Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[MacNewsFix]

It's like this:
A baker bakes a batch of cookies, but a dude in a turtleneck is standing beside him with a spatula to smack the s%*t out his hand if he tries to eat one, just to see how good they taste.

LOL! I love the visual. Is it like the image below?

Is it really Apple and Steve Jobs greedily trying to save money or is it the nightmarish licensing they claim is heinous? There are a lot of armchair quarterbacks in this thread (I am NOT claiming you are among them) that profess to having nothing short of scientific evidence that Apple and Jobs are lying. However, if you use Google to search for Blu-Ray licensing, it sure doesn't pain a pretty picture and goes a long way toward backing up Apple's "bag of hurt" and "mafia" claims.

Just a few examples:

http://blog.cdrom2go.com/2011/01/one-blue-aims-to-simplify-blu-ray-licensing-process/

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2009/10...in-mac-os-x-right-owners-block-implementation

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/03/11/good-news-for-boosting-blu-ray-adoption-in-computers

http://www.betanews.com/article/Unified-Bluray-licensing-is-remedy-to-bag-of-hurt/1235601079

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595446/blu-ray-licensing-cartel-starts-operation

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu-ray-disc/warner-heads-blu-ray-license-group-18677

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/videoencodvd/revfeat/bluray_blues/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storag...ensing_Organization_Initiates_Operations.html

If putting Blu-Ray in a device was such a non-issue and extremely lucrative, why would Apple ever want to leave money on the table? Jobs is on the board of Disney and its biggest shareholder last I checked, and Disney puts out many films in Blu-Ray.

 

[wonderspark]

Ok, so here's to hoping the next FCS blows away CS5!

What makes all the argument against Blu-ray playback in a Mac fall on its face for me is that PCs play them, and there are a whole lot more PCs than Macs out there, so WTF mate? Apple doesn't want to pay some license fees... fine. It's just sad that Microsoft figured it out somehow, and the statement of "It just works" is only true unless you mean Blu-ray or Flash. Then "it just doesn't work." And it's all because of fees? Apple, with what... 60 billion dollars in cash? All that success, and they can't work something out? What seems more likely... A Blu-ray Mafia or a greedy Apple?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

About leaving money on the table - they feel more money is on the download table, and they want to see discs die so they can make more money forcing people to pay every time they watch something. No more watching a movie over and over for one price... Pay $10 every time, suckers! It makes me ill.

 

[LethalWolfe]

According to the 2009 ACE Equipment Survey (the latest I could find published), it is a little over 2:1, Avid to FCS.

The '09 survey has Avid at 76%, FCP at 19% and 'other' at 5% so it is over 3:1 in favor of Avid. That's still in line w/what I said though that both NLE's are used on major projects but Avid is used more often.

Legal download sales of music singles had a flat year, but combined with downloaded albums, it actually saw growth. Meanwhile, DVD sales dropped by over 300 million in 2010.

I didn't say it didn't see growth, I said it's growth is stalling. It's starting to reach it's saturation point in the currently available markets and level off. Just like all new formats do. I think what is surprising though is that it seems to have peaked so soon. I think most people assumed it would replace, or come close to replacing, CD sales but that's not the case right now.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that DVD sales are dropping. The format is past its peak, people are buying Blu-ray, people are illegally downloading/streaming movies, people are legally downloading/streaming and overall people have more things competing for their free time than as recently as 6-7 years ago.

IMO, the assumptions about physical media being dead are fundamentally flawed because they all hinge on fast, reliable, affordable, uncapped broadband. Globally how many people have access to that kind of internet connection? Of those how many have access to the likes of iTMS and Netfix? It's myopic to use the middle class/upper middle class in first world nations as a global baseline. Eventually we'll get there but until then I don't see the point in shunning currently available technology because there is a promise of better tech in the future. I mean, eventually I think landline internet is going to follow the path of landline phones but I'm not going to advocate canceling cable, DSL, or Fibre based ISPs today because wireless might be a better option 10 years from now.

