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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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Well I'm not surprised. But I think its about time Apple adopts blu ray player/burner. Its not too expensive, you can get one for about $100(CAD). And I know a lot people no longer rent movies, but people still burn stuff to dvd's. If Apple did adopt blu ray, then we could burn up to 25GB into a recordable blu ray disk.. And anyway no loss, you could still burn a regular dvd using a blu ray burner..
 
MacFly123 said:
Apple's new data center + New Apple TV rumored to be like iPhone running iOS and the App Store with new remote app and iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad connectivity + Recent rumor of Apple making a HUGE push into the TV sector + These comments by Steve = Pretty clear to me! :D

I haven't gotten a Bluray player and I don't care to, BUT I DO want 1080p on iTunes and iTunes Extras on all the movies. It seems the iTunes Extras have been waining :( I hope we get the new Apple TV this year!!! :eek:
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Interesting. I respect that and accept it (chosing iTunes HD over Blu-ray). :) But if only Steve could see putting in a cheap to buy and install Blu-ray drive could mean ME buying a new MacBook or iMac w/ it and an HDMI-out so I could hook it up to a 55" TV (or w/e size), thus making avoid buying a stand alone Blu-ray player at the cost of $200 to $350 (depending if I want apps and widgets and wifi built into it).
 
Steve is a bag of hurt.

Honestly this is understandable. Apple plans to abandon the Mac platform. Apple lost the PC OS war along time ago and Jobs knew this for the past 13+ years.

Apple looking to dominate the next major OS outside of PCs as we know then today.

Miss you Amiga!
 
Anuba said:
Someone once said to director Ridley Scott "Blade Runner was amazing, it was so ahead of its time!" to which Ridley responded "well, that's every bit as bad as being behind the times", in reference to the fact that Blade Runner bombed at the box office.

I appreciate the fact that Apple has always tried to be a little ahead of its time with things like dropping floppies, SCSI, 9-pin serial, 25-pin parallel and such. That's all good. But on this particular issue it appears Steve has strayed so far into the future he's not leading the way, since whoever was behind him can no longer see him. How about enjoying the now, Steve? Because it will be years before the whole world (Apple is a global company, right?) will have access to the bandwidth required for downloading Blu-ray quality movies in a jiffy.

Here in Sweden we're spoiled with widely available 100 Mbit fiberLAN, 25-60 Mbit DSL and 100 Mbit cable, and 1000 Mbit fiberLAN is being rolled out in a few major cities, so personally I could skip Blu-ray and move right along to downloads, but there are still billions of people out there on really crappy broadband connections – and this appears particularly true of Steve's own country. I work for a software company on and off, and man do Americans complain about large downloads. "Ugh! Did ya have to make it a whopping 1 GB? That's gonna take me all night!" Loads of them are on 1/2/5/10 Mbit, some even on 0.5. And then there's a lot of folks out there who have dropped wired broadband in favor of 3G (very prematurely, if you ask me)... and those guys won't be able to download Blu-ray quality movies en masse in any way resembling "convenient" for at least another 5 years, especially now that lots of carriers around the world have started capping their previously "unlimited" plans. AT&T... O2... Telia... it's a global trend.

Sorry Steve, living 1-2 years ahead of time is great and all but you're 5 years ahead on this one. That only creates a vacuum where you leave the customers twiddling their thumbs for years while technology catches up with your vision.
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I had 768 kbps at home 5 years ago and I still have it today. :eek:
 
sdornan said:
The people defending Apple's decision to limit your choices baffle me.



Exactly, I carry around my 50" TV, 5.1 speaker system, and game consoles with me all the time.
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It baffles me as well. I guess all these people who say iTunes 720p and other down loadable media are somewhat blind (literally). The difference between download media and a blu-ray 1080p disc is mind melding. Where have you all been the past 5 years? HD is where it's at. 720p is not true HD despite what Apple wants you to think. 1080p is TRUE HD. You might want to try it sometime.

Apple's persistent defiance in giving the customer a great experience and what they want is horrible. Yet, many of you sit there and take it. Lol. It's truly amazing. I am sure if Steve said blu-ray is the future, you all would be right there waving the flag and talking about how blu-ray is AWESOME!

