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You can get external Bluray players and burners. I really don't see the big deal here.

Just go get one and stop gripping.
You mean you don't think its a big deal that a user should buy an expensive laptop for its thinness and form factor, then have to pay extra for the external drive, and then have to pay extra for windows just to play blu-ray?

Are you serious? Are you going to bring an external optical drive outside? its so inconvenience and it totally defeats the purpose of buying a portable device.
 
You mean you don't think its a big deal that a user should buy an expensive laptop for its thinness and form factor, then have to pay extra for the external drive, and then have to pay extra for windows just to play blu-ray?

Are you serious? Are you going to bring an external optical drive outside? its so inconvenience and it totally defeats the purpose of buying a portable device.

Give it other 3 to 5 years and most PC's and Mac computers will have blu ray.
 
Hmmmm, let's see. My first gig in IT was at a Fortune 100 Microsoft shop where I was a Microsoft trained applications developer. That combined with my use of Windows since 3.1, you're right, I never knew how to use Windows. Its hard to use something that never worked. :rolleyes:

I've pretty much been ignoring your anti-windows sentiments as hyperbole, but really, I have to question your sanity and/or technical proficiency. Windows has definitely had its ups and downs, but some versions were pretty darned good and stable -- Windows 2000 and XP were both pretty good, when all is said and done.

If I ever did decide to use my Mac Mini Server in my theater room I would not be using the optical drive because it doesn't have one. And can you guess why it lacks an optical drive? Could it be that maybe optical drives are old technology? DOH!

Well, certainly the optical drives Apple offers are old technology. What are they thinking not offering the latest technology, Blu-Ray? <Annoyed Grunt>

You can get external Bluray players and burners. I really don't see the big deal here..

OSX won't play the movies, that's the big deal here. You need more than just the drive.
 
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I've pretty much been ignoring your anti-windows sentiments as hyperbole, but really, I have to question your sanity and/or technical proficiency. Windows has definitely had its ups and downs, but some versions were pretty darned good and stable -- Windows 2000 and XP were both pretty good, when all is said and done.
I think a lot of people confuse the 'work they do using various apps' with 'Windows'. Yes, Windows has had many more apps, and therefore could do many more things for people over the years. No, Windows has not been "pretty good". Win2K was the first version that was even slightly tolerable, XP was a step backward with silly bloat, and Vista another step backward. 7 is ok.

Meanwhile, MacOS started being really excellent with version 6.0.8 or so. Other than a step backward at 7.5, bloat in 8.x, and growing pains after switching to unix with OSX, it has been so far and away above any Win version as to be in a different genre. MacOS allows you to work, Win does give you access to more apps, but otherwise is just in your way.
 
All I will say is that bandwidth limitations are holding back true streaming/digital downloads.

I love my Apple TV, and its great on my 32" HDTV in my bedroom, but the home theater, 720p isn't good enough. Could Apple match a blu-ray in AV quality? Yes they could, but it comes down to bandwidth. Till we know when/where/if it improves, I'll stick with blu-ray.

Yes I also have a blu-ray player for the 32" and yes they look better and sound better. Apple doesn't support blu-ray because it hurts iTunes, and thus the magical Apple synergism.

Oh and side note: a lot of WB discs jump right to the movie.

Side side note: I love my PS3, but if I could get a Mac Mini with blu-ray, it would bought in a panic heart beat.
 
All I will say is that bandwidth limitations are holding back true streaming/digital downloads.

Don't forget lame ISP caps.

Right now nothing can really beat blu-ray's picture and sound quality because nothing else (practical) can deliver the bandwidth.

I don't see why some complain about blu-ray. I think it's great (well..except for the constant DRM changes that requires firmware updates, but that can just as easily happen with streaming and downloaded files).

Remember Microsoft's "Plays for Sure" DRM? MS abandoned it when the Zune was released and everyone who bought "plays for sure" were left hanging when it didn't play for sure. That can happen with any DRM-enabled content.
 
No, Windows has not been "pretty good". Win2K was the first version that was even slightly tolerable, XP was a step backward with silly bloat, and Vista another step backward. 7 is ok.