I guess the Coen Brothers are amateurs. They used Final Cut Studio on their latest feature.

I didn't see where AidenShaw said people using FCP were amateurs but to comment on what AidenShaw actually said, there hasn't been a signifiant upgrade to the Final Cut Suite since '07 (the most extreme example is DVD SP has been on version 4 since '05) while Adobe and Avid have been releasing gangbuster update after gangbuster update over the same time span. Couple that with things like Final Cut Server not seeming to get any love, the wasted partnership with Red and the discontinuation of the Xserve and lots of people are wondering what the future will hold.

Apple has been almost completely focused on the iDevices the past 4 years and many people are wondering how much they will recommit themselves to not just their traditional home computer user base but to their higher-end, professional user base as well. At least in the circles I run in, and thanks to the internet I frequently interact w/editors across the globe, almost everyone based on FCS is concerned to some extent about the future of the Pro Apps at Apple. Some people are very worried because FCP is all they know and it's low price helped get them off the ground and others are not so worried because they been around much longer and survived previous 'equipment shifts' (linear to nonlinear, analog to digital, etc.,).


Lethal

 

[linux2mac]

I didn't see where AidenShaw said people using FCP were amateurs but to comment on what AidenShaw actually said, there hasn't been a signifiant upgrade to the Final Cut Suite since '07 (the most extreme example is DVD SP has been on version 4 since '05) while Adobe and Avid have been releasing gangbuster update after gangbuster update over the same time span. Couple that with things like Final Cut Server not seeming to get any love, the wasted partnership with Red and the discontinuation of the Xserve and lots of people are wondering what the future will hold.

Apple has been almost completely focused on the iDevices the past 4 years and many people are wondering how much they will recommit themselves to not just their traditional home computer user base but to their higher-end, professional user base as well. At least in the circles I run in, and thanks to the internet I frequently interact w/editors across the globe, almost everyone based on FCS is concerned to some extent about the future of the Pro Apps at Apple. Some people are very worried because FCP is all they know and it's low price helped get them off the ground and others are not so worried because they been around much longer and survived previous 'equipment shifts' (linear to nonlinear, analog to digital, etc.,).


Lethal

I was merely pointing out that Hollywood pros like the Coen Brothers are still using Apple products in contrast to the many here in this thread that are quick to say Apple no longer caters to the "professionals" anymore due to lack of BD. Thanks for explaining your concerns with the "iDevices", I see what you mean. Too bad others can't do the same and are quick to call us folks that don't agree with them names like "followers of the dark turtlenecked shadow sith underworld lord" or whatever silly moniker they choose to use in a weak attempt to insult Steve (I am sure he is crying all the way to the bank - LOL ).

 

[MacNewsFix]

Ok, so here's to hoping the next FCS blows away CS5!

Hope springs eternal.

What makes all the argument against Blu-ray playback in a Mac fall on its face for me is that PCs play them, and there are a whole lot more PCs than Macs out there, so WTF mate? Apple doesn't want to pay some license fees... fine. It's just sad that Microsoft figured it out somehow, and the statement of "It just works" is only true unless you mean Blu-ray or Flash. Then "it just doesn't work." And it's all because of fees? Apple, with what... 60 billion dollars in cash? All that success, and they can't work something out? What seems more likely... A Blu-ray Mafia or a greedy Apple?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't think they've been anything but candid on their gripe with BD (see "bag of hurt"). If the licensing issue really was that simple, why do licensees have to collaborate and create organizations to streamline the licensing process? Also, if you search the Internet, you'll see that the license holders are creating bodies to go after entities that they feel have not properly licensed the technology. Are they going to bother going after street vendors in China for selling bootleg Blu-Rays? Highly unlikely. They'll go after companies with deep pockets. I believe some articles I have linked to have discussed the possibility that, if Blu-Ray catches on significantly, licenses holders may increase their fees. The articles also intimated that Apple has approached some of these organizations and found the terms highly undesirable.

