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Same here. But I don't need a Mac to have a "high quality home theater." If Macs did have BD, I would never consider having one as my main BD player. "High quality home theater" also includes a large screen. Not a 15" VAIO propped up on a riser in the middle of your theater room - LOL!

For the 10 millionth time, HTPC. It's simply more versatile than a 10 foot high stack of individual components. I have an HTPC connected to my 65" THX Plasma, and all of my media is accessible over the network, including Blu-Ray ISOs. And I can do things only a PC can do, such as multichannel FLAC, torrents, streaming, Hulu, Netflix, all the network websites, ad infinitum, in addition to Blu-Ray playback features only an HTPC can offer.

And you still ignore those gorgeous 30" 2560x1600 Apple cinema displays.
 
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NAS (Network Attached Storage) adds *nothing* for reliability - it just means that the storage server is using protocols layered on TCP/IP (e.g. "CIFS" (Common Internet File System) or "NFS" (Nightmare File System)) for distributed access.

Sigh, do we really need to go there? I know what a NAS is and I left it to the reader to understand that most NAS devices incorporate RAID of some variety. I suppose in this era of cheapo 2 drive units I shouldn't make that assumption.

Since we're sharing, here's my arrangement:

WORKING COPY:
~ 6TB on a RAID 5 NAS (music, photos, working documents, et al)
15TB RAID 0 on my HTPC for video

Archive:
4 TB for music/photos/incidental video
18 TB for video

Offsite:
4 TB backup of music/photos/incidental video

Very good news. The player appears to be very rough around the edges, but I'm excited to see an entrepreneur step up and fill the void left by Apple.
 
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Not to rain on any parades, but it looks like Macgo, the new software solution for allowing Blu-Ray playback on a Mac, won't be possible for inflight viewing unless your plane comes equipped with WiFi (ex. Virgin Airlines). Gotta love DRM.

Read more here.

Software looks, at this time, half-baked from the reviews.

It is indeed very rough, but the first version of OSX was rough around the edges though.

There's lots of Engrish on their website, but they say they are working on a solution for offline viewing.
 
For the 10 millionth time, HTPC. It's simply more versatile than a 10 foot high stack of individual components. I have an HTPC connected to my 65" THX Plasma, and all of my media is accessible over the network, including Blu-Ray ISOs. And I can do things only a PC can do, such as multichannel FLAC, torrents, streaming, Hulu, Netflix, all the network websites, ad infinitum, in addition to Blu-Ray playback features only an HTPC can offer.

And "for the 10 millionth time", I would still rather have a dedicated BD player than one integrated into my Mac. By the way, how is the addition of a BD integrated HTPC going to eliminate your "10 foot high stack of individual components?" Oh I see, next you'll want a power amp (Marantz, Denon) and gaming systems (Xbox, Wii, PS3) all built into your HTPC too. LOL

And you still ignore those gorgeous 30" 2560x1600 Apple cinema displays

Too small for my taste to watch BD's.
 
Very disappointing. I cannot understand his opposition to Blu Ray. Weren't Apple one of the parties supporting the standard over HD-DVD.

yes they were, but its a matter of business. i'd bet steve has blu-ray in his living room

however to add blu-ray to the mac lineup, he would need to pay other companies
now when they worked out their numbers, it likely turned out it wasnt worth "supporting" as its not likely going to entice many people to buy a mac. and they have a stranglehold on their customers and know not supporting it isnt going to make customers buy a sony

while the itunes movie store is making them a ton of money, no matter what they tell you. its big business
 
Sigh, do we really need to go there? I know what a NAS is and I left it to the reader to understand that most NAS devices incorporate RAID of some variety. I suppose in this era of cheapo 2 drive units I shouldn't make that assumption.

Sorry to cause offense, I meant to expand on your statement since many of the cheaper NAS boxes are either single drive or do not support RAID. A lot of readers don't have the background that some of us have, and might believe that NAS by itself implies extra availability.

In fact, the NAS box that's probably most familiar to readers is a single drive unit which doesn't even have an enterprise-class drive. (The "Time Capsule"....)
 
And "for the 10 millionth time", I would still rather have a dedicated BD player than one integrated into my Mac.

Unfortunately Apple doesn't agree with you that the Mac isn't suited for HTPC applications.



