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everyone who is in the "down with blu ray" crowd can come over my house and watch the Dark Kight on blu ray with me.....

Agreed! Dark Knight on Blu-Ray is incredible, especially the opening sequence they filmed with the IMAX camera. hmmmm, I might have to go home and watch it again.

My wife picked up Independance Day on Blu-ray a few week ago, WOW, it was almost like watching a different movie. You notice things you never noticed before. Even my wife noticed the difference. :)

I might get flamed for this, but I was amazed at how good the recently release Toy Story movies looked on blu-ray, its outstanding, my dog freaks out when the Slinky Dog is the screen.
 
everyone who is in the "down with blu ray" crowd can come over my house and watch the Dark Kight on blu ray with me, and finally see what bluray is all about. Or if that makes you uncomfortable, because blu ray is a dead format and all, you can all crowd around my 13 inch macbook and watch a digital download version, and enjoy it that way.

Mac Mini should have blu ray, what's that point of hdmi with out blu ray? I don't need hdmi to watch my 480p downloads on my tv, USB 1 will probably do.

Downloads may be the future, but blu ray is now, and that's how I want to watch my movies, store my photos, and back up my hard drive.

for the win!

\o/
 
Or you can just say that you need a new tv or glasses. It's a huge difference in my theater at home.

My prescription is current and I have a 1080 TV. The only movies that look vastly better are animation.

Keep your insults to yourself. The fact is that the difference is not enough for most people to care about.
 
But what about those of us who want to edit our hd videos of our kids, pop in a br disc and burn some hd video for our family? Why are these discussions so centered on movies and not what so many people use their macs for: video editing and burning?

Vimeo? Youtube?
 
Ahhh, the old "I won't use it, so no one else will use it" mantra.

When did I say this? I said "I'm fine with it." Evidently other people care, but that doesn't mean I do. This post was relating to my feelings on the subject, no one else's.

As for my argument about having to replace my dvds being bogus, that's your opinion. Nor was it an argument, for that matter. If I used Blu-ray, why wouldn't I replace my favorite movies? To be honest, though, I wouldn't buy Blu-ray even if I had the option; I rarely purchase physical media anymore, and even if I did, new Blu-ray discs are too expensive for my budget. For me, being able to see each individual pore on someone's face just isn't worth it.

It's great that you take your dvds on trips and the like. I don't. If I want to watch something, I watch it on my iPod.
 
My prescription is current and I have a 1080 TV. The only movies that look vastly better are animation.

Keep your insults to yourself. The fact is that the difference is not enough for most people to care about.

the difference is more than enough, have you watched a blu ray??? and he's not insulting you, just suggesting you might want to have your eyes checked out if you can't see the difference between blu ray and the compressed mess of a digital download.

show blu ray some love, it might be baby sitting your kids someday
 
So Steve Jobs is going to personally solve the internet problems of rural America? Streaming is all well and good if you live in a city where you have access to affordable/quality internet. But what about the 40% of Americans who don't even have access to broadband? Or those of us who actually want something tangible to hold in our hands when we shell out money? I'm all for streaming TV shows and regular movies, but when a movie is good enough that I want to buy a high-def copy of it to watch multiple times, I want physical media and not Steve Jobs or anyone else will change that. Besides wasn't it only a few years ago that Steve Jobs said that people don't read any more? And what was one of the biggest features of the iPad?
 
... I have a 1080 TV. The only movies that look vastly better are animation.

actually -- the difference is quite noticeable even for non-animation. Watch any movie on DVD side-by-side with Blu-Ray. (I also have a 1080p HDTV.)
 
the difference is more than enough, have you watched a blu ray??? and he's not insulting you, just suggesting you might want to have your eyes checked out if you can't see the difference between blu ray and the compressed mess of a digital download.

show blu ray some love, it might be baby sitting your kids someday

To suggest that I am somehow an idiot or need my eyes checked for not giving a crap about the difference between Blu-ray and DVD is definitely an insult.

