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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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azurehi said:
AT&T’s New Bandwidth Cap Is Bad News for Netflix

http://gigaom.com/video/att-bandwidth-cap-netflix/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newteevee+%28GigaOM%3A+Video%29
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On the other hand, AT&T's surcharge seems to be reasonable (at least compared to wireless surcharges) - only $10 extra per 50 GB of overuse.

That would be only about a dollar per 720p highly compressed movie. ($10 per BD quality movie, of course.)

Note that you should expect these charges to be per GB, not per GiB.
 
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$10/50GB overuse? That's very reasonable. I remember when we were last on a plan with excess charges. 22c/MB I think = $220/GB. Granted, that was years ago, it's more like a few $ per GB now.

Nowadays, most ISPs in Aus just cap when you hit your limit, in my case the speed drops to 128/128 kbps.
 
azurehi said:
AT&T’s New Bandwidth Cap Is Bad News for Netflix

http://gigaom.com/video/att-bandwidth-cap-netflix/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newteevee+%28GigaOM%3A+Video%29
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Comcast has had a 250GB cap for ages.
If you were going to use all your 150 GB of AT&T bandwidth to watch HD video from Netflix, you’d only be able to watch about three hours per day — and that’s without doing anything else.
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Uh, GO OUTSIDE!! People really need to get additional hobbies.

I have approached that total, though. I did a lot of downloading one month. I need to research Qwest on this topic since they are my current provider.
 
-hh said:
The all time best films, based upon attendence, not Box Office gross...

Sources do vary; first citation's listing:

1 Gone with the Wind 1939
2 Star Wars Fox 1977
3 The Sound of Music 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial 1982
5 The Ten Commandments 1956
6 Titanic 1997
7 Jaws 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago 1965
9 The Exorcist 1973
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937

and a second citation's listing:

1 Gone with the Wind
2 Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs
3 Star Wars
4 E.T.
5 101 Dalmatians (1961); was #11 on the above list
6 Bambi (1947); was #42 on the above list
7 Titanic
8 Jaws
9 The Sound of Music
10 The Ten Commandments
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Thanks for the lists - you keep hearing about box office gross - which is bogus seeing that a lot of theaters are now over $10 per ticket... :eek:

I think the 1st list may be a bit more accurate from other sites I've seen...

Anyone seen the latest prices on BR drives?

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0348952

OMG.... :D
 
wonderspark said:
Yep, it's starting. It's like a chess game. The piece revealed by the sacrificed piece is the one that kills you.
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Love it.

Regardless of what happens to speed caps, btw, my physical media (BDs) will serve me well. Not to mention I can get HD DVDs for like $0.10 legally online haha (which are much better quality than streaming, but clearly a very limited selection).

If we don't get bandwidth caps and do get DTS HD MA then I'll stream a lot more.
 
I wonder what Steve Jobs is thinking now that almost all major ISP's here in the states now have bandwidth caps. I wonder if hes going to continue to push multimedia as downloadable content only or finally add Bluray drives built-in and/or offer and support external ones.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Ah, my mistake. They are on newegg for $50.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...+drive&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
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And that isn't a BD burner either.

I've done another search and the cheapest is US$89 but the price is completely useless as NewEgg refuse to ship internationally - once again an American business refuse to 'deal' with the rest of the unknown world. Have American businesses heard of this wonderful thing called 'International Parcel Post' - you know, when you put stuff in a box and send it overseas for a set amount of money? I know in our backward part of the world we have had that wonderful service since, well, since the government first setup the post office :eek:
 
Not only are the bandwidth caps are concerns, will providers have the means of streaming 1080p with full audio?

I imagine it will require a great deal of machines to encode for users that much data. A rip of just a movie from a Blu-Ray is at least 5GB. For those users on lower speeds, what will that mean for them?

I agree that digital downloads are the future, but that shouldn't mean get rid of physical medias. What about collectors? movie rental stores? red boxes?

Also for those of you with stationary machines, can't you hook up an external Blu-Ray drive and then use KLite Codec Pack?
 
gkarris said:
Thanks for the lists - you keep hearing about box office gross - which is bogus seeing that a lot of theaters are now over $10 per ticket... :eek:

I think the 1st list may be a bit more accurate from other sites I've seen...
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Actually, I think that the difference is that the one list is based upon Box Office receipts ($$) but then normalized to 'present value' by inflation values, whereas the other is (somehow) really based on actual ticket sales.

And insofar as ticket prices, I recall a news story from the past year that the main reason why 2010 Box Offices were what they were was because of a higher average ticket price due to so many films charging a price premium for 3D.


Anyone seen the latest prices on BR drives?
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Its not too horribly surprising to see BR readers become a commodity item, due to their proliferation on Windows PCs.

And insofar as BR burners, since one can now get a 2TB HDD for under $100, it is quite cost-competitive versus buying BR media.


-hh
 
-hh said:
Its not too horribly surprising to see BR readers become a commodity item, due to their proliferation on Windows PCs.
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Even BD burners are fairly cheap - Newegg has one BD-R/BD-RE burner under $90, and nine under $150.


-hh said:
And insofar as BR burners, since one can now get a 2TB HDD for under $100, it is quite cost-competitive versus buying BR media.
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For archiving, though, BD-R has one clear advantage over a fragile spinning hard drive:

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I use 2 TB drives in a RAID-5 array for daily backups, and optical for permanent archives.

(My definition of "backup" is something that I don't care if it is lost - it's just a second copy of the primary source. Obviously, I want it reliable enough that I don't worry about it not being there if the primary fails - with RAID I'll have to lose the primary and two backup drives to have a data loss.

An "archive" is something that I would care if it is lost.)
 
