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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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sdornan said:
I don't understand what you're arguing. You're saying that because some kids watch Twilight, or whatever it is, on their iPod that everyone is going to start watching movies on a 3.5in screen instead of a 50in or 60in TV?

It sounds like you're arguing that iPhones/iPods are going to replace the television, which makes no sense.

I'm 23 and I've never watched a movie on my iPhone, if it makes a difference.
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What i'm saying is that people are not going to want physical media one day and BTW my nephew is a Dustin hoffman and Humprey bogart fan. Not every teenager is a slave to trends :rolleyes:

This whole argument reminds of how old people use to argue about Radio and how nothing would replace it and stuff like that.
 
Azmordean said:
"If you want X, don't buy a (Mac, iPhone, etc)." I hear this line repeated over and over.

And you know what? It's a big part of the reason why I, someone who used to be a die hard Mac user, no longer own one. (Well that's not entirely true - I still have to sell my MBP - but you get my drift).
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Great and it's all about choice. Henry Ford said you could have a model T in any color as long as it was black. He was one of the most successful business people in history.
 
All been discussed before....

Beta vs. VHS (Winner)
LaserDisc vs. DVD (Winner)
HD DVD vs. Blu-ray (Winner)

Now:

Discs vs. Downloads

The studios LOVE downloads - no physical copies to make and DRM (hence EVERYONE must buy a copy - no buying used or trading-in).

Steve got rid of the Floppy Disc (remember?).

It's been rumored the next thing to go is the Optical Drive.

The "server" version of the Mini and the MacBook Air is merely a prelude...

Same for us Console Gamers - Sony is looking into it (PSP Go) and Nintendo (Internet Capable DS). Rumors are the next-gen consoles will be disc-less.

Enjoy...
 
This is why the computer I am replying to this thread on is not manufactured by Apple. Mr. Job's arrogance is why I will not likely be purchasing my next computer from Apple.:cool:
 
Customers deserve choice.

Ummm, because customers want it?.... Compare the dark knight master dts on blue ray to 720p Dolby. Seriously? Big difference. Retina display on new iPhone is upgraded from the old phone? Really. Why? Because it's higher definition? Really? We want to watch our home movies in the best format possible too Steve. Stop being a technology Nazi and give customers choice.
 
It seems quite trivial to have the Mac support Blu-Ray - even as an upgradable option for those that really want it - and I am sure it would be profitable for them.

As for me, I have no need nor desire for Blu-Ray video on any computing device as that is reserved for my home theatre. And as far as data storage, I definitely prefer to not use optical media of any kind.
 
The big picture here though is "distribution" of media.

You think cable companies, satellite TV companies, and phone companies care about Blu Ray either? The future of digital media is streaming, buying/renting on demand, and/or media services with a monthly fee.

You don't have to like it, but in my estimation, this is where Steve Jobs see's the future and he's betting heavily on it.

Sorry everyone, but there is no going back. The days of racks of CD's and DVD's on both sides of your TV are gone.
 
Internet Bandwidth

Does anyone know why Apple won't offer 1080p now? I suspect it is going to be because Steve is going to say that people do not have the internet capabilities to download such a large file.

It seems like Steve is working both sides of the room here.

I could be wrong, he may have given another reason, I honestly have no idea.
 
I dislike shooting HD video on my camcorder (which, btw, only has a FireWire output, Steve), editing full-res HD with Final Cut or iMovie, and then having no easy way to watch it on my large plasma television.

And there's no way to share it with others unless I down convert to SD and burn a DVD, or upload the footage to a website (Youtube, Vimeo) that will compress the hell out of it.

If I only shot with a FlipVideo those options would be okay, but I have a fairly nice camcorder (Canon HV30), and I'd like to take full advantage of it.
 
I'd like to share home movies at the same quality they come out of my HD camera, but whether there is enough of a market for that I have no idea.
 
JediZenMaster said:
What i'm saying is that people are not going to want physical media one day and BTW my nephew is a Dustin hoffman and Humprey bogart fan. Not every teenager is a slave to trends :rolleyes:
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Very true, but the compression and lower PQ of iTunes 720p isn't a good replacement for Blu-rays.

I agree physical media will probably go away in the future, but HD downloads will have to look a hell of a lot better than they do now.
In the meantime, Steve needs to roll with the current technology.
 
JediZenMaster said:
Great and it's all about choice. Henry Ford said you could have a model T in any color as long as it was black. He was one of the most successful business people in history.
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This is a great quote btw, and so true. Take that quote and apply is to Apple's closed system, and you can see (so long as they can pull it off) why they have become so successful.
 
People are fooling themselves if they think physical media is ending soon, it will be 10 years minimum before people choose digital over physical. The Internet isn't good enough for most people in the world, not only that but more providers are starting to put caps on plans so it will be much harder, longer and more costly to download true HD via iTunes or whatever (not only do you have to buy it, but you need to buy an Internet connection and if you go over your limit your ****ed) than simply buying a blu Ray disc and playing it in an instant. Plus it takes ages to download HD video via iTunes, I could go the shops, pick up a blu Ray movie, go home, make the tea and the iTunes movie will only be 30% complete.
 
Jasonmis said:
Ummm, because customers want it?.... Compare the dark knight master dts on blue ray to 720p Dolby. Seriously? Big difference. Retina display on new iPhone is upgraded from the old phone? Really. Why? Because it's higher definition? Really? We want to watch our home movies in the best format possible too Steve. Stop being a technology Nazi and give customers choice.
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exactly - well put - choice is important to end users.

even though i could not care less about blu-ray on mac, many others do and they deserve the right to have that option. plus, how hard could it be for a company that creates "magical" products to simply and affordably add blu-ray as an option?
 