And if you read my posts, you'd know that I own a Blu-ray player and a 1080 TV.

It's my opinion that most people don't give two hoots about the difference. Get over it.

actually -- the difference is quite noticeable even for non-animation. Watch any movie on DVD side-by-side with Blu-Ray. (I also have a 1080p HDTV.)

Not enough of a difference for me to replace all my DVDs.
 
As much as Netflix streaming has taken over my life I still own Blu-ray versions of my favorite films. Why? Because as convenient as streaming is the audio quality is sub-par with video compressed to hell and nothing comes close to Blu in both picture quality and audio fidelity.

When I can rent or own that quality via his idea of distribution then I will be on board.
 
So Steve Jobs is going to personally solve the internet problems of rural America? Streaming is all well and good if you live in a city where you have access to affordable/quality internet.

That's the thing, forget rural, a lot of North American cities don't have access to proper broadband, what with the low bandwidth and download caps being put in place by ISPs.

My Internet access is the same as the Internet access being provided in Montreal, the biggest city in my province (2nd biggest city of Canada).
 
I myself think of my CD & Movie collection as that, a collection. It's kind of hard to display files on a shelf.

I know I sound like an old geezer, but I'm only 29.

I once joked that people with the collecting instinct suffer a genetic disease.
If they own a bunch of magazines and issue 7 is missing, they feel compelled to get it to make the shelf look tidy.

My collection sits on a Drobo in my basement.
I can watch my movies from any computer, any iPad in the house, and from a number of TVs.

When I go overseas I can stream my collection to wherever I happen to be.

I do not miss the going to the shelf, selecting a disk, removing the packaging, inserting the disk in a player, and then tidying up afterwards.
I do not miss navigating stupid DVD menus either. I just press play.

I am 47, and I simply do not have time for the "vinyl record experience"

C.
 
To suggest that I am somehow an idiot or need my eyes checked for not giving a crap about the difference between Blu-ray and DVD is definitely an insult.

And if you read my posts, you'd know that I own a Blu-ray player and a 1080 TV.

It's my opinion that most people don't give two hoots about the difference. Get over it.



Not enough of a difference for me to replace all my DVDs.

im not saying your an idiot, so i apologize, but my beef is with apple, not you. so let's all relax and stop taking this personally. i just want blu ray, so why can't i have it?
 
To suggest that I am somehow an idiot or need my eyes checked for not giving a crap about the difference between Blu-ray and DVD is definitely an insult.

It's not an insult, it just suggest that maybe you can't truely see the difference, because anybody that can agrees Blu-ray is light years ahead of upscaled DVDs.

Either you're being dishonest or you have vision problems, or a really ****** tv. There is no other option.

Not enough of a difference for me to replace all my DVDs.

Blu-ray players are capable of DVD playback, why would you replace your DVDs ? All new movies I buy are on Blu-ray, but I'm not replacing my hundreds of DVDs, except for a few choice ones.
 
My prescription is current and I have a 1080 TV. The only movies that look vastly better are animation.

The fact is that the difference is not enough for most people to care about.

The difference is very subtle indeed, - so subtle in fact that when watched from normal sofa distances - it is physically imperceptible.

C.
 
Well I'm not reading through 30 pages of posts, as I'm just catching up with this topic. But I have to say it's a bit unfair for professional videographers like myself. We have clients that want their deliverables on a BLU-RAY disc. It's annoying that we have to switch to a PC, use the PC's crappy software just to burn a BD. For me, it's not about watching BD's on my computer, it's about giving my clients what they want, in whatever format they want. And it would be nice if we could at least have some kind of drivers that will support Blu-Ray on OSX. That way we could at the very least buy an external BD drive (or an internal for the Mac Pro), on our own. The option would be nice.
 
...It's my opinion that most people don't give two hoots about the difference. Get over it...

I would have to agree. I know many people who have DVD players, and no need or desire for Blu-ray.

