Which is why I wrote: "Not having proper media for use on the TV in a DD format is what this topic is mostly about."
Thank you for reinforcing what I just stated.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Which is why I wrote: "Not having proper media for use on the TV in a DD format is what this topic is mostly about."
Thank you for reinforcing what I just stated.
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Sure there are 1080p broadcasts. Not many channels yet, but DirectTV and others have deployed 1080p movie channels and such.
It seems "good enough" has become Apple's new motto lately.Don't care. Don't buy Blu-Ray. Just stick to online movies even in iTunes, good enough, and easy + cheaper
First we took the switchers. Then we adapted their low standards...
Steve has got it all wrong
Steve, Steve, Steve...what are you thinking? Streaming HD content? I know you're building one of the biggest data centers in the world, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to pump it out to the masses. Have you noticed that ATT and other mobile vendors are dropping unlimited access? Have you noticed all the networks slowing down? Have you notice that 720p isn't the current standard for hi-def. Streamed media doesn't have the options that disc media has (extras, captioning, etc.). Also, the reason more people don't buy more movies online is the storage and backup requirement. You need a dedicated IT guy just to manage your files. The iPad started out as the Newton, think about it. It just took 15 years or so to get to where the technology caught up to the vision. The infrastructure in this country is about a decade or two behind where Steve is thinking. Blu-ray is not a 5 1/4 floppy. I love Apple products, I really do. Sir Steve can't make money supporting Blu-ray, apple doesn't sell them, thus he and the folks at Apple are thinking more about profits then customer experience. These are dark times.
Steve, Steve, Steve...what are you thinking? Streaming HD content? I know you're building one of the biggest data centers in the world, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to pump it out to the masses. Have you noticed that ATT and other mobile vendors are dropping unlimited access? Have you noticed all the networks slowing down? Have you notice that 720p isn't the current standard for hi-def. Streamed media doesn't have the options that disc media has (extras, captioning, etc.). Also, the reason more people don't buy more movies online is the storage and backup requirement. You need a dedicated IT guy just to manage your files. The iPad started out as the Newton, think about it. It just took 15 years or so to get to where the technology caught up to the vision. The infrastructure in this country is about a decade or two behind where Steve is thinking. Blu-ray is not a 5 1/4 floppy. I love Apple products, I really do. Sir Steve can't make money supporting Blu-ray, apple doesn't sell them, thus he and the folks at Apple are thinking more about profits then customer experience. These are dark times.
Good to know. I find it odd that a DVD w/HDMI only outputs 1080 60Hz...my buddy has a better version of the TV I have and his does the same.
Yeah, I agree with you on the clutter. I try to keep it organized. When my clutter starts to get out of hand, my wife puts a quick stop to that. She hates that I still buy CDs. I've had numerous discussions as to why I still buy CDs, but I can never bring her to understand why I do it. I just tell her "It's art." Maybe if I use the album covers to decorate my office, that would help her understand? Probably not.
Don't care. Don't buy Blu-Ray. Just stick to online movies even in iTunes, good enough, and easy + cheaper
For those of us who spent some money on a home theater system, the only thing that's "good enough" for us is the best possible viewing experience, which is Blu-ray. I didn't buy a 1080p TV and surround sound system to watch Apple's 720p compressed garbage.
Yeah, that makes sense (sarcasm)...give a 2 year old and a 4 year old an iPad...despite the fact that we have DVD players already...not just me saying this about my family, but other families out there...
I want an iPad, but no way my kids get one at these ages...
I want an iPad, but no way my kids get one at these ages...
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so Blu-ray is out of date yet Apple happy to ship DVD which was invented 1995 / CD 1985 ...?
even if not built in, please support external.
basically channeling to future Apple device then. no reason given why in UK there's no HD (720) from iTunes that ARE available on AppleTv and iPad, yet shipping 24"+ screens with "the ultimate display".
http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/
Exactly how can i watch StarTrek over here ...BitTorrent?
"LED-Backlit Displays
Watch HD movies and TV shows on an LED-backlit 21.5-inch or 27-inch 16:9 display."
http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/features.html
been waiting to buy for yonks!
even if not built in, please support external.
basically channeling to future Apple device then. no reason given why in UK there's no HD (720) from iTunes that ARE available on AppleTv and iPad, yet shipping 24"+ screens with "the ultimate display".
http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/
Exactly how can i watch StarTrek over here ...BitTorrent?