As for Flash, that is a completely different matter and we'll save for another day. Let's just leave it with Adobe now reaping what it sowed.

About leaving money on the table - they feel more money is on the download table, and they want to see discs die so they can make more money forcing people to pay every time they watch something. No more watching a movie over and over for one price... Pay $10 every time, suckers! It makes me ill.

Depending on from where you hail, you can buy movies in online stores like iTunes or the Zune Store, thus eliminating having to constantly download them every time you want to watch a particular film. Alternatively, there are companies like Netflix (again, not sure if it is in your country) offering ala carte services for a nominal fee.

What makes me ill is Hollywood's propensity for DRM and treating paying customers like crooks. Expecting me to repeatedly purchase the same film so I can watch it on a different device is insulting.

As for what Apple wants to see die, I have to believe Apple knows what they want is irrelevant. Whether physical media dies or not will not be determined by Apple but instead by the buying public.

Cheers.

 

[wonderspark]

Depending on from where you hail, you can buy movies in online stores like iTunes or the Zune Store, thus eliminating having to constantly download them every time you want to watch a particular film. Alternatively, there are companies like Netflix (again, not sure if it is in your country) offering ala carte services for a nominal fee.

What makes me ill is Hollywood's propensity for DRM and treating paying customers like crooks. Expecting me to repeatedly purchase the same film so I can watch it on a different device is insulting.

As for what Apple wants to see die, I have to believe Apple knows what they want is irrelevant. Whether physical media dies or not will not be determined by Apple but instead by the buying public.

Cheers.

Well, iTunes and Zune, as far as I can tell, don't provide the same quality... only HalfHD 720p, so that's no good.

I'll just work around the issue until it's solved. I read a nice bit of news about some sort of agreement on April Fool's Day of this year, whereby something called One-Blue might change things for the better.
http://www.one-blue.com/press/

 

[MacNewsFix]

The '09 survey has Avid at 76%, FCP at 19% and 'other' at 5% so it is over 3:1 in favor of Avid. That's still in line w/what I said though that both NLE's are used on major projects but Avid is used more often.

I'm using data from the following, which lists FCS at 19.23% and Avid at 48.46%. That comes about 2.5 to 1. Hey, we can split the difference! LOL! Maybe you have more updated numbers.

http://ace-filmeditors.org/2009-ace-equipment-survey/

Regardless, that's pretty impressive, especially considering how long Avid has been around and is more than twice the price.

BTW, I almost spit my coffee out when I saw Apple with 86.92% market share. Holy crap! I knew Apple was popular in the film business, I just didn't realize how much.

I didn't say it didn't see growth, I said it's growth is stalling. It's starting to reach it's saturation point in the currently available markets and level off. Just like all new formats do. I think what is surprising though is that it seems to have peaked so soon. I think most people assumed it would replace, or come close to replacing, CD sales but that's not the case right now.

I didn't say you did. Take a deep breath. We can agree to disagree and still respect each other.

The only gripes I ever have are with, and I am NOT including you, some of the know-it-all-know-nothings that jump on anyone with a different opinion and berate them incessantly looking for any bit if minutia to nit-pick because they apparently have no life. It's as if they are convinced that someone's opinion will make or break the future of Blu-Ray. LOL

Anyway, back to the topic.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that DVD sales are dropping. The format is past its peak, people are buying Blu-ray, people are illegally downloading/streaming movies, people are legally downloading/streaming and overall people have more things competing for their free time than as recently as 6-7 years ago.

IMO, the assumptions about physical media being dead are fundamentally flawed because they all hinge on fast, reliable, affordable, uncapped broadband. Globally how many people have access to that kind of internet connection? Of those how many have access to the likes of iTMS and Netfix? It's myopic to use the middle class/upper middle class in first world nations as a global baseline. Eventually we'll get there but until then I don't see the point in shunning currently available technology because there is a promise of better tech in the future. I mean, eventually I think landline internet is going to follow the path of landline phones but I'm not going to advocate canceling cable, DSL, or Fibre based ISPs today because wireless might be a better option 10 years from now.


