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I have to agree with Jobs. Blu-Ray clearly is "a bag of hurt".
To be able to watch a movie in DTS-HD, i had to have AnyDVD HD loaded in the background. And sometimes i even needed to rip the disc on my HD first, before i could be able to watch it. Not to mention all that frustrating process to put the movie on my Iphone. From ripping, converting and all that, i wasted like 4-5 hours. Whether with a normal DVD, i just load up Handbrake and within 20-30 minutes i have my movie ready to be synched with Itunes.
HD or not, to me it's just irrelevant. And i can't really understand all this HD fuzz. Even a dvd-rip encoded in H.264 looks already great. :rolleyes:
 
I find it really hard to believe that when Apple is really soon going to be worlds biggest computer brand with billions of cash, they still couldn't make good drivers in time.

Which has absolutely NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING what so ever to do with the conversation - do you have the slightest *CLUE* on how a driver is written, how hardware is documented etc?

I just find it too much more believable that they just don't care.
Good enough driver is good enough for them. And that means average 1.5 generations behind windows and fraction of rendering power.

It has nothing to do with 'caring', it has to do with priorities - why invest money into an area where only a small number of users will yield benefits? For people like me, who don't play games, who don't exercise OpenGL extensively, the issue of 'performance' is pretty much a non-issue given my concerns are more on making sure things work as they should. So far I have owned this mid-2009 laptop for around 4-5 months and experienced no problems - and I have a feeling that this is the case for most people out there as well.

The graphics concerns are being addressed because Apple see that people are making greater use of OpenGL not only within Apple (Core Animation within Safari as one example) but also by games companies. You allocate resources to areas that are being utilised, not simply to areas to keep the MacRumors crowd happy.
 
HD or not, to me it's just irrelevant. And i can't really understand all this HD fuzz. Even a dvd-rip encoded in H.264 looks already great. :rolleyes:
Can you believe there was time when people even travelled to movie theather to watch huge, beatiful, high quality pictures?
What a waste of time!

Ever thought that bd ripping would be a lot faster if macs had fast connections (eSata/usb3) and re-encoding would really use full potential of latest GPU's and all those fancy terms like "Core Video", "Grand Central Dispatch", "OpenCL", etc.?
 
Which has absolutely NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING what so ever to do with the conversation - do you have the slightest *CLUE* on how a driver is written, how hardware is documented etc?
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So far I have owned this mid-2009 laptop for around 4-5 months and experienced no problems - and I have a feeling that this is the case for most people out there as well.
Yeah, if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for others and Apple.

My clues doesn't change the situation how Apple has been lagging in hardware & software development in recent years. And it's really relevant to this thread.

Optical discs aren't dead, almost every mac has optical drive and it's the only way to install Apple's software, so macs & Apple needs it.
Maybe you would be also happy if macs had only cd-roms and next FCS would ship in 30 cd's to install and installation took 10 hours.
Small scale video distribution could also still be done in VHS, just send the tape and the VCR to client.
Year 2005 was "the year of HD" and it isn't 2005 any more, so who needs HD anyway?
iPad can't even show it, so let's forget all about it.
 
Yeah, if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for others and Apple.

My clues doesn't change the situation how Apple has been lagging in hardware & software development in recent years. And it's really relevant to this thread.

Optical discs aren't dead, almost every mac has optical drive and it's the only way to install Apple's software, so macs & Apple needs it.
Maybe you would be also happy if macs had only cd-roms and next FCS would ship in 30 cd's to install and installation took 10 hours.
Small scale video distribution could also still be done in VHS, just send the tape and the VCR to client.
Year 2005 was "the year of HD" and it isn't 2005 any more, so who needs HD anyway?
iPad can't even show it, so let's forget all about it.

Amazing how the lack of bluray hasn't killed Apple - oh, thats right, because the vast majority of laptops sold these days don't have BluRay support!
 
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Amazing how the lack of bluray hasn't killed Apple - oh, thats right, because the vast majority of laptops sold these days don't have BluRay support!

But the vast majority of laptops in the price range of a Mac at least offer blu-ray as an option.
 
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But the vast majority of laptops in the price range of a Mac at least offer blu-ray as an option.

Bullcrap - go onto Dell online NZ and look at their Studio range - all of them with DVD as standard.

Btw, I don't care about BluRay 'reading' - either provide complete read-write of BluRay or don't waste my time.
 
Bullcrap - go onto Dell online NZ and look at their Studio range - all of them with DVD as standard.

Btw, I don't care about BluRay 'reading' - either provide complete read-write of BluRay or don't waste my time.

Sure, the blu-ray drives on the studio series isn't standard, but it is available.

I agree that a read-write would be ideal, but having a read only drive would be better than nothing.
 
Sure, the blu-ray drives on the studio series isn't standard, but it is available.

I agree that a read-write would be ideal, but having a read only drive would be better than nothing.