I personally will never buy a DVD again (maybe 5 dollar ones), Blu ray will be MY preferred choice of video medium. But I don't have to force it on other people. I may get them to experience it before making a final decision, but after that it is their choice.


...Not enough of a difference for me to replace all my DVDs.

Have I replaced some of my DVDs with Blu ray, absolutely. Will I replace all of them, NO
 
As much as Netflix streaming has taken over my life I still own Blu-ray versions of my favorite films. Why? Because as convenient as streaming is the audio quality is sub-par with video compressed to hell and nothing comes close to Blu in both picture quality and audio fidelity.

When I can rent or own that quality via his idea of distribution then I will be on board.

Agreed!!
 
Well I'm not reading through 30 pages of posts, as I'm just catching up with this topic. But I have to say it's a bit unfair for professional videographers like myself. ....That way we could at the very least buy an external BD drive (or an internal for the Mac Pro), on our own. The option would be nice.

I googled this. It took me 3 seconds.
http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/

C.
 
It's not an insult, it just suggest that maybe you can't truely see the difference, because anybody that can agrees Blu-ray is light years ahead of upscaled DVDs.

Either you're being dishonest or you have vision problems, or a really ****** tv. There is no other option.

I'm not lying, and I don't have vision problems or a s*** TV. I don;t give a crap about the difference between BR and DVD. A lot of other people don't either. I never said there wasn't a difference, I said there's not ENOUGH of a difference for me to give a s***. A lot of other people feel that way too.
 
The difference is very subtle indeed, - so subtle in fact that when watched from normal sofa distances - it is physically imperceptible.

C.

That is blatantly false. Normal sofas are between 5 and 8 feet away from your TV. With screen sizes of 40 to 50", 1080p is a noticeable difference at that range :

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I'm not lying, and I don't have vision problems or a s*** TV. I don;t give a crap about the difference between BR and DVD. A lot of other people don't either. I never said there wasn't a difference, I said there's not ENOUGH of a difference for me to give a s***. A lot of other people feel that way too.

Yo, maybe you should put down the coffee, you need to relax. :D

Yes you are lying then.

People might not believe the upgrade is worth changing their TV and DVD player for, but people with 1080p TVs don't think twice about it, since a Blu-ray player is 100$, plays upscaled DVDs, and Blu-ray movies aren't anymore expensive nowadays.
 
Blu-ray is largely an enthusiast format and 3D Blu-ray is going to end up a niche within a niche.

I agree with half of that statement, 3D Blu-Ray is a niche product, how many 3D films and sporting events are there....okay now how many of them are good? I'm guessing you can only name one, Avatar (personally I wasn't a fan of it but that's just my taste) for every Avatar there are far more My Bloody Valentine 3D type films.

However, Blu-Ray as an enthusiast format, gotta say, it dosn't look like that to me. When DVD came out, a lot of people said that VHS was good enough and DVD was only for enthuasiasts, look how that turned out.

Back in the early days of DVD I remember HMV had one small corner of the shop with DVDs and the rest was VHS. Then that section expanded to a row, then two rows. This continued until VHS was dead. A few weeks ago, HMV had a small corner of blu-rays, then on Monday I walked in and found they had expanded that section to a row, it probably won't be long until one row becomes two. To me, this looks exactly the same as the early days of DVD and the death of VHS, not a niche format.

I can understand how something like DVD-A and Laserdisc are enthuasist formats, because only a few people know or care about them. Go on the street and ask someone about DVD-A and I bet 90% of people will say they have never even heard of it. Now, go out and ask about Blu-Ray, I'm betting EVERYONE has heard of it. It's a mainstream format, not an enthusiast one.
Granted, they may not know every single technical detail about the format, but they will all know that Blu-Ray is higher quality.
 
Personally I have little use for blu-ray. I rent blu-ray movies occasionally but I wouldn't pay $1 for blu-ray capabilities on a Mac.

BUT...

Steve, give the people what they want -- as an OPTION -- how is this going to hurt anything?
 
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