Lethal

I cannot agree more that we are in an unprecedented time when so many options are available for our free time. While DVD sales are dropping, and Blu-Ray sales increasing, Blu-Rays sales are not increasing at a rate to balance out DVDs' decline. 76 million Blu-Ray sales last year still left more than a 238 million unit decline in the overall sales of films in physical media.

I hear what you are saying about CD sales, but I have a hard time not being bearish when I read things like the following:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplifier/70991/2010-album-sales-way-worse-than-2009-album-sales/

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/19/cd.digital.sales/index.html

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=1870158

I wouldn't be surprised that, at some point, we'll reach an inflection point when Blu-Ray sales surpass DVD sales (right now 76 million to 644 million), but it may be all for naught. People will possibly have become comfortable with the quality delivered by on demand services. You have a good point that cable internet providers could institute low caps like in some places, or get greedy and raise prices, however I have faith the public (at least in the U.S.) will retaliate against such moves.

Time will tell.

Cheers.

P.S. For the record, I never shun anyone for using Blu-Ray. It is a free country (at least where I am). I just report what I read and see. To each their own.

Well, iTunes and Zune, as far as I can tell, don't provide the same quality... only HalfHD 720p, so that's no good.

I'll just work around the issue until it's solved. I read a nice bit of news about some sort of agreement on April Fool's Day of this year, whereby something called One-Blue might change things for the better.
http://www.one-blue.com/press/

I believe the Zune store claims to have 1080p video. However, I am sure some may argue that it fails to be true 1080p. Of course, depending on your circumstances, it may be a moot point, and the Zune Store's 1080p may be suitable for your needs/desires. I'm not keen on their DRM, though. In the meantime, you may want to digitize your BD if you have a BD drive and Mac.

The One-Blue looks promising, and I think I even have mentioned or linked to them in the past. Too bad for all those waiting with bated breath for a BD-equipped MBP, the new MBPs are set to come out prior to 4/1/11.

 

[LethalWolfe]

I'm using data from the following, which lists FCS at 19.23% and Avid at 48.46%. That comes about 2.5 to 1. Hey, we can split the difference! LOL! Maybe you have more updated numbers.

http://ace-filmeditors.org/2009-ace-equipment-survey/

Regardless, that's pretty impressive, especially considering how long Avid has been around and is more than twice the price.

Ah, I see where the confusion is. Adrenaline is Avid. Adrenaline was their hardware iteration after Meridian but before DX (which is their current hardware).

I didn't say you did. Take a deep breath. We can agree to disagree and still respect each other.

Was intending to come on so strong. My bad.

I hear what you are saying about CD sales, but I have a hard time not being bearish when I read things like the following:

I totally agree that CD sales are in a free fall but I've been hearing that MP3s and the internet are going to kill the CD (as well as the major labels) since '99. We are in 2011 and CDs are still outselling legal downloads in spite of CDs falling off a cliff. I think the free fall will eventually level off and legal downloads are expect to surpass CDs sales in the next 1-3 years (depending on who you ask) but there will still be a massive drop off in revenue because it doesn't look like legal downloads will ever come close to generating the types of numbers CDs did in their heyday. Again, that has to be expected IMO because there are so many more options for consumers now (both legal and not) than before but I just didn't expect the gap to be so wide.


Lethal

 

[MacNewsFix]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now MY bad.

No worries, brother. Tempers flare so much in this thread, it's like the wild west. Half the time I am defending people who choose to watch films in less than 24fps 1080p, I am accused of being a "download elitist." What the what?!! LOL

Ah, I see where the confusion is. Adrenaline is Avid. Adrenaline was their hardware iteration after Meridian but before DX (which is their current hardware).

