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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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The satellite companies require you to have an internet connected DVR for 1080p movies on demand. Why? Because they download them. Eats up your bandwidth, which is capped for some people, and requires hours long downloads.
And resolution is just one part of the equation. Bit-rate, encoder quality, and video codec play an even more important role. Just look at iTunes HD downloads. 720p encoded at 4.5Mbps H.264 video and they look awful. But if you encode something yourself using the x264 H.264 encoder at the same settings, it can look beautiful.
"...the downloadable movie business is rapidly moving to free (Hulu) or rentals (iTunes) so storing purchased movies or TV shows is not an issue.
I think you may be wrong - we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."
I am a film-maker and although I agree with Steve overall there is a difference between film and television. Television has been moving toward free, recently however that is reversing (Hulu Plus). Film has not shifted toward free or ad based at all, and I will curse the day that that happens. Films must always remain paid content. Ads ruin everything a film sets out to achieve! Why would I spend millions of dollars to create and share a vision in film to an audience only to have them RIPPED from that experience with annoying ads?
I refuse! So Steve, sure let TV be ad based, but movies I think will remain premium paid content for rental or purchase! I am all for digital but I want the artistic integrity and purpose of my films to remain in tact! Steve co-founded Pixar and is on Disney's board, I hope he understands this!
Just my two cents
I think you may be wrong - we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."
I am a film-maker and although I agree with Steve overall there is a difference between film and television. Television has been moving toward free, recently however that is reversing (Hulu Plus). Film has not shifted toward free or ad based at all, and I will curse the day that that happens. Films must always remain paid content. Ads ruin everything a film sets out to achieve! Why would I spend millions of dollars to create and share a vision in film to an audience only to have them RIPPED from that experience with annoying ads?
I refuse! So Steve, sure let TV be ad based, but movies I think will remain premium paid content for rental or purchase! I am all for digital but I want the artistic integrity and purpose of my films to remain in tact! Steve co-founded Pixar and is on Disney's board, I hope he understands this!Just my two cents
There are still providers with a cap? May I ask why? And what is up with that expensive monthly fee!
I pay max 30$ and can download all the porn there is on the internet. Why do some companies still stick to the old fashioned way of providing internet?
OH my GOD !
I used to post here under another long forgotten name but after reading this article, I was forced to sign up again to tell Mr Jobs *thanks for the good times but now give us blue ray*
Maybe He should come to Japan - Ive been living here for over 10 years and I can say over the last 2 years, blue ray has grown and grown. Where are the movies for itunes in Japan ???? huh ? we have one of the fastest download speeds on the planet but still no movies on itunes.
People saying blue ray is not good are just !!! At home, there is nothing better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for on the go, I can understand why Apple dont put drives in the books - you need a screen over 32 inches to really see the HD.
But here, most of the computers now have blue ray drives eg: Sony...
Is Steve really thinking about markets outside of the US in this situation ?
OH and we have unlimited downloads too - no caps
I used to post here under another long forgotten name but after reading this article, I was forced to sign up again to tell Mr Jobs *thanks for the good times but now give us blue ray*
Maybe He should come to Japan - Ive been living here for over 10 years and I can say over the last 2 years, blue ray has grown and grown. Where are the movies for itunes in Japan ???? huh ? we have one of the fastest download speeds on the planet but still no movies on itunes.
People saying blue ray is not good are just
!!! At home, there is nothing better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for on the go, I can understand why Apple dont put drives in the books - you need a screen over 32 inches to really see the HD.But here, most of the computers now have blue ray drives eg: Sony...
Is Steve really thinking about markets outside of the US in this situation ?
OH and we have unlimited downloads too - no caps
Interesting. I respect that and accept it (chosing iTunes HD over Blu-ray).
I am a film-maker and I think Blu-ray is great, I just feel like I am in limbo because the industry always fights over formats! I just finished ripping all my DVDs onto my Apple TV and it is great. Then Apple came out with iTunes Extras which I have been waiting for for years. I just feel like if I invest in Blu-ray and those discs I am just going to have to do the ripping thing ALL OVER AGAIN and I REALLY don't want to do that since I know it is all going to go digital soon anyway! Understand my lack of motivation?
Hollywood pisses me off because they are so stupid and stubborn. If they would just be smart, learn to innovate, and embrace technology instead of shunning and running, things would be so much smoother with huge potential! Hence I am very excited for this new Apple TV with the cloud and the whole iOS ecosystem! Let's take this big step now Steve! P.S. If it is not 1080p you blew it Steve!
Ditto!
I am frekn SICK of Steve's visions of the future >_<
Can we have some TODAY for a change please!?!?!?!
