Bandwidth would certainly do it for Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio. Both weigh in at dozens of GBs after everything is unpacked. And much of that is stock media files which can't be compressed a whole lot.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Bandwidth would certainly do it for Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio. Both weigh in at dozens of GBs after everything is unpacked. And much of that is stock media files which can't be compressed a whole lot.
The only reason I would like Blu-Ray is for backups. I hear you saying "Just buy an external drive!", yes, I already have one, but there are some things I don't ONLY want to keep on an expensive drive, which is always right next to my computer. I'd rather also keep copies of photos on disks hidden somewhere where it can't get lost. I also keep them on the hard drive, but 2 backups is the ideal way to go, and no I don't have enough money to have two 1TB drives. And now you're saying "1TB? Just delete the stuff you don't need!" Well 1TB is becoming a standard hard drive size today and I work with Photoshop a LOT, one average PSD file is around 100 MB. I have tons of them, but I don't want to keep everything on my laptop. So if I only keep it on the external hard drive, it's no longer a backup now is it? Therefore I need to backup my external drive too. Blu-Ray would be ideal for that!
I don't care about movies and stuff on Blu-Ray, and I really don't care about extra quality and the fact that it costs like 5 times the price of an already-expensive DVD. But it's a cheap way of backing up loads of data.
I don't care about movies and stuff on Blu-Ray, and I really don't care about extra quality and the fact that it costs like 5 times the price of an already-expensive DVD. But it's a cheap way of backing up loads of data.
while many may not have home theaters, blu-ray is the way to go unless you really don't care about quality. buying digital download versions is just a waste of money to me. I've never bought any music/videos from iTunes and I'm sure a majority of the US population haven't either, let alone stream their media. Not everyone wants their media with them 24/7 and/or in a digital form.
So anyway, back on topic, I'm wondering... I'm sure Steve Jobs has his own HT, what sort of media is he playing in there ?
So anyway, back on topic, I'm wondering... I'm sure Steve Jobs has his own HT, what sort of media is he playing in there ?
Don't mind me I'm just enjoying those $1 BluRay rentals. 
Apple needs to allow more configurations. Let people pay the extra coin it takes to put a BluRay drive in those iMacs and Macbook Pros.
Apple needs to allow more configurations. Let people pay the extra coin it takes to put a BluRay drive in those iMacs and Macbook Pros.Except for the most important: Picture and sound quality.
I doubt you ever came near a decent large screen full HD presentation...
buy a blu ray player, for gods sake. they are just 100 bucks nowadays!
why do people buy big monster full hd tvs and then watch movies on their small screen macbooks??
you see, i am a physical media fan myself. i love my big tv, i love my collection of blu rays and dvds, i love my collection of cds and vinyl records. love having them sitting on the shelf and enjoying the art of the covers. and i do also share my music and my movies with my friends. cant do that with a downloaded movie.
but i dont need blu ray on my mac. i watch movies on my big tv, and i store my data on external drives.
If they are not going to support blu-ray then maybe Apple should consider releasing movies into their original languages on their international iTunes stores. I'll never download a dubbed movie in any language, nothing more annoying or infuriating than a dubbed movie, yet iTunes does not give this option.
Total Fail on both accounts Apple
Total Fail on both accounts Apple
I finally got rid of my DVD/CD drive because of Apple for this I hit Positive.
Besides, Television is the opiate of the masses
Besides, Television is the opiate of the masses
I finally got rid of my DVD/CD drive because of Apple for this I hit Positive.
Besides, Television is the opiate of the masses
But you follow the masses of Apple?
"we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."
pahhh!
ok granted I have seen 720p broadcasted footage (a movie and a world cup match)
if internet speeds can be guaranteed to be at least that of 720p satellite broadcasted content - then maybe, just maybe I will concur about Steve's ideas.
At this stage I can't watch so-called HD content - I need to switch it to the lowest quality and still have to wait for the 'stream' to buffer.
Besides, when it comes to HD movies - at the best possible quality - would you watch a film that streamed 50GBs to you?
And come on 720p and 1080p is short sited. In a few years there will be 4k and 8k offering - what will Steve say then? Umm, watch your 100-200gb movie via streaming? or compress it all to hell and try convince everyone it rocks?
pahhh!
ok granted I have seen 720p broadcasted footage (a movie and a world cup match)
if internet speeds can be guaranteed to be at least that of 720p satellite broadcasted content - then maybe, just maybe I will concur about Steve's ideas.