But then again, you think the Mac is a "business machine".

By the way, how is the addition of a BD integrated HTPC going to eliminate your "10 foot high stack of individual components?" Oh I see, next you'll want a power amp (Marantz, Denon) and gaming systems (Xbox, Wii, PS3) all built into your HTPC too. LOL

Sure, I have all three game systems.

But the core of my home theater system is my Yamaha THX receiver and HTPC. Because the HTPC does it all -- CD, DVD, Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, music (900GB lossless iTunes library), high res music (vinyl rips, DVD-A rips, SACD rips), multichannel music (ripped from DVD-A, SACD, Blu-Ray, quad, DTS CD, et al), video from all over the place, photos, TV tuner, slingbox client, et al. It's hard to think of something the HTPC can't do (yet it's very easy to think of something the Mac can't do).

You don't still have a stand alone CD player and a rack of jewel cases, do you? Of course not, you rip to iTunes (at least I hope so). So now you understand the power of an HTPC, even if you won't carry it to its logical conclusion.

I do have extras that I don't really need -- a set top cable box and a DVDO scaler, as well as a 3D Blu-Ray player as a backup (don't really need it because the HTPC can do that too and so can the PS3 -- I guess I just like having a backup on standby). Each I could live without but I keep them around and hardly ever use them.

I hardly ever use the PS3 to play Blu-Rays. While it is a good player, it can't bistream over HDMI (tsk, tsk) and the interface is too video-gamey, way too amateur for a real home theater.

I'm very surprised, you are eager to get rid of jewel cases cluttering your life but not eager to get rid of all those black boxes cluttering your life as well. One box can do it all. Well, as long as it isn't a Mac.

I've lived through those days -- with the separate amp and receiver, 300 disc CD changer, separate DVD-A and SACD players, DVD player(s), turntable, VHS, LaserDisc, DVD recorder, MiniDisc decks, CD recorder, tape deck, graphic equalizer, SPDIF switch and SCMS stripper, a vocal eliminator I built myself, etc. etc. etc. and I had a dizzying array of little red lights and a few powerstrips full of AC adapters and a few miles of patch cords. Oh and set top media players, I forgot about that too, in fact I used to work for a company that made them. In the end I bailed on the set top devices because none of them does everything. I'm sure glad I got that clutter out of my life.

All that media? All ripped and available on my home network. No players at all required.

Too small for my taste to watch BD's.

Yet the biggest desktop display available and certainly better than this 15" laptop you keep talking about.
 
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yes <Apple supported Blu-Ray early>, but its a matter of business. i'd bet steve has blu-ray in his living room

When he has his Pixar hat on, he'd be a fool not to. Pixar goes to great lengths to present the best possible video quality and it would be mind boggling to ignore the best quality presentation available -- like he does when he has his Apple hat on.

Here's Apple's press release from March 10, 2005 joining the Blu-Ray forum.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/200...Welcomes-Apple-to-Its-Board-of-Directors.html

Sorry to cause offense, I meant to expand on your statement since many of the cheaper NAS boxes are either single drive or do not support RAID.

No problem, and you're right.
 
But then again, you think the Mac is a "business machine".

It is for me and many more big and small.

http://www.apple.com/business/

You don't still have a stand alone CD player and a rack of jewel cases, do you?

No.

I'm very surprised, you are eager to get rid of jewel cases cluttering your life but not eager to get rid of all those black boxes cluttering your life as well.

I can deal with a half a dozen black boxes as opposed to hundreds of jewel cases.

Yet the biggest desktop display available and certainly better than this 15" laptop you keep talking about.

Okay, so who would want to watch a movie at their desk in front of a 30" ACD versus sitting in comfortable leather chairs in a home theater with 90" plus screen? BTW - where is the 30" ACD still available? Apple online store has zero in re-furbed store.
 
Well this (if true) will be the last nail in the coffin for those hoping for a Mac with a Blu-Ray drive - Appears that Apple are planning on having HD+ movies later this year in the iTunes stores.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/08/apple-to-debut-hd-1080p-itunes-movie-services-later-this-year/

To be honest if it was ever going to happen they would have given the option for a Blu-Ray drive by now. I guess the next round of Mac updates due in the next week or so is 'last chance saloon' for a Blu-Ray Mac supplied by Apple, but I don't think it is ever going to happen to be honest.