Today - PC users enjoy benefits of BlueRay for consuming as well as storing media while us Mac users suck arse and talk about future...
Today - Android users have access to full web via Flash player while iOS users suck arse and talk about future HTML5.
Today - PC users enjoy gaming on their computers while Mac users suck arse and talk about graphic driver problems and some OpenCL future...
etc... etc... etc...
Thinking too much about future will inevitably sacrifice "today" and this is exactly what we are getting from Steve... Sacrificed "today" at the premium price for some possible, who knows, blah blah future...
I agree totally. I don't understand this new Apple trend of nickel and dime-ing its customers, especially when they are selling a high-end product in the first place. Apple surely can afford to give you a full-sized keyboard when you buy a new mac. The iPod used to come with a dock and a case.
Jobs is wrong on this one
Steve Jobs may have many ideas of the direction that he wants Apple to take. But to make them work takes a whole company of programmers & the underpaid Chinese worker to produce at a low price for Apple & a good high price for Apple so that their profit margins can be extremely high.
I have a 47" 1080p display as one of the 5 displays hooked to my Intel Mac Pro. I am looking at a 65" model so that the 47" one can go into my bedroom. BluRay on the Mac would reduce by 1 or 2 the number of DVD players I'd have to purchase.
Reading what some others say Steve Jobs, the great "used car salesman" that he is wants to keep his profits extra high. This means that he doesn't want to pay the fees to add BluRay or lose any sales from the main money generator at Apple, the iTunes Store System.
I'm one of those that purchase a Mac in spite of Steve Jobs. Without his strict requirement that Macs must be small & pretty, cost little to produce & sell at a price that will keep giving the highest profit margin in computer history. That means we will only have a minimum of models. Apple basically has one model of the iPhone that is updated once a year. The same goes for the minor updates most of the time for the iPod models. The Macs are at almost a yearly update timing. This is rather slow until you see that the Intel Mac Pro comes in closer to 1.5 years. BluRay will never be on any Macs if Steve keeps getting his way.
Steve Jobs may have many ideas of the direction that he wants Apple to take. But to make them work takes a whole company of programmers & the underpaid Chinese worker to produce at a low price for Apple & a good high price for Apple so that their profit margins can be extremely high.
I have a 47" 1080p display as one of the 5 displays hooked to my Intel Mac Pro. I am looking at a 65" model so that the 47" one can go into my bedroom. BluRay on the Mac would reduce by 1 or 2 the number of DVD players I'd have to purchase.
Reading what some others say Steve Jobs, the great "used car salesman" that he is wants to keep his profits extra high. This means that he doesn't want to pay the fees to add BluRay or lose any sales from the main money generator at Apple, the iTunes Store System.
I'm one of those that purchase a Mac in spite of Steve Jobs. Without his strict requirement that Macs must be small & pretty, cost little to produce & sell at a price that will keep giving the highest profit margin in computer history. That means we will only have a minimum of models. Apple basically has one model of the iPhone that is updated once a year. The same goes for the minor updates most of the time for the iPod models. The Macs are at almost a yearly update timing. This is rather slow until you see that the Intel Mac Pro comes in closer to 1.5 years. BluRay will never be on any Macs if Steve keeps getting his way.
Gee, you think?
Really, no I mean really?
Here, on MacRumors?
Nooo....
Wont you please help us, I don't mean me of course, it's the others, you know....
shhhh ... them!
What would you do for a Klondike bar?
It funny, Apple touts their openness regrading access for the handicapped (e.g Voice Over), but then they pick a format that does not support CC and refuse to support one that does. This seems to be a recurring theme with Apple.
He'll give it to you but the catch is you won't be able to download it because it's in his um... Cloud.
Of course they can afford putting blu-ray drive in their products, the problem is they don't want to do that.
Steve is wrong. BluRay is here to stay and Apple is missing out. It makes me so mad that he won't support it based on personal beliefs... He is ripping off the Apple public... Grrr
At least give US the option to have it.
At least give US the option to have it.
I've said it many times myself and I own the format, but it's not downloadable content that will kill Blu-Ray (yet), it's the humble DVD.
The leap from VHS to DVD was (to the mainstream) a larger leap in both technology and quality. I remember being one of the earliest UK adopters of DVD back in the day while UK movie enthusiasts still used LaserDisc. My first player was an imported Region 1 Panasonic A110, and cost me £550 with two movies (Face/Off and Fifth Element). I even remember the first Region 1 copy of Stargate was a "Flipper" (had to flip to the other side of the disc midway through).