At this stage I can't watch so-called HD content - I need to switch it to the lowest quality and still have to wait for the 'stream' to buffer.
Besides, when it comes to HD movies - at the best possible quality - would you watch a film that streamed 50GBs to you?
And come on 720p and 1080p is short sited. In a few years there will be 4k and 8k offering - what will Steve say then? Umm, watch your 100-200gb movie via streaming? or compress it all to hell and try convince everyone it rocks?
* Music is all streaming already, the quality is acceptable and Spotify and such will probably make iTunes go that path too. Streaming music on Spotify and such is great and killed the last remnants of CD:s and are hurting iTunes for a reason!
But that concept does not translate 100% to movies.
Sure, movies will work on the "iTunes level" on iPads and such, sure but iTunes movies suck when you put them on a big screen and movies are much more enjoyable if played on a big screen with really good sound and picture quality. That is _everything_ for me with movies, for people like me at least so streaming movies will not kill BR in the near future for that reason IMHO.
* Music is something you can listen to while you are doing other things.
* Movies need your full attention and picture and audio quality adds in a BIG way to the experience.
Yes, I really only want to watch movies on a big screens.
Watching movies on my iphone or ipad does not interest me at all.
No comparison between BR and iTunes movies in that scenario. None.
For Apple to disregard BR makes sense but that says nothing about the quality and potential of BR. Different beasts alltogether
Apples and pears, horses for courses.
My point is that I am a BR fan as well as an Apple fan and really don't care if BR gets added to my Macs.
peace
But that concept does not translate 100% to movies.
Sure, movies will work on the "iTunes level" on iPads and such, sure but iTunes movies suck when you put them on a big screen and movies are much more enjoyable if played on a big screen with really good sound and picture quality. That is _everything_ for me with movies, for people like me at least so streaming movies will not kill BR in the near future for that reason IMHO.
* Music is something you can listen to while you are doing other things.
* Movies need your full attention and picture and audio quality adds in a BIG way to the experience.
Yes, I really only want to watch movies on a big screens.
Watching movies on my iphone or ipad does not interest me at all.
No comparison between BR and iTunes movies in that scenario. None.
For Apple to disregard BR makes sense but that says nothing about the quality and potential of BR. Different beasts alltogether
Apples and pears, horses for courses.
My point is that I am a BR fan as well as an Apple fan and really don't care if BR gets added to my Macs.
peace
Jim Cameron is still trying to convince people that wearing silly glasses to watch movies magically makes them better. Like Jobs he is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
I finally got rid of my DVD/CD drive because of Apple for this I hit Positive.
Besides, Television is the opiate of the masses
damn right I love my TV. who the hell wants to watch sports on a freakin ipad screen
that's what the MBA is for. the problem there is the insides are a little too slow and it's a little too expensive...
I'd say maybe you didn't look past the name, but you didn't even get that right.
Exactly, there is no big deal about Blu-Ray. It's an evolutionary step, for example:
ADB -> USB
USB -> USB2
FireWire 400 -> FireWire 800
10Mbps Ethernet -> 100Mbps Ethernet
100Mbps Ethernet -> 1Gbps Ethernet
Floppy -> CD
CD -> DVD
DVD -> Blu-Ray
Jobs is making it a big deal. Not having an internal bluray drive will not make people buy everything from iTunes.
The reason we are pissed off is because it's just another kick in the balls for the Macintosh. It is undeniable that the Mac is now the hobby and the portable devices are the main stars.
Here's where I admit to piracy, and get the hounds set upon me.
I like to have copies of the movies I watch - even if they're awful. If I see a film somewhere, I will download a copy as a personal record of doing so, even if I nerver intend to watch it again. The idea of buying a disk that in 10 years' time I will have to go out of my way to pull out an old player and hook it up to my TV, hoping the I haven't damaged either in some way, is absurd; as is the idea that I should have to go out of my way to make a backup of the disk; as is paying for something I've already seen and will never watch again. It's a personal quirk, I suppose, and streaming doesn't cut it.
If I like a film, however, I will support it.
I don't miss BR - or even DVD - in my daily life, and for backing up, give me a hard disk.
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Oh, Mr Jobs, you know me too well.