I understand that many people want the option for Blu-Ray, I just don't believe Apple is going to do it - Ever.
 
Well this (if true) will be the last nail in the coffin for those hoping for a Mac with a Blu-Ray drive - Appears that Apple are planning on having HD+ movies later this year in the iTunes stores.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/08/apple-to-debut-hd-1080p-itunes-movie-services-later-this-year/

Read a little deeper and you'll see that they expect the streams to average only 10 mbps (Blu-Ray is typically in the 30-60mbps range) and even that may be too taxing for many users so they may not allow streaming those movies at all, only non-realtime downloads, which doesn't make very much sense for the new Apple TV since it doesn't have a hard drive.

It's a step for Apple, granted, but the quality may be even worse than those badly compressed 720p options they already offer.
 
Low bitrate 1080p isn't a BD replacement, at all. However it will be quite amusing to see the usual suspects defend now why Macs need 1080p at all, since that's just for 100" megaTVs.

:rolleyes:

The new workaround-app for BD playback is mildly interesting, but something in the back of my head is wondering about how "legit" this is... I hope 100%, but I wonder.

Either way, this lands the Mac with BD "support", second class citizens with a mediocre playback solution that (according to the Macworld review of the app) is not quite stable - and requiers a live internet connection every time a BD is played.

I still hope Apple will get its act together and include a genuine BD player in Mac OS X. It's a consumer app, after all. That's what they do now. :cool:
 
My facts are not incorrect ...

Conventionally speaking, you are correct. However, your context was pedantic and from the pedantic perspective they're wrong. Please do keep in mind that "resolution" isn't merely just limited to how it has been implemented on analog (NTSC/PAL) TV signals, because television is not the sole field of optics.

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And you've faithfully download all of the updates to these appliances to keep them running ... which was my point about changing DRM headaches.
Not entirely, perhaps at first ...

Which is basically a "yes" to my question. This illustrates that there is indeed contrast versus the billions of consumer devices which have never downloaded any DRM updates to keep their CD players and DVD players running.


Rapid backpedalling noted. Of course, it does beg the question as to why you just tried to "SELL" it as such...was this merely more of your own "misinformative nonsense" being spread on the cornfield?

:rolleyes: No backpedaling involved since I haven't been advocating Blu-Ray's use as an archival media ...

Unfortunately, that makes no logical sense, because you pedantically listed GB sizes and from the perspective of the consumer's end use application, they don't need to know that: they merely care that it still holds "One Movie" , just like the DVD did before it.

The core of my advocacy has been as being the best way to deliver the highest quality media available today, i.e. 1080p movies. Perhaps you missed it.

That narrow point isn't in dispute AFAIC.

Along with Blu-Ray came a new "stop gap" solution called AVC-HD, where you can put H.264 video on a conventional DVD for short bursts of video (15 minutes on a single layer). Blu-Ray players support this.

The "stop gap" came later, and ...as per the Wiki page you cite... is not supported on all Blu-Ray players...merely some. In any case, isn't this really only a factor because of DRM issues in the first place?


That would be because I already said that nobody is forcing anyone to buy all their movies all over again if they don't want to. I certainly am not. Do you need me to pull the quote?

What you've missed is the insight that the general public consumer's perception of something is not necessarily automatically correct ("truth").

I'm not endorsing the public's perception as being correct - - I'm merely reporting what these perception's are.

So in answer to your 'pull the quote' question, I say "YES": please do go back and pull that quote and make sure that it includes my question, because perhaps then you'll finally see how your responses have utterly missed my point.


I can't guarantee that either of us will be alive in 5 minutes either.

However, looking at the chain of evolution of the 5" optical disc, your fears are completely unfounded. There is an unbroken chain of compatibility from the CD to Blu-Ray (the only notable exception I can think of is DVD-A and SACD ...

Golly, an unbroken chain - - except for where it has already been broken.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us with a 5" optical disc that has been rendered obsolete and no longer included in player compatibility.

Besides the two you just mentioned?

Offhand, I can also recall there being a heck of a lot of other mutually-incompatible CD formats way back when I got my first CD burner & software back circa 1992.

I might still have that burner software on an old machine in the basement - - I'm only a half hour drive from where you live, so drop me a note offline and I'll coordinate to loan you the hardware to set it up to search through it...fair enough?