"LED-Backlit Displays
Watch HD movies and TV shows on an LED-backlit 21.5-inch or 27-inch 16:9 display."
http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/features.html
been waiting to buy for yonks!
Thats exactly right. All Jobs cares about now is $$$. Apple has become more greedy and evil that M$ and Gates ever were.
Why no Blu-ray content? It competes with HD content in iTunes store.
Why no Flash on iPad/iPhone? Free web based flash content competes directly with stuff in the iTunes app store.
If you think Jobs cares one bit about the end user, then you are sadly mistaken. If there was a way Jobs could make a buck off of offering Blu-ray or Flash then you bet your ass it would be offered. Fact is, these are direct competitors with itunes store so you will NEVER see them on apple products.
I'm just surprised they haven't gone MBA across the board and eliminated the internal ODD "Superdrive" altogether, and make you buy an external.
I'm all for the elimination of physical media. I'm working hard to get all of my random stuff spread out on floppy/tape/CD/DVD/HDD/etc... onto a centralized home server and then eliminate all the piles of physical media I can. Yet, I ended up buying a BR STB at Xmas and get most of my NetFlix on BR now, and buy ~ one BR disc per month or so.
Would love to have some kind of official BR support on OS X, even if it was only in the form of an external drive.
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I'm all for the elimination of physical media. I'm working hard to get all of my random stuff spread out on floppy/tape/CD/DVD/HDD/etc... onto a centralized home server and then eliminate all the piles of physical media I can. Yet, I ended up buying a BR STB at Xmas and get most of my NetFlix on BR now, and buy ~ one BR disc per month or so.
Would love to have some kind of official BR support on OS X, even if it was only in the form of an external drive.
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Yup. That's why everyone and their dog is lusting after Apple gear.
Apple guides the industry. They sneeze and everyone else grabs a Kleenex.
- There is no viable competition for the iPad.
- The iPhone 4 has set the bar. Again.
- Macs break sales records quarter for quarter, despite the availability of cheaper options on the market.
And so on.
If iTunes offered decent HD movies, Blu-ray would still be needed :
- iTunes requires me to wait for the movie to download. This will take longer than driving to the store on my Internet connection.
- iTunes locks the movie to my device, making it a pain to switch devices, lend to a friend. DRM is bad when applied the iTunes way.
- My Internet provider caps my download usage, which would severely limit the number of decent HD movies I can purchase any given month.
- All this for the same price as a Blu-ray, which gives me a physical copy, with extras, additional soundtracks (my GF doesn't understand English very well and I hate watching American movies in French).
- Speaking of physical copy, I would need to backup the iTunes purchase in order to prevent its loss in case of hard drive failure. I would also need something to store it, like a hard drive. Decent HD movies would take up a lot of space. Hard drives aren't reliable, optical media lasts for years and years.
So no, there's still a few obstacles other than just the movie quality of iTunes. Some of these obstacles aren't 5 years away from being fixed (Internet connectivity being the most glaring one).
I've had a 10 mbps Internet connection for 70$ per month for the last 5 years. I very much doubt 1000 mbps is coming in the next 5.
Yes, especially when you hold it in your hand.
About time we got Job's thoughts on the matter. Unfortunately he seems to get where the market is going to be somewhere in the future than where it actually is now. First off, one of the major selling points of digital music is that you had full import/export rights. If you could only buy digital music from stores and couldn't import your existing library, we might still be using CDs. It offered a better experience at no risk. The same can't be said for digital movies. Second, Apple priced their rentals to compete with digital on demand, not kiosks like redbox. You can rent 4 movies at redbox for what it takes to rent 1 from itunes. Lastly, they take the flaws in their movie business model as indication of where the market is going.
apple will never give a choice about anything. Why? The have a monopoly on mac os x, if you want it you accept whatever they give you. It all comes down to the decisions of one man. Whereas with a generic pc the customer matters more because there is competition and the market dictates what features it will have. You will not see your opinion really matter until os x can run on any computer, then apple might actually have to compete. Right now it's just like shooting fish in a barrel.
But if people want physical media as you suggest they either already have a blu-ray player or plan to get one at ~$100. Cost is the issue. A HTPC is more expensive than a stand alone player and 90% of Americans could care less about a HTPC because most have no idea what to do with it. Wives are the ones you have to help win over. If she sees it as no benefit to the price then she won't buy it. Not to mention if she barely knows how to work it.