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now MY bad. LOL

I totally agree that CD sales are in a free fall but I've been hearing that MP3s and the internet are going to kill the CD (as well as the major labels) since '99. We are in 2011 and CDs are still outselling legal downloads in spite of CDs falling off a cliff. I think the free fall will eventually level off and legal downloads are expect to surpass CDs sales in the next 1-3 years (depending on who you ask) but there will still be a massive drop off in revenue because it doesn't look like legal downloads will ever come close to generating the types of numbers CDs did in their heyday. Again, that has to be expected IMO because there are so many more options for consumers now (both legal and not) than before but I just didn't expect the gap to be so wide.


Lethal

I'm not sure how old you are, but I remember the 45. It was great for those times when an album mainly blew except for one track. Alternatively, I would often find the B-side to have a great track that would motivate me to plop down $ for the whole album and possibly catch a band's concert.

When the CD arrived, the promise was that, as they were cheaper to make than LPs, they would ultimately be better price-wise for the consumer. We were told that, once mass adoption occurred, the price would come down; except they never really did. On top of that, CD-singles were quickly phased out with the exception of some rap and hip hop music. For more than a decade, consumers were forced to buy an entire album, sometimes for just one track. Ridiculous! It wasn't until the advent of the iTunes Store that singles became available again (Thank you, turtle-necked overlord!). Of course, when the public is no longer forced to buy whole albums simply for one or two tracks, the music industry is going to take a hit.

The downside to digital music is that, besides it being inferior to vinyl from a spatial imaging and warmth standpoint, I find I have a harder time connecting to the musician without the album art, etc. I found the CD jewel case also a weak substitute. Apple has tried to incorporate that kind of feature into some albums but, to date, has missed the mark. Ironically, many movie studios are yanking special features from Netflix rentals, thus killing the likelihood of someone like me being swayed to go out and buy the movie.
*sigh*

I guess we can take some solace in the fact that the Internet and social networking is helping democratize music and letting little known bands that many never have been discovered connect with the public. It's also allowing some musicians to keep more money in their pockets.

 

[charlituna]

P.S. At least we know the preferred film editing solution used by the overlords in Redmond: iMovie.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_macs_to_announce_microsoft_partnership.html

As amusing as that tidbit was, to me it still doesn't top the discovery that the great Churro and Laptop Hunter ads were created by an ad agency that is publicly known for being 100% Mac users (and had been for like 5 years at that point)

 

[charlituna]

I didn't see where AidenShaw said people using FCP were amateurs but to comment on what AidenShaw actually said, there hasn't been a signifiant upgrade to the Final Cut Suite since '07

Despite this detail and despite the implications around here that the software is old, outdated and utter crap, folks like the Coen Brothers, like David Fincher, like Walter Murch -- one of if not THE godfather of film editing, like 9 of the 10 nominees for Best Docu in 2010 all used Final Cut Studio. So either they are stupid or the software isn't as bad as folks want to claim. Maybe, lets ponder for giggles, the lack of updates compared to Premiere, Avid etc is because Final Cut wasn't as buggy etc when it was finally released so it didn't need to be fixed all the time. Something to consider.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Despite this detail and despite the implications around here that the software is old, outdated and utter crap, folks like the Coen Brothers, like David Fincher, like Walter Murch -- one of if not THE godfather of film editing, like 9 of the 10 nominees for Best Docu in 2010 all used Final Cut Studio. So either they are stupid or the software isn't as bad as folks want to claim. Maybe, lets ponder for giggles, the lack of updates compared to Premiere, Avid etc is because Final Cut wasn't as buggy etc when it was finally released so it didn't need to be fixed all the time. Something to consider.

It's only something to consider if you have little-to-no experience with the programs you are talking about and thus resort to inflammatory, polarizing statements born out of ignorance.


Lethal

 

[xbjllb]

I guess the Coen Brothers are amateurs. They used Final Cut Studio on their latest feature.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/truegrit/

But then again editing a Hollywood feature film probably does not rate as high on the difficulty level scale as editing a wedding or a YouTube video. LOL

The Coen Brothers have enough money to jump through Steve Jobs' malignant hoops when they want to get best quality digital copies of their work to coworkers on their films during production. They also have little need to take that work when it is finished and do limited distribution from 500-2000 PROMOTIONAL copies like 99% of other businesses do.