-hh
 
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Anyone who writes "conventionally speaking, you are correct... BUT." is probably not worth replying to since he's in his own particular world.

Either way, quite clearly -hh writes a lot of FUD, if he was a PC kool-aid drinker, he'd be writing that MACS are Fisher Price, 90% of the market uses Windows and the success of Windows proves it's quality, so Microsoft can't make huge, glaring mistakes (because they've made so much money), that MACS are just for graphics professionals (but Windows can do it just as well, if not better), that one-button mouse prevents speed and productivity, that MAC hardware is inferior and more expensive, that MAC users are a cult;

and to top it all off, you'd claim that anyone arguing with you and pointing out the obviously loaded FUD you're spreading is just that is "conventionally speaking, correct...BUT."

Well -hh, conventionally speaking (and in all other ways) you are wrong. It's like you've never used Blu-ray. You certainly speak that way. :confused:
 
Low bitrate 1080p isn't a BD replacement, at all. However it will be quite amusing to see the usual suspects defend now why Macs need 1080p at all, since that's just for 100" megaTVs.

:rolleyes:

The new workaround-app for BD playback is mildly interesting, but something in the back of my head is wondering about how "legit" this is... I hope 100%, but I wonder.

Either way, this lands the Mac with BD "support", second class citizens with a mediocre playback solution that (according to the Macworld review of the app) is not quite stable - and requiers a live internet connection every time a BD is played.

I still hope Apple will get its act together and include a genuine BD player in Mac OS X. It's a consumer app, after all. That's what they do now. :cool:

I am always ready to defend apple when it's logical/necessary and some troll is sitting in a dark basement simpering about how since he uses PCs they're better.

However, not having BD support is literally one of the most idiotic, irritating, offensive, and ridiculous things apple has ever done and in no way can I even pretend it's not a direct attack at prosumers. As you said above, any type of streaming or downloaded horribly compressed file is absolutely nothing compared to a BD, and resolutions are almost meaningless if the mastering and/or compression loses all contrast, color, film artifacts, etc of the original. And DD 5.1 is no better than CD quality audio; BDs are worth the time/effort/money for the audio alone (when a true DTS HD Master Audio track is on the disk), and if you don't believe me you haven't heard them correctly or done the simple enough research to understand the leaps and bounds of improvements these massive audio tracks have over normal 5.1 DVD style audio. Just research the size of the files, the frequency ranges, the loseless format, etc. It's no one's "opinion" or "feeling," it's simple, quantifiable fact.


However, I don't think having hundreds of pages of rants will help anyone, so I offer the option to redirect towards some helpful info because I refuse to read X,000 posts of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Can someone please simply answer, with links to support:

A) what are the best (quality v ease of facilitation) current workarounds for reading and burning BDs?

B) have there been any official statements or strongly reasonable rumors/leaks indicating apple officially accepting the current and vastly superior format?

Thanks.
 
Interestingly more students prefer non-BD supported Macs over BD supported Windows PCs and a free XBox 360.

Back to school sales has Apple beating Microsoft 8 to 2
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/07/05/b...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+macgasm/main+(Macgasm)

It looks like the computer "that just works" trumps BD support.

Well of course. Everyone here would prefer having OS X with no Blu-ray over a Windows PC with Blu-ray. But the argument here is that those of us with Macs would prefer a Mac with Blu-ray over a Mac without Blu-ray. Not everyone has the 90" screen setup that you have. Some of us live in a 1 bedroom apartment where the Mac (especially with its gorgeous 27" display) is our main entertainment center.
 
Interestingly more students prefer non-BD supported Macs over BD supported Windows PCs and a free XBox 360.

Back to school sales has Apple beating Microsoft 8 to 2
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/07/05/b...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+macgasm/main+(Macgasm)

It looks like the computer "that just works" trumps BD support.

Which is not all that surprising, since there's a lot more to the Mac ecosystem than any one attribute/feature.

Of course, that doesn't stop anyone from trying to use the strategy of single-issue politics to try to claim that any one feature is utterly critical. Of course, amongst of what they neglected to consider is that a For-Profit Corporation is not a Democracy (nor a Republic).


