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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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No 9.5mm hardware and Apple will never make a laptop thick enough to support a 12.7mm slot load.
Very good point. I use closed captioning all the time. I had no idea these downloadable shows don't have CC. Doesn't the ADA require CC? Just another reason to avoid the movies on itunes. I tried renting one but had to travel for business only to find the rental copy only works on the system it is rented on.
Downloadable movies are less than useless to me.
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A big problem is most Internet companies have caps on bandwidth and while transmission rates are getting faster data caps are getting more strict...good luck downloading a 25gigabyte movie as a stream with today's bandwidth limits. It will be the future i am sure but streaming 3d content especially will overwhelm the current inernet system
A big problem is most Internet companies have caps on bandwidth and while transmission rates are getting faster data caps are getting more strict...good luck downloading a 25gigabyte movie as a stream with today's bandwidth limits. It will be the future i am sure but streaming 3d content especially will overwhelm the current inernet system
Dumb!
Another pissing war from Jobs - no two button mouse, no blu-ray, no flash
What happened to the year of hd, he promised several years ago?
And him to promote the myths that 720p is sufficient and the idea that downloads will out-due blu-ray sales --
Again, in only two months this year - Jan and Feb, more blu-rays were sold than all downloads (rentals and purchases) than all of 2009. Plus, blu-ray sales have actually increased since then.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb Chicken Little.
I can't stand his almighty dictatorship.
Another pissing war from Jobs - no two button mouse, no blu-ray, no flash
What happened to the year of hd, he promised several years ago?
And him to promote the myths that 720p is sufficient and the idea that downloads will out-due blu-ray sales --
Again, in only two months this year - Jan and Feb, more blu-rays were sold than all downloads (rentals and purchases) than all of 2009. Plus, blu-ray sales have actually increased since then.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb Chicken Little.
I can't stand his almighty dictatorship.
Steve Jobs likes to tout that "the adoption rate hasn't been that great" (even though it has), but what's dumb is that by not even making it an option as a BTO choice, he's stifling the very adoption rate he's claiming sucks. If every Mac sold in the last 3 years had a Blu-ray drive, you can bet more people would be aware of/using it. The PS3 alone catapulted Blu-ray numbers to millions of users. I don't think it's the only answer... obviously a Blu-ray disc does no good for an iPhone or even iPad. But to write it off completely shows nothing but selfish motives and bad taste.
So, it's purely a hardware limitation? If so, then some vendor could conceivably come up with something. I'd gladly fork over my money to that vendor.
People aren't smart enough to understand...
The general public does not know, understand, or even care about the difference between 720 and 1080. They here HD, and its good enough for them. Its not about having the best, its about appearing to have the best. There is a reason so many people by the 50" Sanyo from Walmart, they want to say they have a HD TV.
Steve has decided to reach the lowest common denominator, I understand, its great for business, it makes Apple alot of money. I cannot, and do not blame him for it. That said, when Apple made their come back, it was about setting trends, now they have decided to simply to mass produce. Its about getting as many people to have the ability to buy from Itunes as possible. And, further, we as a society are more and more giving in to DRM. We do not buy things to own, we buy licenses to use products, $20 for movie that I can only watch on 5 devices is bordering on larceny. Steve knows this, he doesn't want me to loan a Blu-Ray to a friend, he wants my friend to go and rent/buy it himself (I know this isn't just Steve, its both the MPAA, and RIAA, but it just sucks, and we are letting them do it). We need to vote with our wallets, but we are like drug addicts, we keep coming back (I am just as guilty as anyone).
A previous post said Steve was to far in the future on this one, and I agree, I live in an area where Internet options are limited and bandwidth is small. I cannot download an HD movie quickly, I have to plan in the morning what I want to watch and start downloading it while I am at work, that way it will be ready for me at night. Not to mention, $5 to rent seems high. With netflix if I watch 8 or 10 Blu-Rays a month at my $20 subscription fee it only costs $2, and I can keep it for as long as I want.
Steve simply comes off greedy, in 5, 10 years, yea, I'm sure there will be no physical media, but for right now, there is no reason to offer Blu-Ray.
The general public does not know, understand, or even care about the difference between 720 and 1080. They here HD, and its good enough for them. Its not about having the best, its about appearing to have the best. There is a reason so many people by the 50" Sanyo from Walmart, they want to say they have a HD TV.
