think. Debate the topics, don't insinuate based on useless post count statistics. What does it matter if 771 of 34% of 1.3%of 5102 have done....
Comment on the discussion, not whether 771 of 34% of 1.3% of 5102 have exercised their freedom to express their opinion.
If you disagree with their opinion - state and defend that. Don't hide behind claims of 771 of 34% of 1.3% of 5102....
And to repeat, care to explain what *any* of that nonsense about 771 of 34% of 1.3% of 5102 means?
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I have two schools of thought on Blu-Ray:
1) By Apple not adopting Blu-Ray, it FORCES distributors to use the more convenient distribution system (IMO) the internet.
2) However, with bandwidth caps looming throughout the world, people may consume less media, and the industry will take a nose-dive. (Could be a good thing though, people need to get out more...)
1) By Apple not adopting Blu-Ray, it FORCES distributors to use the more convenient distribution system (IMO) the internet.
2) However, with bandwidth caps looming throughout the world, people may consume less media, and the industry will take a nose-dive. (Could be a good thing though, people need to get out more...)
More like The Coen Brothers have enough money to buy the best tools for their needs no matter how much that might cost. So if Avid or Premiere or some other item is the best then that is what they would get.
About something that had nothing to do with Final Cut at all.
Well, i don't really claim they're important. It was just that fellow member lPHONE remarked how this thread (its size, duration, or whatever) somehow represented that "a large amount of Mac users gave 2 shakes about BD." At first blush, 5000 posts might feel like thousands of posters. However —due to the exuberance of a small number of posters (let's say 30) —the reality is much less. Far less than 1,000 participants have bothered to "join" this thread... which began last summer btw (some seven months ago).
It's not hard to derive a "mathematical" meaning. This site has over 540,000 members. So, less than 0.15% (less than two-tenths of one percent) of them are expressing any interest whatsoever... despite the best efforts of you and your comrades to keep it bubbling up to the top of the news feed for well over half a year.
Them's just the facts.
The metaphysical meaning of which i'll leave to the (now informed) readership.
BLU-RAY COMING TO APPLE! FALL 2020!! OS XII Hummingbird.
LOL
In all deference to those legitimately seeking Macs to consumer commercial films, I have to inquire if your longing emanates more from the consumer or prosumer? I ask because you have cited your needs for BD as a professional, and I cannot believe you would think BD-equipped Macs will determine if Blu-Ray succeeds.
Finally, I know how fond you are of iToys. I actually managed to come across some news about them being used in film production and thought I'd share. LINK and LINK
Good night.
Although it's a tired cliche to mock wedding videographers try doing a same day edit shooting w/a tapeless camera (P2, EX, DSLR, etc.,) and FCP. While FCP is transcoding or rewrapping footage Avid and PPro are sitting their waiting to edit. Not sure what one has to do with the other as they are different skill sets with different needs.
The Coen Brothers and Walter Murch (who, BTW, had no problems hoping back to Avid to finish up editing The Wolfman) aren't the only note worthy feature editors in Hollywood. Thelma Shoonmaker, Michael Kahn, Joe Hutshing, Sally Menke, etc., aren't half bad despite the fact they don't use FCP.
Lethal
Thanks for the summary. Just what I was looking for.
Reading almost 1500 posts in this thread, all I can say is that Apple is trying to be a bitch for absolutely no reason (reasons that interest them and only them).
If physical media is going to die someday, why would you want that today? Why not just make it a smooth transition?
Sad is all I can say.
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I largely agree with what you said, nice post.
I think people against Blu-Ray are just trying to throw out any and all physical media without thought because it's trendy and "the future" with no regard to quality. Quality comes first for me, but I'm no physical media horder.
I'm not exactly a physical media horder. All my CDs are ripped to ALAC and banished to a box in the basement. Even my audiophile formats (DVD-A, SACD, Blu-Ray, vinyl) are ripped to high-res FLAC and banished to the basement. I've got about 6 TB of storage on a NAS for my music, photos, and a lot of video. I have a few gigabytes tied up in HD cable rips of TV shows and Star Wars (which I can delete when the Blu-Rays come out). Do I sound like someone who doesn't believe in digital media?