And there is no way to know that the Coen Brothers TOO, are ALSO CURSING STEVE JOBS AND APPLE EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES BEHIND THE SCENES but still going with FCS because it's what they know and their monetary investment in it.

 

[mpaul]

The Coen Brothers have enough money to jump through Steve Jobs' malignant hoops when they want to get best quality digital copies of their work to coworkers on their films during production. They also have little need to take that work when it is finished and do limited distribution from 500-2000 PROMOTIONAL copies like 99% of other businesses do.

And there is no way to know that the Coen Brothers TOO, are ALSO CURSING STEVE JOBS AND APPLE EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES BEHIND THE SCENES but still going with FCS because it's what they know and their monetary investment in it.

As far as I know, the only artist who "bashed" Apple publicly was Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, who also used Final Cut Pro back in 2001 for the production of "And All That Could Have Been" live tour documentary (there's a note on the DVD package, and also on Wikipedia), and he's always "up-to-date" when it comes to deliver its creations on the last High-Fidelity media available:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/05/trent-reznor-has-a-few-choice-words-for-apple/

 

[linux2mac]

As amusing as that tidbit was, to me it still doesn't top the discovery that the great Churro and Laptop Hunter ads were created by an ad agency that is publicly known for being 100% Mac users (and had been for like 5 years at that point)

But Apple should still be embarrassed because an inferior OS like Windows supports BD as the die hard BD folks continue to point out. LOL

Sure, let them believe that while I continue to have zero issues. Let's see, I got my first Mac in October 2009 and I still have not had to trouble shoot anything yet. Can't say the same for my Windows days. LOL

The Coen Brothers have enough money to jump through Steve Jobs' malignant hoops when they want to get best quality digital copies of their work to coworkers on their films during production. They also have little need to take that work when it is finished and do limited distribution from 500-2000 PROMOTIONAL copies like 99% of other businesses do.

And there is no way to know that the Coen Brothers TOO, are ALSO CURSING STEVE JOBS AND APPLE EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES BEHIND THE SCENES but still going with FCS because it's what they know and their monetary investment in it.

So would you concede that the Coen Brothers are professionals using Apple? Or are they Windows fans editing on a 15" VAIO with BD support? LOL

 

[leroypants]

Despite this detail and despite the implications around here that the software is old, outdated and utter crap, folks like the Coen Brothers, like David Fincher, like Walter Murch -- one of if not THE godfather of film editing, like 9 of the 10 nominees for Best Docu in 2010 all used Final Cut Studio.

Just out of curiosity did those films use only final cut from start to finish and deliver a 35mm film, blu ray and dvd, ect only using a mac or were they simply edited on final cut? Did they use other programs or devices to create the 35mm print? Did they use other programs or devices to create the Blu ray version of the film, the digital files or did they just do it all on a mac?

Did you stop to think for a moment that they might just have just a few more resources that your average final cut user? Your average final cut user is not making Hollywood films with multimillion dollar budgets. They simple want to edit and export the highest quality product, which is in order to do you have to run though asinine steps using a mac.

So either they are stupid or the software isn't as bad as folks want to claim. Maybe, lets ponder for giggles, the lack of updates compared to Premiere, Avid etc is because Final Cut wasn't as buggy etc when it was finally released so it didn't need to be fixed all the time. Something to consider.

 

[AidenShaw]

As amusing as that tidbit was, to me it still doesn't top the discovery that the great Churro and Laptop Hunter ads were created by an ad agency that is publicly known for being 100% Mac users (and had been for like 5 years at that point)

No more relevant than the fact that Apple's new data center is mainly full of Sun and IBM computers. Or the fact that a new BMW can arrive at the dealer on a Ford truck.