I like to have copies of the movies I watch - even if they're awful. If I see a film somewhere, I will download a copy as a personal record of doing so, even if I nerver intend to watch it again. The idea of buying a disk that in 10 years' time I will have to go out of my way to pull out an old player and hook it up to my TV, hoping the I haven't damaged either in some way, is absurd; as is the idea that I should have to go out of my way to make a backup of the disk; as is paying for something I've already seen and will never watch again. It's a personal quirk, I suppose, and streaming doesn't cut it.
If I like a film, however, I will support it.
I don't miss BR - or even DVD - in my daily life, and for backing up, give me a hard disk.
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Oh, Mr Jobs, you know me too well.
The future? Maybe.
But the present situation here (Germany) has bluerays easily available everywhere while there is very few HD contend available for download, even tough broadband coverage is quite good.
Apple promises a lot, but far too often they fail to deliver, at least outside of the US.
But I don't think portable devices will be the future of watching movies. An iPad like device may be nice for casual watching or watching on the go, but it is not comparable 42'' TV (or even a projector) with a decent sound system...
Christian
What's important to realize is that Apple has always been reasonable and smart about how much technology they should invest into every product they roll out. Besides the fact that they have killer advertising and is considered very popular, they have been successful because of this.
Take the simple iPod for example. When other competitors chose to have more features and more memory on their mp3 players, the iPods remained and didn't even attempt to compete with these features. I'm guessing the ideology behind that was that there simply wasn't a need for those features. Apple knows their customers well.
When it comes to Blu-ray, it's not clear that it is the popular choice, or even what customers want. Sure, Blu-ray has expanded drastically over the last couple of years, but it doesn't seem the DVD era is ending anytime soon. Also, like Jobs said, downloadable media is more popular than ever. It seems like people want ease of access rather than face-melting resolutions. Which is definitely an unsuspected turn for the trend in technology. But I guess that's what Apple has been all about.
Take the simple iPod for example. When other competitors chose to have more features and more memory on their mp3 players, the iPods remained and didn't even attempt to compete with these features. I'm guessing the ideology behind that was that there simply wasn't a need for those features. Apple knows their customers well.
When it comes to Blu-ray, it's not clear that it is the popular choice, or even what customers want. Sure, Blu-ray has expanded drastically over the last couple of years, but it doesn't seem the DVD era is ending anytime soon. Also, like Jobs said, downloadable media is more popular than ever. It seems like people want ease of access rather than face-melting resolutions. Which is definitely an unsuspected turn for the trend in technology. But I guess that's what Apple has been all about.
This time he is wrong
He is on the wrong path on this one. Streaming the brilliant quality that Blu-Ray can deliver is still way-off. At least 2-3 years for the majority of people have a fast enough internet connection that can stream full 1080p HD without stuttering, hick-ups or anything else. That kind of broadband is still very expensive. You'll need at least a 80-120 Mb connection to enjoy the quality that Blu-Ray can deliver. If you want perfect sound too, which Blu-Ray delivers seamlessly, the data streams increase even more.
It's pretty simple as it always is with Apple. They need to keep selling inferior quality via iTunes so Blu-Ray hurts their iTunes business. That is the only and real reason why macs still don't have Blu-Ray support.
Oh and 3D-Blu-Ray seems to take off rather quickly, even faster then I expected. It will gobble up even more data (if you want really clear quality). There is no way that you can stream this kind of data except for the tiny part of people that have extraordinary broadband quality.
He is on the wrong path on this one. Streaming the brilliant quality that Blu-Ray can deliver is still way-off. At least 2-3 years for the majority of people have a fast enough internet connection that can stream full 1080p HD without stuttering, hick-ups or anything else. That kind of broadband is still very expensive. You'll need at least a 80-120 Mb connection to enjoy the quality that Blu-Ray can deliver. If you want perfect sound too, which Blu-Ray delivers seamlessly, the data streams increase even more.
It's pretty simple as it always is with Apple. They need to keep selling inferior quality via iTunes so Blu-Ray hurts their iTunes business. That is the only and real reason why macs still don't have Blu-Ray support.
Oh and 3D-Blu-Ray seems to take off rather quickly, even faster then I expected. It will gobble up even more data (if you want really clear quality). There is no way that you can stream this kind of data except for the tiny part of people that have extraordinary broadband quality.
Steve Jobs is right blu-ray is a whole bag of hurt...
...it's a bag of hurt for the consumer because Steve Jobs won't let us have it.