Steve has decided to reach the lowest common denominator, I understand, its great for business, it makes Apple alot of money. I cannot, and do not blame him for it. That said, when Apple made their come back, it was about setting trends, now they have decided to simply to mass produce. Its about getting as many people to have the ability to buy from Itunes as possible. And, further, we as a society are more and more giving in to DRM. We do not buy things to own, we buy licenses to use products, $20 for movie that I can only watch on 5 devices is bordering on larceny. Steve knows this, he doesn't want me to loan a Blu-Ray to a friend, he wants my friend to go and rent/buy it himself (I know this isn't just Steve, its both the MPAA, and RIAA, but it just sucks, and we are letting them do it). We need to vote with our wallets, but we are like drug addicts, we keep coming back (I am just as guilty as anyone).
A previous post said Steve was to far in the future on this one, and I agree, I live in an area where Internet options are limited and bandwidth is small. I cannot download an HD movie quickly, I have to plan in the morning what I want to watch and start downloading it while I am at work, that way it will be ready for me at night. Not to mention, $5 to rent seems high. With netflix if I watch 8 or 10 Blu-Rays a month at my $20 subscription fee it only costs $2, and I can keep it for as long as I want.
Steve simply comes off greedy, in 5, 10 years, yea, I'm sure there will be no physical media, but for right now, there is no reason to offer Blu-Ray.
iTunes Store, and even Vimeo, YouTube, et al. all offer content that is much higher than DVD resolution. What year do you think this is?
I disagree - at the distance most people sit from their TV, and given the size of that TV, people can't distinguish between 720p and 1080i (or p), nor, I believe between the high bit rate of local content and lower bit rate of streamed content. There is a limit to that, of course - hulu looks horrid compared to iTunes - but iTunes looks really, really good. Again, given the size of the screen and the distance from it.
ITunes @ 720p fits most people's needs nicely. I just wish you could rent TV, as I hate to keep buying all this TV video.
BluRay coming on Verizon iPhone
I hear that Apple is planning on including BluRay to the Verizon iPhone in early 2011.
For all we know Apple is working on a super compression which can shrink a 50GB 1080P movie down to 1GB without losing any quality.
That's the direction that we need to be going.
People need to start thinking out of the box. The majority of us are using computers with more CPU power than we really need (or even thought possible 10 years ago), why not put it to use.
People keep talking about the slow bandwidth, but things are getting faster. It was only a few years ago, when you would be talking to someone on the phone and they would send you and email and you would have to wait and wait for it to come. Today it's almost instantaneous. Or downloading an album from iTune, remember how long that used to take and now it's about 1 minute. So things are getting faster, technology is improving.
One thing Steve said a few years ago, which I didn't agree with, he said people tend to listen to their favorite songs over and over, but TV and movies they don't.
I have a couple 100 DVDs, all ripped to my Apple TV, and you know what I never watch them. However, I do find myself watching them when they come on cable (even though I have them online). And I believe that Steve was right, the "average" consumer is just like this.
Today if you gave someone the choice between a BluRay player with Surround Sound setup or an iPad, how many of us would pick the iPad? I know I would.
I hear that Apple is planning on including BluRay to the Verizon iPhone in early 2011.
For all we know Apple is working on a super compression which can shrink a 50GB 1080P movie down to 1GB without losing any quality.
That's the direction that we need to be going.
People need to start thinking out of the box. The majority of us are using computers with more CPU power than we really need (or even thought possible 10 years ago), why not put it to use.
People keep talking about the slow bandwidth, but things are getting faster. It was only a few years ago, when you would be talking to someone on the phone and they would send you and email and you would have to wait and wait for it to come. Today it's almost instantaneous. Or downloading an album from iTune, remember how long that used to take and now it's about 1 minute. So things are getting faster, technology is improving.
One thing Steve said a few years ago, which I didn't agree with, he said people tend to listen to their favorite songs over and over, but TV and movies they don't.
I have a couple 100 DVDs, all ripped to my Apple TV, and you know what I never watch them. However, I do find myself watching them when they come on cable (even though I have them online). And I believe that Steve was right, the "average" consumer is just like this.
Today if you gave someone the choice between a BluRay player with Surround Sound setup or an iPad, how many of us would pick the iPad? I know I would.
I don't understand what you're arguing. You're saying that because some kids watch Twilight, or whatever it is, on their iPod that everyone is going to start watching movies on a 3.5in screen instead of a 50in or 60in TV?
It sounds like you're arguing that iPhones/iPods are going to replace the television, which makes no sense.
I'm 23 and I've never watched a movie on my iPhone, if it makes a difference.
"If you want X, don't buy a (Mac, iPhone, etc)." I hear this line repeated over and over.
And you know what? It's a big part of the reason why I, someone who used to be a die hard Mac user, no longer own one. (Well that's not entirely true - I still have to sell my MBP - but you get my drift).