OT,
but since there's macupdate bundle being offered and I haven't ripped bd-movies with a mac,
can you rip bd-movies with MakeMKV within OsX or do you need Parallels and Windows?
 
toke lahti said:
OT,
but since there's macupdate bundle being offered and I haven't ripped bd-movies with a mac,
can you rip bd-movies with MakeMKV within OsX or do you need Parallels and Windows?
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I suggest you to pick up AnyDVD HD and use AnotherEAC3toGUI under VMWare/Parallels:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17002

That will create you a 1:1 MKV copy of the original movie, including lossless Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD decoded as FLAC (something that MakeMKV still doesn't do).

;)
 
AidenShaw said:
For archiving, though, BD-R has one clear advantage over a fragile spinning hard drive:

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And we can both probably recall the same promises being made by CD-R's roughly 20 years ago ... and also how that actually turned out.

Broadly speaking, there's a difference between a pressed disk and one that's been burned, namely that the latter relies on a chemistry change in a die that's invariably organic based. As such, we need to make sure that claims regarding the lifespan of the former aren't misapplied to the latter.

I've worked with "stabilized" organic compounds on and off for the past 25 years and as a simple rule of thumb, calling them stable over long periods is a sham: if it is organic, it is going to break down.

Stabilization of organic compounds is typically performed by relying upon additional chemistry, which generally introduces a buffer or stabilizer compound, which functionally interrupts and thus retards the organic breakdown. When this stabilizer is depleted (including the relevant daughter products of the reactions) the product is eventually no longer 'protected' and it will then degrade - unchecked - quite rapidly.


-hh
 
He didn't lie- it sure hasn't been anytime soon.
PeterQVenkman said:
I agree, core2duos are plenty powerful for posting to forums about blu-ray being dead and finding links about the death of optical media.

Just curious why you spend so much time on something you don't care about. No, scratch that. I'm not curious.
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Greatest Post EVER!
 
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Fud

-hh said:
Broadly speaking, there's a difference between a pressed disk and one that's been burned, namely that the latter relies on a chemistry change in a dye that's invariably organic based.
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Ooops, you probably should Bing for "bd-r inorganic dye" - you'll discover that most BD-R/BD-RE discs use inorganic dyes.

There are some recently released organic dye-based discs (search for "BD-R LTH"). They're cheaper, but generally to be avoided since many home BD and computer BD players can't play them without a firmware upgrade.

You now need to try some FUD that doesn't depend on organic chemistry.


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mpaul said:
I suggest you to pick up AnyDVD HD and use AnotherEAC3toGUI under VMWare/Parallels:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17002
That will create you a 1:1 MKV copy of the original movie, including lossless Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD decoded as FLAC (something that MakeMKV still doesn't do).;)
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For now, I think I don't need those new audio formats, since I don't have hardware to enjoy them. For that I need to spend couple of thousands to renew sound system and right now that's pretty far in purchase queue.
And I'm not convinced that these audio formats add much value with headphone or laptop use.

Also, I really hate how much I have to pay more for the software & hardware to playback bd-movie with a mac than with a windows machine.
And like I have said before, I don't like Windows and hate to pay "Apple tax" to the Microsoft. This thing seems to change, since Apple's way of limiting of usage of its products is starting to even these companies in my mind.

But back to my question: can you rip bd movie with MakeMKV in OsX, or do you need Windows for that?
 
-hh said:
And we can both probably recall the same promises being made by CD-R's roughly 20 years ago ... and also how that actually turned out.
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That's what's so good in bd, it's not 1st gen tech like ssd or some other newer tech. Disc rot has been long known phenomena, so there's knowledge how to avoid that. Dvd's were affected for layers becoming apart, so that can be also avoided by now.
 
toke lahti said:
For now, I think I don't need those new audio formats, since I don't have hardware to enjoy them. For that I need to spend couple of thousands to renew sound system and right now that's pretty far in purchase queue.
And I'm not convinced that these audio formats add much value with headphone or laptop use.

Also, I really hate how much I have to pay more for the software & hardware to playback bd-movie with a mac than with a windows machine.
And like I have said before, I don't like Windows and hate to pay "Apple tax" to the Microsoft. This thing seems to change, since Apple's way of limiting of usage of its products is starting to even these companies in my mind.

But back to my question: can you rip bd movie with MakeMKV in OsX, or do you need Windows for that?
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To your question, use Windows for a great experience that frees you from the EVIL Apple Tax.

It's not the Apple Tax I hate. It's paying it to the ever arrogant, narcissistic, condescending Steve Jobs, that I hate.

That said, my 24" widescreen full HD desktop Windows 7 BluRay setup is very enjoyable.

I don't use my MBP for movies as that has never appealed to me.

Cheers :)
 
ozred said:
It's not the Apple Tax I hate. It's paying it to the ever arrogant, narcissistic, condescending Steve Jobs, that I hate.
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Exactly what I would call someone that helps to give people the precious gift of time. :rolleyes:

California Passes Steve Jobs's Organ Donor Law
http://www.businessinsider.com/stev...california-passes-his-organ-donor-law-2010-10

ozred said:
I don't use my MBP for movies as that has never appealed to me.
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+1

Watching movies on any of my Macs including my iMac doesn't appeal to me. I prefer the theater experience of a true home theater with large screen and sound as opposed to sitting at a desk in an office chair in front of a tiny screen.
 
A Lot

ozred said:
It's not the Apple Tax I hate. It's paying it to the ever arrogant, narcissistic, condescending Steve Jobs, that I hate.
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You gotta admit, he's got a lot to be arrogant about.

Similarly, he can legitimately be condescending to about 99.9% of the people in the world, and 100.0% of the people on this forum.

Narcissistic? Now that's bad, I'll give you that.
 
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