I agree. Windows 2000 Professional was my favorite version. I threw in the towel at Vista and went to Linux.

Meanwhile, MacOS started being really excellent with version 6.0.8 or so. Other than a step backward at 7.5, bloat in 8.x, and growing pains after switching to unix with OSX, it has been so far and away above any Win version as to be in a different genre. MacOS allows you to work, Win does give you access to more apps, but otherwise is just in your way.

I switched to Mac at Snow Leopard so I am unfamiliar with the trials and tribulations of the pre Snow Leopard days. Having worked on Linux systems after my Windows days I went to Mac due to the stability of a *NIX system but with a more polished look and feel. I mainly use my Macs to front end to my Linux servers. Its funny that people here make fun of my C2D Macs but how much processing power do I really need to SSH or VNC into my Linux boxes? LOL. Linux is still my preferred choice of server although I am running a production web server and email server with a SL server VM.

MacOS allows you to work, Win does give you access to more apps, but otherwise is just in your way.

That's why I could care less about watching a BD on my Mac. For me, the Mac is the ultimate work machine.
 
Anyway, I think you can rip on OSX now with Handbrake, but my preferred ripping method is to make an ISO with AnyDVD on Windows.
Thank you everybody for your answers.
Still, back to my question; can anybody who have external bd-drive connected to their mac, confirm that you can rip bd-movies with MakeMKV in OsX?

Well, certainly the optical drives Apple offers are old technology. What are they thinking not offering the latest technology, Blu-Ray?
Can someone explain me the logics behind the statement: "Blu-ray is old tech and that's why Apple is offering dvd-drives in their macs."?
 
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I like how Apple supports thunderbolt, which has had its fair share of hurts* and isn't widely supported, but even a blu-ray option isn't there?

Hey Apple, want me to abandon PCs forever? How about putting a blu-ray drive option on your machines? I mean even the Mac Pros, which I assume AV professionals use, can't have something to back up their HD video?

What if blu-ray teamed with iTunes and made it the sole provider of digital copies? A lot of my digital copies of movies came with a blu-ray. It actually was a great way to bypass the bandwidth and cap limitations of ISPs, and I had it instantly.


*what if I put it in a bag?
 
I like how Apple supports thunderbolt, which has had its fair share of hurts* and isn't widely supported, but even a blu-ray option isn't there?

Hey Apple, want me to abandon PCs forever? How about putting a blu-ray drive option on your machines? I mean even the Mac Pros, which I assume AV professionals use, can't have something to back up their HD video?

What if blu-ray teamed with iTunes and made it the sole provider of digital copies? A lot of my digital copies of movies came with a blu-ray. It actually was a great way to bypass the bandwidth and cap limitations of ISPs, and I had it instantly.


*what if I put it in a bag?


I feel you pain so do I have that pain.I want blu ray ASAP but that is not going to happen for some time.

Go to most stores that have PC and look for blu ray and you see why apple does not have blu ray.

If most PC's are not going have it so nuch more for mac computer to have it.To bad the licence fee is so high.
 
Thank you everybody for your answers.
Still, back to my question; can anybody who have external bd-drive connected to their mac, confirm that you can rip bd-movies with MakeMKV in OsX?

Yes, you can.
But you may encounter problems with some movies.
Other than that, if you're not looking to bitstream HD Audio (TrueHD/DTS-HD), it gets his work done.
 
Yes, you can.
But you may encounter problems with some movies.
Other than that, if you're not looking to bitstream HD Audio (TrueHD/DTS-HD), it gets his work done.

No Mac and Linux do not have a licence right to play blu ray but there are illegal download that will play it on Mac and Linux.

Just do not tell apple doing this as it is illegal . In lot of ways blu ray is dead to to fact most DVD players can upconvert to near DH so other than movies blu ray is dead.

For storage hard-drive and memory cards /USB sticks can hold way more than blu ray so when comes to storage blu ray is like driving a old pick up truck.
 
Oh really?

In lot of ways blu ray is dead to to fact most DVD players can upconvert to near DH so other than movies blu ray is dead.