-hh
 
Which is basically a "yes" to my question. This illustrates that there is indeed contrast versus the billions of consumer devices which have never downloaded any DRM updates to keep their CD players and DVD players running.

Sigh, I suppose there's no way to make you happy other than to get a time machine and leave my players untouched.

Usually I upgrade the firmware because of some new features (for example the ancient Samsung HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player added DTS-HD decoding via firmware update).

Again that player has been obsolete for years now and hasn't received any new firmware updates in that time. So why exactly you, a person who does not have a Blu-Ray player, is so worried about something that doesn't even happen, is ponderous.

I've never had a player reject a disk because of DRM.

So where exactly does this issue come up? Did it ever happen at all or is it all in your imagination, or are you just listening to unsubstantiated FUD? Or are you in the habit of trying to play pirated discs?

Golly, an unbroken chain - - except for where it <the unbroken chain of compatibility from CD to Blu-Ray> has already been broken.

Besides the two you just mentioned?

Perhaps you missed my link to the Oppo players that still play them. If you want to have it, you can get it. Chain unbroken.

Offhand, I can also recall there being a heck of a lot of other mutually-incompatible CD formats way back when I got my first CD burner & software back circa 1992.

I'd like to hear more about them because I can't think of a time I've gone to play a CD and I had "the wrong type of player". There were CD-Rs, music CD-Rs (which had no distinction other than having a built in royalty to the RIAA on the assumption you were going to pirate with them), and CD-RWs. On the DVD from there were DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, DVD+RW and DVD-RW. A pain at first but after a while player/recorders handled all of them so it's not really an issue.

Interestingly more students prefer non-BD supported Macs over BD supported Windows PCs and a free XBox 360.

Back to school sales has Apple beating Microsoft 8 to 2
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/07/05/b...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+macgasm/main+(Macgasm)

It looks like the computer "that just works" trumps BD support.

Most college students are also sheep looking to fit in (at least as freshmen) and having a glowing Apple is cool for surfing reddit in the student lounge, just as having the white earbuds was cool when the iPod came out. As long as they bring their 90" projection screen and PS3 to their dorm rooms, they're set for movies. (We all know college kids live a life of mass piracy anyway, so they don't care about legal media).

We all know where the college students will be getting their HD movies, and it isn't from iTunes or Netflix. It will be torrents of Blu-Ray rips made by people with Blu-Ray drives and Windows PCs.

I wonder how all those new film students are going to distribute the HD movies they make on their Macs.

Ironically, the dorm room is probably the ideal example where the computer becomes a device that does everything -- not just schoolwork and surfing, but communication (skype/ichat et al), music and TV and movies. Ideal place for the 27" iMac to shine and play Blu-Rays.
 
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Interestingly more students prefer non-BD supported Macs over BD supported Windows PCs and a free XBox 360.

Back to school sales has Apple beating Microsoft 8 to 2
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/07/05/b...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+macgasm/main+(Macgasm)

It looks like the computer "that just works" trumps BD support.

Seriously? How many more times are you going to make this irrelevant point!? If I could be bothered I'd go through the thread and count.

It isn't relevant how many macs get sold without Blu-ray because you don't know that more still wouldn't be sold if Apple offered a Blu-ray option.

"Interestingly"? No, it isn't! At least not in the context of this thread's subject matter.
 
Sigh, I suppose there's no way to make you happy other than to get a time machine and leave my players untouched.

What a melodramatic way to miss the point.

I've never had a player reject a disk because of DRM.

Qualifier noted: so what were some of your disks rejected due to?
FWIW, I've had disks rejected due to hardware failures...sure, stuff breaks. It becomes less clearcut if a messed-up firmware updates was attributable.

So where exactly does this issue come up? Did it ever happen at all or is it all in your imagination, or are you just listening to unsubstantiated FUD? Or are you in the habit of trying to play pirated discs?

First, you claim that I don't have a BD player...then you claim that I play pirated BD disks. Proof of either is absent, which makes this a TOS reportable personal attack...I offer you this opportunity for you to withdraw your unsubstantiated accusations and apologize.


Perhaps you missed my link to the Oppo players that still play them. If you want to have it, you can get it. Chain unbroken.