 

[linux2mac]

No more relevant than the fact that Apple's new data center is mainly full of Sun and IBM computers. Or the fact that a new BMW can arrive at the dealer on a Ford truck.

Let me guess, those Sun and IBM computers are using Windows right? ROFLMAO

Just out of curiosity did those films use only final cut from start to finish and deliver a 35mm film, blu ray and dvd, ect only using a mac or were they simply edited on final cut? Did they use other programs or devices to create the 35mm print? Did they use other programs or devices to create the Blu ray version of the film, the digital files or did they just do it all on a mac?

Did you stop to think for a moment that they might just have just a few more resources that your average final cut user? Your average final cut user is not making Hollywood films with multimillion dollar budgets. They simple want to edit and export the highest quality product, which is in order to do you have to run though asinine steps using a mac.

Nice picture. In case you haven't noticed, you are in a Mac SPECIFIC forum. See, people here like Apple. Professionals like the Coen Brothers that edit feature films use Apple too. But then again those Hollywood blockbusters are probably simple to edit unlike the complexity of editing a wedding right? I can't wait to hear a wedding in 7.1 digital sound. "Ohhhh look at those transitions. Ahhh, what a nice photo collage. Wow, cool font titles." LOL

 

[leroypants]

But Apple should still be embarrassed because an inferior OS like Windows supports BD as the die hard BD folks continue to point out. LOL

They should be embarrassed, luckily apple fanboys will give apple a pass rather than question or even criticize them.

Sure, let them believe that while I continue to have zero issues. Let's see, I got my first Mac in October 2009 and I still have not had to trouble shoot anything yet. Can't say the same for my Windows days. LOL

Insert optional second per post windows bashing. I have zero issues using windows, can can do more with it for less than i can with a mac.

So would you concede that the Coen Brothers are professionals using Apple? Or are they Windows fans editing on a 15" VAIO with BD support? LOL

Yes i would, if would you concede that they had a multi million dollar budget, multiple editors, multiple support staff, multiple other devices and programs unavailable to your average final cut user. I am sure however you will not concede that your typical final cut user does not have the power of a multimillion dollar budget, multiple editors, extra staff, multiple other devices dedicated to creating multiple formats.

Let me guess, those Sun and IBM computers are using Windows right? ROFLMAO

How pathetic apple computers are so expensive that even apple can't afford to use them. I am not sure, Some people might guess yes because windows has about a 90% market share while apple has about a 5% share.

Professionals like the Coen Brothers that edit feature films use Apple too. But then again those Hollywood blockbusters are probably simple to edit unlike the complexity of editing a wedding right?

My guess would be that their are far more people editing wedding, corporate, instructional, etc videos with final cut than their are editing multi million dollar features.

I can't wait to hear a wedding in 7.1 digital sound. "Ohhhh look at those transitions. Ahhh, what a nice photo collage. Wow, cool font titles." LOL

Douche Chills - An overwhelming feeling of uncomfortable embarrassment brought on by watching someone make a fool of himself.

 

[MacNewsFix]

I think this thread is seriously beginning to go off the rails....

......I forgot, was this the Blu-Ray thread? Just kidding!

Oh well. At least we can take some solace that the Mac has close to 90% market share in film editing, so at least it all related.

http://ace-filmeditors.org/2009-ace-equipment-survey/

Happy Sunday, all.

-MacNewsFix

P.S. I propose the first annual "Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon Thread Meetup." We can have it in Vegas.

Of course, it might not be a bad idea to budget in for security. LOL.

 

[wonderspark]

......I forgot, was this the Blu-Ray thread? Just kidding!

Oh well. At least we can take some solace that the Mac has close to 90% market share in film editing, so at least it all related.

http://ace-filmeditors.org/2009-ace-equipment-survey/

Happy Sunday, all.

-MacNewsFix

P.S. I propose the first annual "Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon Thread Meetup." We can have it in Vegas.

Of course, it might not be a bad idea to budget in for security. LOL.