Anyways - I have around 250 blu-ray movies. Physical media in the sense of cd/dvd for music and data is somewhat ancient now. However, physical media for movies still reigns supreme. It's the best format for the best picture and sound. No download will ever touch it. Lastly, not sure about all of you, but I can rest assured knowing that when my computer crashes - I don't loose my entire movie collection. :)

I would also like to add that blu-ray movies (most) come with Digital Copies for my iPhone. Free. They also come with the blu-ray movie and a dvd copy as well. Some do not, most do.

Some of you need to step out of that Apple bubble. There is a whole other world out there :D
 
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CalebF said:
Interesting. I respect that and accept it (choosing iTunes HD over Blu-ray). :) But if only Steve could see putting in a cheap to buy and install Blu-ray drive could mean ME buying a new MacBook or iMac w/ it and an HDMI-out so I could hook it up to a 55" TV (or w/e size), thus making avoid buying a stand alone Blu-ray player at the cost of $200 to $350 (depending if I want apps and widgets and wifi built into it).
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hhh
 
ilp said:
I love it. Steve just doesn't care anymore and he says what he really thinks. You can argue whether he's right, but you have to respect the lack of beating around the bush.
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Steve is telling you what he wants you to believe. An honest answer from steve would be: "We want you to purchase/rent your media on the itunes store where we get a cut, and not on blu-ray disks where we do not."
 
ilp said:
I love it. Steve just doesn't care anymore and he says what he really thinks. You can argue whether he's right, but you have to respect the lack of beating around the bush.
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Yup.

I dare anyone to email the CEO of Sony, Motorola, Nokia, Nintendo, Dell, etc.. and get a response.

Notice I didn't say you have to like the response.

After all, Apple is now the largest tech company in the world* (*based on market cap)
 
I disagree with Mr Jobs, mostly because the cost to benefit ratio of adding Blu ray is low. Essentially it would be adding the drive and some simple software. I don't imagine its overly difficult, and would give people an option to watch BR movies and perform backups.

However, his point of view is not totally wrong. I own blu rays, and I have no desire to watch them on my laptop. Nor do I want to watch DVDs on my mac.I never take discs with me, and you cant REALLY enjoy a BR on a small screen. So IF I had a BR drive, would I really use it? Well not much...I dont use my drive much as it is. I usually watch media from ripped DVDs, movie files that come with the BR, or hulu youtube. And honestly, at the price point ($20-$25 per disc) vs the popularity of netflix and itunes rentals at a few dollars, its just easier to pay less to stream or download. What I am trying to say is not having Blu-ray generally does not compromise what movies I can watch, just how I watch them..and discs are not the most convenient way.

While I am bummed I wont have BR on my macs, it doesn't affect my movie watching habits. But it would be nice to be able to watch a BR on the go in the rare occasions I want to.

And if I was someone that primarily watched movies on my computer (I was once)...well I wouldnt be buying 20 dollar 1080p 6.1 movies to watch on a 15-27 inch screen with 2.1 sound in my bed/desk. I would just stream.
 
Yamcha said:
Well I'm not surprised. But I think its about time Apple adopts blu ray player/burner. Its not too expensive, you can get one for about $100(CAD).
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Right, but Macs need slot-loading drives (otherwise all Mac models would have to undergo extensive redesign), and slot-loading Blu-ray is still expensive as ****.

That's one of the items in the so-called bag of hurt.

1) Slot-loading Blu-ray = expensive
2) You have to pay a license fee (Steve only wants to charge fees, he doesn't want to pay them)
3) Apple wants to push iTunes movies
 
I love it. Apple charges a premium for their systems and the best you can get is a DVD drive. Lol.

Steve is off is rocker this week. Whatever he's on, I'll take 4! :rolleyes:
 
Anuba said:
Right, but Macs need slot-loading drives (otherwise all Mac models would have to undergo extensive redesign), and slot-loading Blu-ray is still expensive as ****.

That's one of the items in the so-called bag of hurt.

1) Slot-loading Blu-ray = expensive
2) You have to pay a license fee (Steve only wants to charge fees, he doesn't want to pay them)
3) Apple wants to push iTunes movies
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I wonder how how much Microsoft gets from all that Exchange support.
 