Blu-Ray is nice, but to the mainstream there is not the same jump from DVD to Blu-Ray as there was from VHS to DVD. Another reason for this is the media, I mean a movie on a CD size disc instead of a clumsy plastic tape that needed rewinding when finished.
Add that to ever growing Internet speeds, higher capacity storage devices, and successful downloadable content stores (like iTunes), then it's easy to see why Blu-Ray has not seen the same adoption rate as DVD.
And, with the likes of upscaling DVD players and cheaper prices on new releases, it's a tough war Blu-Ray is fighting and I do not see it winning.
Blu-Ray will NOT become THE mainstream movie format because the public are not killing off DVD with their purchasing decisions.
The leap from VHS to DVD was (to the mainstream) a larger leap in both technology and quality. I remember being one of the earliest UK adopters of DVD back in the day while UK movie enthusiasts still used LaserDisc. My first player was an imported Region 1 Panasonic A110, and cost me £550 with two movies (Face/Off and Fifth Element). I even remember the first Region 1 copy of Stargate was a "Flipper" (had to flip to the other side of the disc midway through).
Blu-Ray is nice, but to the mainstream there is not the same jump from DVD to Blu-Ray as there was from VHS to DVD. Another reason for this is the media, I mean a movie on a CD size disc instead of a clumsy plastic tape that needed rewinding when finished.
Add that to ever growing Internet speeds, higher capacity storage devices, and successful downloadable content stores (like iTunes), then it's easy to see why Blu-Ray has not seen the same adoption rate as DVD.
And, with the likes of upscaling DVD players and cheaper prices on new releases, it's a tough war Blu-Ray is fighting and I do not see it winning.
Blu-Ray will NOT become THE mainstream movie format because the public are not killing off DVD with their purchasing decisions.
Insulting Steve Jobs will not bring you a BluRayDrive. And he is right too.
BlueRay is born old, it is a crap optical drive and as any optical drive it is highly unreliable, very easy to broke (as dvd drives) and indeed a old, mechanical part which takes too much space in the computer.
The right choice are just 2:
Internet donwload or rent (rent a movie is cheap, usually you don't see the same movie more than 2 times save some exceptions)
SD card as new media. SDXC are fast and size limit are 2TB, already 64GB right now. Little, mobile and doesnt take space inside the computer. The new SDXC can go fast as 100MB/s if iget it correctly.
With Bluray you spend a lot of money for every support or movie. Having a HD movie on an HD, even an external drive is faster and more pratical.
BlueRay is born old, it is a crap optical drive and as any optical drive it is highly unreliable, very easy to broke (as dvd drives) and indeed a old, mechanical part which takes too much space in the computer.
The right choice are just 2:
Internet donwload or rent (rent a movie is cheap, usually you don't see the same movie more than 2 times save some exceptions)
SD card as new media. SDXC are fast and size limit are 2TB, already 64GB right now. Little, mobile and doesnt take space inside the computer. The new SDXC can go fast as 100MB/s if iget it correctly.
With Bluray you spend a lot of money for every support or movie. Having a HD movie on an HD, even an external drive is faster and more pratical.
At this point I don't want Steve to give me a bluray drive, or an effin' Bumper. I just want him to resign.
"I am frekn SICK of Steve's visions of the future >_<"
LOL Steve Jobs innovated more than you in your wildest dreams.
"Today - PC users enjoy benefits of BlueRay for consuming as well as storing media while us Mac users suck arse and talk about future.."
Most of PC don't have/use Bluray, they are expensive (i mean the media itself) and most of users download movei from internet both legally and not.
"Today - Android users have access to full web via Flash player while iOS users suck arse and talk about future HTML5."
As far i know it is not running flash in public os right now and as i've read it runs like crap and it is totaly useless. Also most of flash sites are "hover" based and even if you have flash on a touch device it is totally crap.
"Today - PC users enjoy gaming on their computers while Mac users suck arse and talk about graphic driver problems and some OpenCL future...
You are painting all black, gaming on Mac is fine, not perfect and it is a youg beast. OSX is super fast and Steam & Co are a big news. I work in a shop and 99% of users uses games from casual to hardcore and they do fine in OSX. yes you're right Nvidia and Ati divers sucks for now, but this is not entirely Apple fault you know.
Not yet (see below).
Yes. You can download the trial version, then buy it online without any physical media being involved.
Yes, if you are a paid member of the Mac developer program. It just isn't available to all Mac users yet.
I expect the main constraint is the bandwidth that would be required for supporting 8 GB downloads to a large proportion of Mac users. Apple is happy enough with most Mac users downloading software updates in the order of 500 MB to 1 GB, and iWork comes in smaller than that.
It will happen eventually, but the infrastructure needs to be there first.
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