I used to rip my DVDs (without reencoding, for the highest quality) and then when I ate up all my disk space, I came to the realization -- movies take up a lot of space for relatively few viewings. Same goes for the Blu-Rays. Sure I can rip them but the cost in bytes is too high for the amount I will enjoy them, so I'm fine with having some discs laying around in keep cases until storage increases by an order of magnitude to do raw disc rips. See, I'm not against the convenience of rips and living a disc-free life; to me it's a cost-benefits analysis of how much it costs me in hard drive storage versus how much I will actually use it.
Let me explain some inside-baseball; DVD had the same issues yet somehow Steve got a DVD player in the OS. There was (is) a DVD licensing body, the DVD Forum. To build a DVD player, you had to license MPEG-2 (which I believe now falls under the MPEG Licensing Authority), Dolby, DTS, and several other patents held by various companies like IBM, Toshiba, Sony, Philips, et al. Rather than requiring DVD player manufacturers to separately license technology from a dozen different companies, they set up a single company to act as a clearing house for acquiring licenses. This is the same development that has happened in Blu-Ray since 2008 when Steve made his "Bag of hurt" comment.
The reason these companies go after "entities they feel have not properly licensed the technology" is because companies, especially out of China, are blatant in their disregard for patents and licenses. They build and sell DVD players for $19 when the license fees alone per unit are more than that. The Chinese don't believe in intellectual property and have no problems stealing code.
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Apple Stores used Windows CE handheld point-of-sale systems until late 2009, it cuts both ways.
I am embarrassed. I am looking for an appropriate photo to give myself a face palm. Second place should go to Aiden. Besides, I didn't start multi-quoting until later.
I'm not sure "what's really happening" even after looking at the link. The top posters on this thread have barely more than 4% of the posts each. The top posters on the "MacBook Pro Next Thursday" thread have more than 12% each. "What's happening" there?
*Cough* *Cough* The world does not care about BD in Macs.
Congratulations! Admission is the first step towards recovery.
I can hardly wait for Apple to support Blu-ray, so that we can declare a winner here
*Cough* *Cough* Again. This isn't a competition. Everyone will still win if Apple supports BD.
linux2mac Disclaimer: I am not against the option for BD in Macs nor am I against BD.
**I felt I had to include that so that I am not falsely accused of being a "BD hating sheep and follower of the dark turtlenecked sith lord."
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My movie collection represents a collection of films that I know I will watch repeatedly throughout my life. If I think I'm only going to watch the movie once, then I'll rent it for now via Netflix. If I love it and want to keep it, I'll seek out other methods of digitally storing it in my collection. I also really love/need my collection at my fingertips for travel. It's only a matter of time before Western Digital releases a 2 TB passport that I can bring everywhere along with my laptop.
It appears you have a much larger collection of media then I do. When I decided to rid myself of discs, I bought a 2 TB HD and just hoped it would be enough. Because DVDs max out at 8 GBs I was in the clear with respect to my collection. People like to compress after ripping to save space on their HD's and convert formats for use on other devices. For me, DVD rips don't require this work because those files are easy to handle with respect to their size. BDs are another story entirely. Those files are much larger as you know, so that's when HD space can potentially become an issue. People would argue that you could rip a BD and then compress it, but seeing that I don't have an external BD drive and that Macs aren't by default Blu-ray friendly, it turns me off. I'd much rather just purchase an HD film digitally (where the size of the file is smaller than one of my DVD rips) but again DRM is the issue.
I think what fuels the "720p is good enough for me" argument is that people simply prefer the convenience of not having to handle discs. It started when CD sales were dying to digital downloads, and it's seeping to movies too. As great as 1080p is, there is something to be said for the convenience of 1080i/720p movies that are available to me via my cable HD set-top box in my bedroom.
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The world does not care about Macs.
See how silly it is to generalise just because the majority are apathetic?
Apparently I'm barely helping the bloat. Sorry. I'll try to come up with something original. Apparently the new goal is 20K?
I think Carniphage actually deserves the gold. 180 posts in only a month and a half or so.
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