Have you actually compared a 300kPixel DVD image upconverted to a 2 mPixel BD image?

If upconversion were so magical, why didn't we stop at 640x480 VGA cameras?
 
No Mac and Linux do not have a licence right to play blu ray but there are illegal download that will play it on Mac and Linux.

Just do not tell apple doing this as it is illegal . In lot of ways blu ray is dead to to fact most DVD players can upconvert to near DH so other than movies blu ray is dead.

For storage hard-drive and memory cards /USB sticks can hold way more than blu ray so when comes to storage blu ray is like driving a old pick up truck.

At the moment, Blu-Ray is the only physical format capable of delivering crystal-clear picture.
I've seen lots of HDTV torrents and stuff and, even though they are decent enough, they just don't match the same quality that Blu-Ray delivers.
And, no. Unless studios find a way to make memory cards/USB sticks DRM-locked, they will never rely on them to deliver the ultimate movie experience.
 
Have you actually compared a 300kPixel DVD image upconverted to a 2 mPixel BD image?

If upconversion were so magical, why didn't we stop at 640x480 VGA cameras?

I have some DVD at home and I put in my DVD player and it upconverts it to near HD .

Sure it not blu ray but most people are happy and do not want to spend the $$$ on blu ray player.

And not to say 95% of the stuff on TV is not in HD and what is in HD is near HD not 1080p.So the TV has a long ways to go.

And TV shows and box sets in blu ray very very very very very very little in blu ray almost none. So sad when I go to store looking for blu ray box set or TV show:(

So in way it is going to be long time for blu ray to take off and that not say in 5 years from now some thing better than blu ray comes out.

Has now blu ray holds the market for movies not TV shows yet.


And, no. Unless studios find a way to make memory cards/USB sticks DRM-locked, they will never rely on them to deliver the ultimate movie experience.

Has of now memory cards are too expansive if in next 5 or 8 years the price comes down or the technology of solid state inproves to drive the price down may be , to than CD/DVD,blu ray and hard-drive for back ups will be used.
 
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I think a lot of people confuse the 'work they do using various apps' with 'Windows'. Yes, Windows has had many more apps, and therefore could do many more things for people over the years. No, Windows has not been "pretty good". Win2K was the first version that was even slightly tolerable, XP was a step backward with silly bloat, and Vista another step backward. 7 is ok.

I was in the Windows camp for a long time -- long enough that I briefly used Windows 2 and it got serious with Windows 3.0. I also spent a lot of time with OS/2 starting in the 1.2 days and I worked at IBM during the IBM-Microsoft split and then when OS/2 2.0 came out. Windows has been pretty good at times -- as I said, 2k and XP have been pretty darned stable and reliable. I know of plenty of production environments still using Win2k.

Go to most stores that have PC and look for blu ray and you see why apple does not have blu ray.

If most PC's are not going have it so nuch more for mac computer to have it.

Do you realize the irony of that statement?

The whole point of Apple computers used to be that they pioneered things PCs didn't have -- such as firewire. Or ThunderPeakBoltLight. I don't see many PCs in the stores with LightThunder.

In lot of ways blu ray is dead to to fact most DVD players can upconvert to near DH so other than movies blu ray is dead.

It isn't even close. While I'm amazed with the results of upscaling 720x480 content, it is not in the same league as a native 1080p image. Not even close.
 
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The point of that little diddy is not the special content; it's the forced previews for forgettable garbage that will be forgotten in 6 weeks and isn't remotely related to the feature film, MPAA anti-piracy propoganda, etc.
I don't mind documentaries, I enjoy them. What I hate are forced previews and morality lectures when I pop a disc in. Especially when you're watching an important high profile movie and you're bombarded with forced previews for the latest disposable garbage the studio is pushing at the moment, which will be completely forgotten in six weeks.

I've never bought a Blu-ray disc I couldn't fast forward through the previews. And the piracy messages are short; I study them because I actually copied the red, yellow, and blue one to put on my Blu-ray discs.

Some people I know actually like previews. It makes it more like a theater experience, and they go make the popcorn and pour the drinks while they run.

Give it other 3 to 5 years and most PC's and Mac computers will have blu ray.