Why would anyone want a hard copy? To me, it's like having a bank account. Would you rather have your employer pay you in hard cold cash or wire it automatically to your bank account? For personal purposes, hard copies of movies don't make sense. Why have piles of DVDs or Blu-Ray discs when you can just store them on an external HD? Discs take up space and I doubt you watch them very often. Apple should remove the SuperDrive all together from the MacBook/Pro and sell an external drive. Laptops will be thinner and small because of the extra space. Most of my friends don't have Blu-Ray players anywhere, computer or living room. You don't need 720P/1080P to have enjoy a good movie. It helps the experience but the cost is just too high.

Performing backups on Blu-Ray discs is simply a bad idea. You can do it with Time Machine and it's so much easier than backing up on Blu-ray discs. Most consumers don't even backup their data anyway. For the ones that do, Time Machine is easier and more intuitive than a Blu-Ray disc not to mention cost effective. I have to keep buying discs or buy an external hard drive and be done with it.
 
Steve and my grandmother have a lot in common. They're both scared of new technology.

Interestingly in 1950 she designed a cellphone that couldn't make calls either.
 
Steve is losing touch. He's more concerned about paying licensing fees, then satisfying customers.

And he is really losing it if he thinks I will pay $20 for an HD download, that I can't resale, and is only 4GB. I would much rather buy a $20-25 Blu-ray and be able to resale it, not to mention the AV is much better because the blu-ray is 25GB+.

No DLNA, no Blu-ray, doesn't include a remote with Macbook's anymore, no HDMI(until the recent Mac Mini), proprietary mini DisplayPort without audio(until recently), closed ecosystem, and to top it all off, he wants me give him another $30 for a stupid case just so my phone will work, that is, if I ever receive it.

Okay, that last bit doesn't exactly fit, but I'm getting annoyed.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Why would anyone want a hard copy? To me, it's like having a bank account. Would you rather have your employer pay you in hard cold cash or wire it automatically to your bank account? For personal purposes, hard copies of movies don't make sense. Why have piles of DVDs or Blu-Ray discs when you can just store them on an external HD? Discs take up space and I doubt you watch them very often. Apple should remove the SuperDrive all together from the MacBook/Pro and sell an external drive. Laptops will be thinner and small because of the extra space. Most of my friends don't have Blu-Ray players anywhere, computer or living room. You don't need 720P/1080P to have enjoy a good movie. It helps the experience but the cost is just too high.
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Wrong on so many levels.

1 - What happens when your cherished HD's crash? Before you even say raid, remember joe 6 pack barely knows what a hard drive is :)

2 - You do realize a blu-ray disc is 50 gigs right? Most movies are 35-50 gigs each. How many hard drives do you need again now?

3 - You obviously have NEVER enjoyed an HD movie have you? If you have, you wouldn't be saying such things.

Please - research before you speak. :rolleyes:
 
While I don't like it, I think in the long run Steve is right. I say that as one that has my entire DVD and Blu-ray collection converted to a digital format stored on a massive media server. I couldn't imagine ever going back to changing out discs and instead have my entire collection at the push of a button.
 
First it was a "bag of hurt", due to licensing. But everyone knew he was talking out of his ass, the real reason was he wanted to force people into downloads and rentals from iTunes.

And now after years of denying Mac users Blu-ray he finally comes out and says the truth - he wants everything to be sold, rented, downloaded and stored online.
 
How about giving us a choice?

Apple should give it's customers a choice.

I don't care what Apple thinks about blu-ray, I can make my own mind on blu-ray, thank you very much.
 
I hate optical discs and can't wait for Blu-ray. Seriously. Downloadable movies are superior in almost every way.
 
sdornan said:
The people defending Apple's decision to limit your choices baffle me.



Exactly, I carry around my 50" TV, 5.1 speaker system, and game consoles with me all the time.
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Nice Sarcasm, But i rarely watch movies at home anymore. I'm always out somewhere so i to have movies portable. I watch more movies on my iPhone and iPad than i ever have at home.

Now it may not work for you. But it works for me and if your a fan of blu-ray then find a product that fits your need. We have choice in america the same way you have the choice to watch Blu-ray. Steve has the right to decide what apple does and what apple doesnt.
 
Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

The thing here is that he's only interested in Apple's Revenue Stream, he won't sell Apple Lossless Downloads because they will take too long and he's decided that the World does not need them, and, he won't add BluRay to his Computers because he's offering an alternative and again won't go for the fully Hi-Rez option, he compromises on both counts, we get screwed, and he makes the money...

BluRay is not just about the Picture Quality, it's also about Non Compressed Audio...
 
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