I'm game. It would be great to put faces to names, and eventually agree that we're all on the same team. Some are happy with Macs and Apple exactly how it is, while others see room for improvement, but we all like Macs.

I like Vegas now and then. Last time I went, I hit $800 on a slot, then turned $20 into $135 on roulette, all on the first of four days. We lived like kings the rest of the week. I bought all dinners and thrills, and still was ahead $50 after the drive home!

 

[MacNewsFix]

I like Vegas now and then. Last time I went, I hit $800 on a slot, then turned $20 into $135 on roulette, all on the first of four days. We lived like kings the rest of the week. I bought all dinners and thrills, and still was ahead $50 after the drive home!

Nice! I guess I know who I'm sitting next to at the Black Jack table.

I'm game. It would be great to put faces to names, and eventually agree that we're all on the same team. Some are happy with Macs and Apple exactly how it is, while others see room for improvement, but we all like Macs.

Agreed. There's always room for improvement. Speaking of which, we might get (possibly) Light Peak and (very likely) Sandy Bridge this week or the next!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20033940-64.html

http://veryrite.com/2011/02/19/intel-processor-sandy-bridge-macbook-pro/

 

[lPHONE]

I've said this before:
I don't give 2 shakes about blu-ray, but this thread is evident that a large amount of Mac users do.

Bad call Steve. Correct your mistake.
If you have something better than Blu-Ray then release it, but until then, give them what they want.

 

[iEdd]

Sure, let them believe that while I continue to have zero issues. Let's see, I got my first Mac in October 2009

No wonder you aren't concerned about Blu-ray. You never knew or experienced the pre-iPhone era of Apple, where the iPod was just an accessory on the side, but Macs were the main focus. (Let alone the pre-iPod era, where it was 100% Mac.)

See, I'm not just worried about Blu-ray, but more the new attitude of the company. I'm actually really really worried that Apple are going to become a MacBook Air + Toy company, and just not give a **** about work computers anymore.

I remember when dad bought his Power Macintosh G3. CD-ROM, Zip drive AND floppy, built in. He put a USB card in it a couple of years down the track and it screamed on OS 9.

Whereas Apple of today seem content with just the "Zip drive", ie. last generation disc drive - Digital Very-old Disc (DVD).

 

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No wonder you aren't concerned about Blu-ray. You never knew or experienced the pre-iPhone era of Apple, where the iPod was just an accessory on the side, but Macs were the main focus. (Let alone the pre-iPod era, where it was 100% Mac.)

See, I'm not just worried about Blu-ray, but more the new attitude of the company. I'm actually really really worried that Apple are going to become a MacBook Air + Toy company, and just not give a **** about work computers anymore.

I remember when dad bought his Power Macintosh G3. CD-ROM, Zip drive AND floppy, built in. He put a USB card in it a couple of years down the track and it screamed on OS 9.

Whereas Apple of today seem content with just the "Zip drive", ie. last generation disc drive - Digital Very-old Disc (DVD).

I think we are in a transitional phase in many respects. For example, moving to the cloud (NC data center), an increase in the adoption of SSDs (popularity of the MacBook Air), and then there are the questions of USB3 or Light Peak, Blu-Ray or digital download?

As more and more Windows users defect to the Mac, the proportion of Mac users requiring a 12-core Westmere will drop. That doesn't mean Apple has forgotten about one of its most loyal base of customers. Further, computers have gotten so powerful that, even though they are a fraction of their cost ten years ago, the vast majority of people have less of an incentive to upgrade. At least the pros working on Mac Pros can pick up a BD drive from a third party.

I highly suggest that you and anybody wanting Apple to provide Blu-Ray drives as an option to contact them. Companies pay millions each year for such data. They want your feedback, and I'm guessing they don't pay much attention to forums outside their own.

Give it time. delivers.

BTW, I had one of those G3s like your dad. It replaced my aging Power Mac 7500. I thought it was a beast with its whopping 266 MHz and at the low, low cost of $3500 USD. I thought I'd never have to upgrade again. LOL!!!