I have been saving up for ages to buy a new imac and was really hoping that Apple would see sense and build blu-ray into macs, but it seems they won't even provide the option to have it as an optional upgrade! This is SO annoying.
Since Mr Jobs seems to be struggling with how to provide the choice that it seems many consumers want, here's my solutions...
1. Give people the option to upgrade the DVD player to a blu-ray one and let the amount of people that upgrade be the proof of what's wanted. If downloading content is really what people want then it won't hurt the profit from itunes and no one will upgrade their machines to have a blu-ray player and Steve Jobs can turn around and say 'I told you so'.
2. Provide a HDMI input so people can buy a stand-alone player and simply use their imac as a TV – all control and playback etc would be handled by the normal player, little need for new code etc.
3. Provide software support so that people can buy their own Blu-Ray unit if they wish and swap it for the DVD player that the Mac comes with.
Anyway, as much as it pains me to say, I'm considering taking my £1600 to buy a computer from a company that will actually give me what a want. It's sad, but maybe this is goodbye to Apple. It seems they are spending most of their resources on developing the iphone, ipod & Ipad anyway... I wouldn't be too surprised if they dropped the Mac computer in the next 5-10 years and concentrated on mobile devices. That'll be a sad day... but I'll probably be sitting in front of my PC (how can I think like this) watching my nice Blu-ray film anyway!
...it's a bag of hurt for the consumer because Steve Jobs won't let us have it.
I have been saving up for ages to buy a new imac and was really hoping that Apple would see sense and build blu-ray into macs, but it seems they won't even provide the option to have it as an optional upgrade! This is SO annoying.
Since Mr Jobs seems to be struggling with how to provide the choice that it seems many consumers want, here's my solutions...
1. Give people the option to upgrade the DVD player to a blu-ray one and let the amount of people that upgrade be the proof of what's wanted. If downloading content is really what people want then it won't hurt the profit from itunes and no one will upgrade their machines to have a blu-ray player and Steve Jobs can turn around and say 'I told you so'.
2. Provide a HDMI input so people can buy a stand-alone player and simply use their imac as a TV – all control and playback etc would be handled by the normal player, little need for new code etc.
3. Provide software support so that people can buy their own Blu-Ray unit if they wish and swap it for the DVD player that the Mac comes with.
Anyway, as much as it pains me to say, I'm considering taking my £1600 to buy a computer from a company that will actually give me what a want. It's sad, but maybe this is goodbye to Apple. It seems they are spending most of their resources on developing the iphone, ipod & Ipad anyway... I wouldn't be too surprised if they dropped the Mac computer in the next 5-10 years and concentrated on mobile devices. That'll be a sad day... but I'll probably be sitting in front of my PC (how can I think like this) watching my nice Blu-ray film anyway!
This might be true for a tv-show or a simple home-video. When people experience Blu-Ray first had they are blown away by the quality. Once you have experienced full HD for a good time you don't want to go back. HD broadcasting is sky rocketing. But Apple lags behind. Not because they don't want to be in that game, but because they can't. They cannot deliver that quality via iTunes yet. But they can in 2 till 3 years max. So they just ignore Blu-Ray that hurts their iTunes business, let people believe that quality in iTunes is just fine and you don't need Blu-Ray. When they start selling/renting movies in Blu-Ray quality in about 3 years they will let people believe its something totally amazing and revolutionary.
At that point, smart people are already enjoying full HD 3D movies on Blu-Ray discs and Steve will make us believe that 3D is a bag of hurt that no one is interested in.
I wouldn't mind too much, but given that HD movies on the UK iTunes store are ONLY seemingly available for iPads and Apple TVs (and believe me - I've had a long and protracted conversation with iTunes support over this issue), Mr. Jobs has now got to be seen to put his money where his mouth is and make HD availability of movies (rented or otherwise) across the board.
Right now, I'm sticking with Blu-Ray as I can't afford to splash out £500 a pop whenever Steve Jobs sneezes a new product into existence. No iPad or Apple TV for me (and I don't have a TV either - I watch everything either at the cinema or on a 17" TFT display on the laptop) unless I win one, or win enough money to buy one.
Mart
Right now, I'm sticking with Blu-Ray as I can't afford to splash out £500 a pop whenever Steve Jobs sneezes a new product into existence. No iPad or Apple TV for me (and I don't have a TV either - I watch everything either at the cinema or on a 17" TFT display on the laptop) unless I win one, or win enough money to buy one.
Mart
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