Anyone who supports downloads over blu-ray disc has not actually watched a blu-ray disc.

Go watch Avatar, The Dark Knight, or Lord of the Rings on blu-ray disc.

What you think of those films is a matter of personal taste.

But one thing can't be disputed, and that is the video quality.

Avatar is simply stunning. The video bitrate never drops below 25Mbps, peaks at over 40Mbps, and has lossless audio. It's using the same H.264 codec as Apple's "HD" downloads. There is no way downloads will be able to match that sort of quality any time soon because bandwidth is just not there.
 
sdornan said:
Let's keep the discussion focused on things that are currently feasibly possible.
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Obviously you never seen phones made in Korea and Japan, That is feasible. It's stupid to think a company is going to cave to demands and give a segment of users every single thing they want.

You have choice go with company X or Company Y. It may not be what you want to hear but it's the way it is. Reality bites sometimes but what can you do?

Create your own hardware company and try to convince steve to give you a license to make Clone hardware short of that your S**T out of luck and complaining on Mac rumors won't make steve or anyone add blu-ray for you.
 
Jasonmis said:
Ummm, because customers want it?.... Compare the dark knight master dts on blue ray to 720p Dolby. Seriously? Big difference. Retina display on new iPhone is upgraded from the old phone? Really. Why? Because it's higher definition? Really? We want to watch our home movies in the best format possible too Steve. Stop being a technology Nazi and give customers choice.
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I used to disagree, but now I agree. Blu-Ray movies have the ability for better picture quality (1080P) and better surround sound (7.1+). While 720P isn't terrible, through iTunes it does not compare to Blu-Ray entertainment.

I have a Blu-Ray drive on my Mac Pro. On the OS X side it allows for hard data backups between 25-50 GB's, a great way to store photography library that are hundreds of GB's each for photographers, leaving more hard drive space and not filling up my "Time Machine" hard drive, and allows me to give some of my clients' their works. I use Windows in Bootcamp to watch Blu-Ray movies. Apple needs to stop dictating what it supports. If I buy a Blu-Ray drive into my expandable Mac Pro work station, it is ludicrous that Apple will not work with the studios nor allow DRM Blu-Ray movies to play on OS X.

C'mon Steve "don't hold it that way" Jobs, get over yourself. I'm growing tired of the focus on iOS and iDevices while pissing on OS X (and if Apple changes OS X to iOS I will have lost all faith). Leaving Cinema Displays 7 YEARS in the dust, a lack of "Pro" updates, Apple seems more interested in making money off iTunes consumption than creative production. Gone are the days when creatives and professionals used work stations. Heck, even Annie Leibovitz is doing HP ads now, unheard of. :mad:
 
I never got the need for Blu Ray on macs besides Burning backing etc imo I would rather watch a Blu Ray movie on a 40+" tv rather than having a 23 inch etc besides a majority of Blu Ray movies now come with a digital Copy or DVD version.
 
If you want Blu-ray on your Mac then just buy a external drive. Screw what everyone else has to say.

A great medium for those large backup needs, and great for entertainment.
 
stevensr123 said:
People are fooling themselves if they think physical media is ending soon, it will be 10 years minimum before people choose digital over physical.
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Really? Tell that to Blockbuster and other video rental chains. Blockbuster sat on its hands and like other companies underestimated how people would want to stream and download. They pretty much bet that itunes wasn't a contender and they loss that bet and will pay dearly for it by the end of their company.

Fastforward to the present - Blockbuster is pretty much dead and redbox caters to a niche market and will eventually be neutered by netflix.
 
Would be nice to see blu-ray Macs but it's hardly a deal-breaker.

In the end, the only time I'm going to get value out of 1080P is on a very large TV with surround sound. I can easily get a blu-ray player or a PS3 to put under the TV. What's more, I can easily connect an external disk to that player and play my iMovie-edited home movies on there too.

I love my Mac, but not everything has to be Apple.
 
SirHaakon said:
That's a common misconception that is completely untrue. Obviously there are limits and it's based upon screen size and viewing distance, but it's not the same for everyone. It's also not just resolution that's at play here - it's compression, too - and iTunes can't hold a candle to Blu-ray in that regard.
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Exactly. Just like a digital camera, resolution is only part of the picture. When it comes to video, color quality and bit rate also play a huge part in the overall picture quality especially on a larger, higher end HDTV. iTunes downloads are highly compressed and a lot of picture information is stripped out of the file in order to make it small enough to be downloadable. Blu-ray is in a completely different league when it comes to "overall" picture and audio quality. If Apple wants to match Blu-ray quality be prepared to download 25-50GB files.
 
Everyone who said Steve Jobs was arrogant about his remarks to the iphone 4 antenna issue which I vehemently disagreed with I take it back.

Steve is just DEAD WRONG.

720p video is NOT 1080p HD quality. Blu-ray looks and sounds vastly superior with uncompressed DTS TrueHD audio. I wouldn't want to store my video library online. I want to hold my media in my hand and know that it is MINE, that I paid for the license to OWN it in my home. I don't want the studios or Apple guarding my media for me and letting me play it from their servers when I want to watch it. Digital distribution is the way of the future but it doesn't have the bandwidth or the architecture in place yet to be able to deliver uncompressed video and audio quality that videophiles expect and demand. Apple is catering to the average Joe who doesn't know the difference between s*** and shinola.

Sorry Steve but this time your arrogance is just plain ignorance on your part. I love Apple and have supported you for decades but you have disappointed me. :mad:
 
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