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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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This afternoon I purchased Logic Studio Pro. It comes on 9 (!) DVDs and I'm currently on DVD #1 with 8 more to go ("Install time remaining: About 2 hours and 27 minutes"). This is the stupidest, most backwards installation procedure I've experienced since installing adventure games in the early 90's (they used to come on a dozen floppies).

As I'm sitting here pondering the senseless waste of time and plastic (this would've fit on one or two Blu-ray discs), I'm thinking... where's your fancy download-centric future now, Steve? A few months ago you painted Adobe as a dinosaur on the verge of extinction and basically told them to get with the program, but Adobe has been selling downloadable versions of their software for years. I haven't bought Creative Suite in a box since 2006. Apple, on the other hands, offers almost nothing in that department. You can download QT, Safari and iTunes, and I think you can get a trial version of iWork and buy a serial number later, but that's it. Logic Studio, Final Cut Studio, it's all DVD-only. And we all know that Apple isn't going to put 50 GB packages up for download anytime soon. In the meantime, how about that Blu-ray option now?
 
If that software barely fits in 1 dual-layer BD-ROM, it's time to go straight to BDXL.
 
Carniphage said:
Most developers are not making money.
EA is not making money.
Sony has lost it's shirt
Microsoft has lost a lot of money.

So I'd argue that the business model of the console boxed-game is well and truly broken.

C.
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Activision is making money.
Ubisoft is making money.
Capcom is making money.
The Nintendo DS is making money.
The Nintendo Wii is making money.

Oh, and gamestop is making billions.


We all know it won't last. It's just not dead yet. Not while there is large amounts of money to be made in the market.
 
toke lahti said:
I wouldn't mind if Apple would lag only one generation behind current technology.
If bd is bag of hurt, what bdxl is then?
Truckfull of kill?
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Apple will use blu-ray drive in Mac, when next Generation gold-ray, white-ray, pink-ray; what ever they will call it; is about to release! Exactly like GPU in Mac Pro. ATI HD5870 has been released for Mac, while PC owners are waiting for ATI HD 6000 series to be released within the next two months!!
That is normal and I won't describe as an issue. Just do not blame Apple for it :cool:
 
Anuba said:
This afternoon I purchased Logic Studio Pro. It comes on 9 (!) DVDs and I'm currently on DVD #1 with 8 more to go ("Install time remaining: About 2 hours and 27 minutes"). This is the stupidest, most backwards installation procedure I've experienced since installing adventure games in the early 90's (they used to come on a dozen floppies).

As I'm sitting here pondering the senseless waste of time and plastic (this would've fit on one or two Blu-ray discs), I'm thinking... where's your fancy download-centric future now, Steve??
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This is sig worthy.
 
Anuba said:
This afternoon I purchased Logic Studio Pro. It comes on 9 (!) DVDs and I'm currently on DVD #1 with 8 more to go ("Install time remaining: About 2 hours and 27 minutes"). This is the stupidest, most backwards installation procedure I've experienced since installing adventure games in the early 90's (they used to come on a dozen floppies).

As I'm sitting here pondering the senseless waste of time and plastic (this would've fit on one or two Blu-ray discs), I'm thinking... where's your fancy download-centric future now, Steve? A few months ago you painted Adobe as a dinosaur on the verge of extinction and basically told them to get with the program, but Adobe has been selling downloadable versions of their software for years. I haven't bought Creative Suite in a box since 2006. Apple, on the other hands, offers almost nothing in that department. You can download QT, Safari and iTunes, and I think you can get a trial version of iWork and buy a serial number later, but that's it. Logic Studio, Final Cut Studio, it's all DVD-only. And we all know that Apple isn't going to put 50 GB packages up for download anytime soon. In the meantime, how about that Blu-ray option now?
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MOST of that are redundant garage band samples (if you've already installed GB), and samples for Soundtrack Pro for the crowd that "creates" "music" via montage; the optigan part of Logic. Pare all that away and you actually have a fairly streamlined band recording program and sequencer under the hood.