The requirement to use a niche product merely illustrates that the mainstream players have utterly abandoned these two old formats. Pragmatically, people would say that the chain is broken, but since you're choosing to go the pedantic approach, you "win" on these two specific formats, but it also means that we need to be pedantically complete and determine what other potentially orphaned formats out there. And the answer is that there indeed are more:

I'd like to hear more about them because I can't think of a time I've gone to play a CD and I had "the wrong type of player".

As you were warned, it has been roughly 20 years. But I do recall that the software was Adaptec Toast. Do keep in mind that there was a learning curve in getting it all "Right" in the very early days of CD burning, because with CD-Rs then costing over $10 each, making such an error was literally costly...which is why I happened to recall this, despite it being nearly two decades ago.

There were CD-Rs, music CD-Rs (which had no distinction other than having a built in royalty to the RIAA on the assumption you were going to pirate with them), and CD-RWs...

There was far more than just "CD-R" vs "CD-RW" to consider, because there was also the formatting specifics burned onto said media's sectors. Nomenclatures of Red Book, Blue Book, Green Book and so on...do they ring any bells for you, or were you late to the Party?

It matter not, since at least the Manual for Toast 3.5 specifically mentions: Mac Volume (HFS), ISO-9660, Audio CD, CD-i (Phillip's Compact Disk Interactive), Enhanced Music CD, Multitrack CD-ROM XA, plus hybrids and mixed modes, and other known names.

FWIW, I can also recall there existed Kodak's Photo CD format...and do note that this is not the same format as today's Kodak Picture CD is.

Plus there was also the short-lived "VinylDisc" CD format...yes, a literal digital/analog hybrid. And since you've rejected the pragmatic road for the pedantic, that there were probably less than 10,000 VinylDiscs ever printed is utterly irrelevant: it existed.

So! I'm so confident that your chain is indeed broken that I'll back it up with an IRL bet of a full dinner at the Chester Publick House that even your niche Oppo player doesn't support all of the above mentioned CD-based formats too.


Most college students are also sheep looking to fit in...

Hence how there's many other factors to consider, instead of trying to make this all simplify down to a "Single Issue" politic.

We all know where the college students will be getting their HD movies, and it isn't from iTunes or Netflix. It will be torrents of Blu-Ray rips made by people with Blu-Ray drives and Windows PCs.

No disagreement....but do keep that thought in mind.

I wonder how all those new film students are going to distribute the HD movies they make on their Macs.

Probably not too much unlike how I'm already doing it today.

Ironically, the dorm room is probably the ideal example where the computer becomes a device that does everything -- not just schoolwork and surfing, but communication (skype/ichat et al), music and TV and movies. Ideal place for the 27" iMac to shine and play Blu-Rays.

Sure. Of course, the dilemma is that if these students are indeed the pirating thieves that you suggested previously, then the implications of this from the business perspective side of things is that they're not an as-profitable of a customer segment for Apple to pursue as a priority (at least for this specific reason).


In summary,

1. We know that there's nothing technically stopping Apple from adopting Blu-Ray...but Apple has still not adopted it.

2. We also know that some people desire having Blu-Ray capability on a Mac.

3. And that's about all that we really definitively know.



-hh
 
Was at a friend's house with Hulu Plus and Netflix subscriptions today. Watched one movie on Hulu, no commercials, picture was decent. Watched another movie... every five or ten minutes, at random locations (like the middle of a sentence) the movie stops, and a commercial played for about two minutes.

How can anyone watch a movie like that? :confused:
Seriously. Score another point for discs that play movies from start to finish as the director intended.

Tried Netflix, but it just gave some message about not being able to connect, despite a perfect internet connection.

Streaming: -2
 
I've never had a player reject a disk because of DRM.
I have. Just recently. First thing I did was double check, firmware is the latest (probably final, due to age). Searched online, no comments about my player and this disc. Sent it back to Netflix, there were slight marks on it. Got a 2nd, same problem, and that one looked pristine. Got sick of it, watched the movie via...alternate means. Burn After Reading. I guess I can't be 100% sure it was DRM as the error messages aren't exceedingly informative, but it doesn't appear to be hardware, played many BD and DVD since.

Earlier times I've had DRM issues, too. But those were all solved with new firmware.

My player is 3 generations back, if I've paid attention.
just to troll..... i don't even know what blu-ray looks like 0.o
Well, it's blue.
 
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