If physical copies of movies are preferred, couldn't non-rewritable 16GB USB 3.0 flash drives be an alternative to Blu-ray disks? 4 years from now, 16GB flash drives will be very cheap to manufacture in large quantities, and won't cost $30 to buy. (A little off topic, but it's an interesting discussion)
I agree with you there. iTunes 720p beats the crap out of even the best DVDs.
But it still doesn't hold a candle to Blu-ray.
Here's a picture comparing 480p, 720p, and 1080p.
http://plastik.hu/media/irobot-4fele.jpg
Most people would say that it depends on your viewing distance, and I agree.
However, I'm the kind of guy who sits 3' from his 40" screen. I sure as heck can tell the difference between iTunes 720p and a good Blu-ray.
The only times 1080p doesn't matter are the following.
A. You sit REALLY far back from your screen
or
B. The content is poor to begin with - a.k.a. some TV shows/movies shot on 16mm (Burn Notice, Chuck).
Honestly my biggest fight against download only media is the inability to buy it used. Seriously i don't mind buying a Blu-ray from amazon that cost 4$ + 3$ shipping that means i spent 7$ on a movie that I like instead of paying 15$ upwards on a digital only movie. Value doesn't change on digital download as fast as psychical media does the same goes for games and books I save hundreds by purchasing a book or game that has been used all of once. That is one key reason the psp go failed.
Maybe I am the minority here, but I just bought a new 46" Sharp Aquos Quattron 1080p/24p 120Hz and the last thing I want to feed it is low bitrate fake 720p HD downloads. Downloads need to come a long way to match the current HDTV performance.
Blu-ray has many years of life remaining as TV's become more and more advanced. Downloads might be fine for an old SDTV or even a very low end 720p 60hz TV but not for the current crop of higher end, larger TV's.
Blu-ray has many years of life remaining as TV's become more and more advanced. Downloads might be fine for an old SDTV or even a very low end 720p 60hz TV but not for the current crop of higher end, larger TV's.
I'm torn on this one.
On one hand, Jobs is absolutely right in that physical media will soon be a thing of the past.
On the other hand, it seems Apple has a little too much power in being able to dictate which technologies they deem appropriate and which they don't (Flash, Blu-Ray, etc.)
On one hand, Jobs is absolutely right in that physical media will soon be a thing of the past.
On the other hand, it seems Apple has a little too much power in being able to dictate which technologies they deem appropriate and which they don't (Flash, Blu-Ray, etc.)
Nope, the ADA does not cover CC. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 does. And unfortunately, that only covers media on televisions and physical media. Streaming television and film over the internet was inconceivable back then so it was not included.
We are working on introducing a new bill into both the senate (S 3404) and the House (HR 3101) to introduce a law requiring CC on internet media that was originally on television or film (in other words, mommies uploading movies of their dog on YouTube need not worry).
http://captionaction2.blogspot.com/
This is exactly why I have not bought or rented a movie or TV show on iTunes, even though they do have a paltry selection of movies that are captioned (and no TV shows at all).
And...
And sound quality....and breadth of content (included DVD and portable device versions)....and language options.....and stability of play....and connection independence....and security from failure....
Well, you get the message.
And sound quality....and breadth of content (included DVD and portable device versions)....and language options.....and stability of play....and connection independence....and security from failure....
Well, you get the message.
Steve is wrong this time
In Steve-like brevity...
Steve is wrong. People want an Apple PVR. People want archive ability for video and data. They want to be off the Internet more than you think. People want to play the media in non-apple non-connected appliances.
In Steve-like brevity...
Steve is wrong. People want an Apple PVR. People want archive ability for video and data. They want to be off the Internet more than you think. People want to play the media in non-apple non-connected appliances.
I've thought about that myself. A small package with a media card containing the movie, soundtrack and other extras.
Many DVDs and Blu-rays come with digital copies that you activate online to import into itunes or other software.
And for those without computers, a small device with card reader could be produced with HDMI and digital audio outputs.
That's a common misconception that is completely untrue. Obviously there are limits and it's based upon screen size and viewing distance, but it's not the same for everyone. It's also not just resolution that's at play here - it's compression, too - and iTunes can't hold a candle to Blu-ray in that regard.
If you think 720p widescreen movies look great on your iPad (which is neither widescreen nor 720p), then fantastic. For the rest of us, iTunes is an absolutely lousy alternative to Blu-ray.
The future
I'm gonna skip blu-ray and downloads, because in the future I'll be able to stream movies to my brain.
I'm gonna skip blu-ray and downloads, because in the future I'll be able to stream movies to my brain.
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