Also, digital content is over priced compared to it's physical counterpart. I personally see NO reason to buy a movie from iTunes compared to a physical disc at a retail store except that giant hard drives could hold my movies and take up far less space. Until
TV came along your movies were tied to your computer or iPod. Fine for traveling but pointless to purchase. The solution, then and now, is to buy the movie from the store and rip it to your computer and put it in iTunes. Now you spent the same amount of money and you have a copy for home and the iPod. Triple pack blu-ray discs are the new legal way of doing exactly that. No one should be buying movies from iTunes.Why should they?
Their non-choices are so popular they can't keep up with consumer demand.
I would rather a Mac Mini had toy helicopter blades and a remote control so I could make it fly around the room than a blu Ray player.
It really would be just as pointless. Why there are 30 pages of people whinging about this I do not know.
Perhaps Steve could let them have it so try can WRONGLY watch blu-Ray on a 17 MBP or why not on a 27" iMac where the resolution of the screen is still wrong!
Buy a £99 blu Ray player designed for the job and shut the hell up. It should be under the TV connected to a proper 7.1 HD amp to AT LEAST a 50" TV.
I love Blu Ray but there is no reason at all for it to play back in OS X.
It really would be just as pointless. Why there are 30 pages of people whinging about this I do not know.
Perhaps Steve could let them have it so try can WRONGLY watch blu-Ray on a 17 MBP or why not on a 27" iMac where the resolution of the screen is still wrong!
Buy a £99 blu Ray player designed for the job and shut the hell up. It should be under the TV connected to a proper 7.1 HD amp to AT LEAST a 50" TV.
I love Blu Ray but there is no reason at all for it to play back in OS X.
Time to go Steve!
I never thought I would say this but I cant wait till this guy is gone. He is no longer doing this company any good, there's no inovation, blatant resistance to technology people want and the worst thing imaginable, a culture of deceit as evidenced by the introduction of it's recent design flawed product.
So personally I think it's time for Steve to go. Retire man, your not doing this company any good now! Actually probably more harm than good at this point.
One way or another it probably won't be long. Then perhaps someone can get in there and try to turn things around and get back on track the way Jobs once did. Sure stock will take a hit but this type of corporate behavior is unconscionable and if it is not curtailed will be the end of Apple.
Apple has been on a good ride for a while now, and we all know good rides have to come to an end.
Plus I'm kinda getting sick of these emails from whoever is responding in his name. It serves no purpose other than getting people pissed off.
I never thought I would say this but I cant wait till this guy is gone. He is no longer doing this company any good, there's no inovation, blatant resistance to technology people want and the worst thing imaginable, a culture of deceit as evidenced by the introduction of it's recent design flawed product.
So personally I think it's time for Steve to go. Retire man, your not doing this company any good now! Actually probably more harm than good at this point.
One way or another it probably won't be long. Then perhaps someone can get in there and try to turn things around and get back on track the way Jobs once did. Sure stock will take a hit but this type of corporate behavior is unconscionable and if it is not curtailed will be the end of Apple.
Apple has been on a good ride for a while now, and we all know good rides have to come to an end.
Plus I'm kinda getting sick of these emails from whoever is responding in his name. It serves no purpose other than getting people pissed off.
HEY Apple this is not the same as the Battle with Flash-
Supporting Blu-Ray is all on you. And your idiots for not supporting it yet
Supporting Blu-Ray is all on you. And your idiots for not supporting it yet
Collecting movies and music is still collecting, whether it's on a physical or digital shelf.
You're slowly falling into that notion that different is bad just as I was told when I was younger - the beginning of the digital age when CDs were coming into fruition and vinyl had all but disappeared from music stores. No vinyl album covers to prop up while you listen to the record with big full color artwork.
Do you remember driving to the record store to pick and choose from their selection and that's all you got? No iTunes, internet was ONLY dial-up if you could afford it, no file/music sharing. You learned about new music from friends and other people you talked to.
BTW I'm 29 as well and now things are different.
I imported most of my CDs years ago at 192 kps. Most of my cds have disappeared so I can't reimport them.
I hated napster as well. The worst was the fact a song download could be resumed by different hosts, resulting in variable bit rates.
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