Eight years behind the curve is absolutely unacceptable; sorry.

Give it another 3-5 years and most Macs and PCs won't come with any optical drives standard at all.

Ten years ahead of the curve is even MORE unacceptable.

Far more likely given Jobs' and Apple's new roles as low quality content peddlers for blind deaf idiots.

:apple:
 
Guys- I have to amend my previous statements about BR. I think Steve is right. It's dead out of the gate. Netflix streaming and ATV are popular with a lot of my tech savvy friends. None of them are buying BRs. They love streaming. I have to say, the convenience of streaming and ATV outweigh the quality of BR. It's just not going to happen for BR, no matter how much we might like it to.

For us geeks, that's hard to hear, but I think it's reality. Physical media is well on it's way out. It's not dead, it's simply not convenient anymore. It's like vinyl records.
 
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Guys- I have to amend my previous statements about BR. I think Steve is right. It's dead out of the gate. Netflix streaming and ATV are popular with a lot of my tech savvy friends. None of them are buying BRs. They love streaming. I have to say, the convenience of streaming and ATV outweigh the quality of BR. It's just not going to happen for BR, no matter how much we might like it to.

For us geeks, that's hard to hear, but I think it's reality. Physical media is well on it's way out. It's not dead, it's simply not convenient anymore. It's like vinyl records.

Streaming can only be convenient if you have the internet connection for it, which many people don't. It doesn't matter what your tech savvy friends are doing, it matters what the general public is doing, and when it comes to HD content they are buying Blu-ray discs more than they are buying HD movie downloads. That is really the only stat that matters, and is unlikely to swing towards streaming /downloading for a number of years yet.

Also, I would argue that convenience over quality works more for rentals than for purchases. Netflix streaming etc is like having an all-you-can-eat buffet, where you know the food will be low-quality but you just fancy pigging out a bit regardless of how good the food is. But when you want some fine dining (to purchase a movie you really love) Blu-ray is still going to be the choice for many years to come.

Again, I think we all know that physical media is on its way out the door eventually - but Apple are living in the same cloud-cuckko-land (pun intended) as everyone else who thinks Blu-ray is already dead. It has many years of life left in it, and it's a farce that a mac bought today lacks BD movie support, when that machine will almost certainly be obsolete long before Blu-ray is.
 
Streaming can only be convenient if you have the internet connection for it, which many people don't. It doesn't matter what your tech savvy friends are doing, it matters what the general public is doing, and when it comes to HD content they are buying Blu-ray discs more than they are buying HD movie downloads. That is really the only stat that matters, and is unlikely to swing towards streaming /downloading for a number of years yet.

Also, I would argue that convenience over quality works more for rentals than for purchases. Netflix streaming etc is like having an all-you-can-eat buffet, where you know the food will be low-quality but you just fancy pigging out a bit regardless of how good the food is. But when you want some fine dining (to purchase a movie you really love) Blu-ray is still going to be the choice for many years to come.

Again, I think we all know that physical media is on its way out the door eventually - but Apple are living in the same cloud-cuckko-land (pun intended) as everyone else who thinks Blu-ray is already dead. It has many years of life left in it, and it's a farce that a mac bought today lacks BD movie support, when that machine will almost certainly be obsolete long before Blu-ray is.

Like I said, I go back and forth on this. And really, it would be nice to see BR support on Macs. But honestly, I see Steve's point. Rentals are really the big market anyway. Who buys the latest Sandra Bullock piece of crap? Not that many people. And if they do, they don't feel the need to get it on BR. They'll get the DVD at Walmart. I got Iron Man 2 on BR and went, WTF? Not really necessary.

Not that many people are dedicated videophiles. Let's face it, an HDMI uploaded DVD is not that much worse than a BR. Most people will not notice the difference, and would rather save the cash. I know I'm that way. It's not that much better that I feel I need a BR version of any film.
 
It's a shame, as much as I love my Macbook Pro I envy the Bluray drive+HDMI out port on my Dads Sony Vaio.

Not necessary sure, but it's definitely nice to have when you are away from your usual home cinema setup.
 
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