:apple:
 
barberio said:
It'd require a full rewrite of the graphics system, it'd be slower, and it'd be less easy for developers.
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Okay,
it seems that even normal GPU drivers are too hard for Apple to write, so let's hope that they don't even try this. The magical GCD and OpenCL doesn't seem to help in either of the cases...
 
even if he is right in the long run, they should still offer consumers a choice. and there's nothing wrong with blu-ray, so i don't see why they don't support it
 
twoodcc said:
even if he is right in the long run, they should still offer consumers a choice. and there's nothing wrong with blu-ray, so i don't see why they don't support it
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+1 man. thats THE bottom line. sure, ill let apple control us a bit with GPU choices, CPU choices, software, hell even pricing, but NOT when it comes to the very foundation that started mac off in the first place (i.e videography/etc). :mad:
 
toke lahti said:
Okay,
it seems that even normal GPU drivers are too hard for Apple to write, so let's hope that they don't even try this. The magical GCD and OpenCL doesn't seem to help in either of the cases...
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Stop making up stories; Apple doesn't write the GPU drivers - the only thing Apple provides is the OpenGL stack and interface for the driver developers to use.
 
macintoshtoffy said:
Stop making up stories; Apple doesn't write the GPU drivers - the only thing Apple provides is the OpenGL stack and interface for the driver developers to use.
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if apple doesnt write the drivers, then why did nVidia release some extra drivers for their GTX cards on their website - when the normal method is to go via the 10.6.x upgrades?
 
DoFoT9 said:
if apple doesnt write the drivers, then why did nVidia release some extra drivers for their GTX cards on their website - when the normal method is to go via the 10.6.x upgrades?
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Because nVidia and ATI have a contract with Apple where Apple supports the hardware they ship by bundling any updates required for hardware as part of larger updates. nVidia support hardware they ship, they provide drivers for hardware Apple ships.
 
macintoshtoffy said:
Because nVidia and ATI have a contract with Apple where Apple supports the hardware they ship by bundling any updates required for hardware as part of larger updates. nVidia support hardware they ship, they provide drivers for hardware Apple ships.
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fair call. i always presumed that Apple would have dedicated employees (teams) to write the drivers for them. guess not!
 
DoFoT9 said:
fair call. i always presumed that Apple would have dedicated employees (teams) to write the drivers for them. guess not!
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I guess they should. In past it has been co-operation.
Anyway, there's no excuse for Apple for not providing better drivers.
Once again, they could if they wanted.
 
xbjllb said:
MOST of that are redundant garage band samples (if you've already installed GB), and samples for Soundtrack Pro for the crowd that "creates" "music" via montage; the optigan part of Logic. Pare all that away and you actually have a fairly streamlined band recording program and sequencer under the hood.

:apple:
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Which is good, but it still doesn't diminish the fact that all of this could have shipped on 1 or 2 Blu-ray disks.
 
toke lahti said:
I guess they should. In past it has been co-operation.
Anyway, there's no excuse for Apple for not providing better drivers.
Once again, they could if they wanted.
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DoFoT9 said:
fair call. i always presumed that Apple would have dedicated employees (teams) to write the drivers for them. guess not!
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If the experience in the open source anything to go by, even if Apple were provided with specifications under and NDA that doesn't mean that it'll be as easy as following an instruction booklet. Many times these drivers are developed at the same time as the hardware itself so that the two come out at the same time - so unless you have some one in the organisation constantly conversing with the engineers I have fear that if Apple could take it in house we would see an even bigger lag time between hardware availability, drivers developing and eventually seeing it on the Mac.

What I do think Apple need to do is provide greater stability and optimising their side of the equation; at the end of the day it takes two to tango, so even if nVidia optimise their code to high heaven they'll be held back if the Apple implementation of OpenGL is hampered. Hopefully the updated drivers currently in testing (via the developer site) will yield some major improvements not only in speed but also reliability and stability too.
 
macintoshtoffy said:
...if Apple could take it in house we would see an even bigger lag time between hardware availability, drivers developing and eventually seeing it on the Mac.
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I find it really hard to believe that when Apple is really soon going to be worlds biggest computer brand with billions of cash, they still couldn't make good drivers in time.
I just find it too much more believable that they just don't care.
Good enough driver is good enough for them. And that means average 1.5 generations behind windows and fraction of rendering power.
 
Was searching today of how to hook my PS3 upto my iMac and it occured to me the answer to why.

Bloody iTunes. Why would Steve in his finite wisdom let Blu Ray near Macs when they sell videos on iTunes, HD vids (except not real HD). Imagine you've just watched Dark Knight on BluRay in your 27" iMac and you download an episode of your favourite show and you see how crap it looks compared to BluRay.

I appreciate Apple wants to make money but its fundamental to having a good user experience with Macs. The software on 1 BRD would be so much better than the 6 I think that guy had with CS5. If it wasn't for OSX I would fully migrate to Sony - laptop, desktop, mp3 player. That said, BluRay is well and truly in Sony's court since they invested in it.

It's not Apple being backwards its Apple being greedy, just like USB 3.0 cause Steve would love everyone to stop using USB drives and you'd end up with everyone having Firewire pendrives.
 
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