Which is entirely useless for me - either write or don't waste my time; If all I'm going to be is playing second fiddle in the form of read only then why even bother? The only reason I'd ever need BluRay on my laptop is for writing large files to it - other than that I'd sooner see Apple get rid of the optical drive entirely, sell a USB driver of some sort and have a bigger battery instead.
 
Can you believe there was time when people even travelled to movie theather to watch huge, beatiful, high quality pictures?
What a waste of time!

Ever thought that bd ripping would be a lot faster if macs had fast connections (eSata/usb3) and re-encoding would really use full potential of latest GPU's and all those fancy terms like "Core Video", "Grand Central Dispatch", "OpenCL", etc.?

Yeah, i know. But more than wasting time ripping the movie, i would prefer to have a software made by Apple that allows me to pop in my BluRay movie and "just watch it". DVDPlayer could had been the perfect successor of Windows PowerDVD, if Apple introduced all the necessary plugins since 2002 (MLP decoding & full DVD-Audio playback with slideshows, menu's and everything.) Sure, even that format was highly protected with CPPM and digital watermarks, as it is BluRay now. But hell, i remember that back in 2004 i could just pop my 24-bit SoundBlaster PCMCIA and play my DVD-Audio's in full multi-channel surround sound with every Windows software. Why Apple has never do that? Even Steve Jobs himself once claimed that he liked to see full SACD (the opponent format of DVD-Audio) playback and integration with Itunes, and he never do anything.
I know they are both dead, but at the time you could see people buying digital decoders, universal DVD players and 24-bit soundcards for hearing their favorite records re-mastered in Surround.
So my opinion is that: i don't care if someone needs BluRay playback on the Mac but, since we are in 2010 and the BluRay is becoming the new standard even for data recording, Apple has to offer the option to have at least a BD burner on their high-end models.
 
To be able to watch a movie in DTS-HD, i had to have AnyDVD HD loaded in the background. And sometimes i even needed to rip the disc on my HD first, before i could be able to watch it. Not to mention all that frustrating process to put the movie on my Iphone. From ripping, converting and all that, i wasted like 4-5 hours.
LOL, that's like owning a Ferrari and then having it pulled over a gravel road by a bunch of donkeys! :rolleyes:

HD or not, to me it's just irrelevant. And i can't really understand all this HD fuzz. Even a dvd-rip encoded in H.264 looks already great. :rolleyes:
Trust me, if you had a decent home theater with at least 5.1 surround sound and DTS you would understand...
But you are clearly not the quality endorsing type nor a real movie buff, therefore BluRay would indeed be a total waste on you.

Steve Job's problem: Once home theater brats get used to BluRay, they are forever lost for iTunes movie quality or SD DVD's. iTS movies are pretty watchable on tiny iPhone, iPad and notebook screens, but hardly bearable on anything bigger than 30".

Steve Jobs KNOWS that - that's why he is trying to knock down BD on every occasion.

Heck, even my Apple evangelical friend and fanboy extraordinaire returned his Apple TV after two days of use. He then purchased a WD TV Live instead and now streams movie content directly from his iMac.
It is sad enough that any halfway decent HDTV rip in MKV format still beats the crap out of that measly iTS-HD stuff Apple offers at BD disc prices!
When even QUALITY FANS willing to pay for content have to tap into illegal sources to get the download quality they really want, then Apple and to an even greater extend the studios are making a terrible mistake!!!

Honestly, here in Europe iTunes movies at their current standard wouldn't have the slightest market chance even if Apple really tried. BluRay is already way too popular, even among ordinary people!
I think that's why Apple doesn't put too much effort into get feature movie licensed for the European iTunes stores...
 
Which is good, but it still doesn't diminish the fact that all of this could have shipped on 1 or 2 Blu-ray disks.

I absolutely couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, just to spite Sony and Blu-ray and everyone demanding it, Jobs is more likely to DECREASE THE DELIVERY SIZE OF SOFTWARE, LOWER THE PRICE, and PROVIDE LESS.

I find it really hard to believe that when Apple is really soon going to be worlds biggest computer brand with billions of cash, they still couldn't make good drivers in time.
I just find it too much more believable that they just don't care.
Good enough driver is good enough for them. And that means average 1.5 generations behind windows and fraction of rendering power.

Apple is leaving the computer business. It's more than obvious.

Was searching today of how to hook my PS3 upto my iMac and it occured to me the answer to why.

Bloody iTunes. Why would Steve in his finite wisdom let Blu Ray near Macs when they sell videos on iTunes, HD vids (except not real HD). Imagine you've just watched Dark Knight on BluRay in your 27" iMac and you download an episode of your favourite show and you see how crap it looks compared to BluRay.

I appreciate Apple wants to make money but its fundamental to having a good user experience with Macs. The software on 1 BRD would be so much better than the 6 I think that guy had with CS5. If it wasn't for OSX I would fully migrate to Sony - laptop, desktop, mp3 player. That said, BluRay is well and truly in Sony's court since they invested in it.

It's not Apple being backwards its Apple being greedy, just like USB 3.0 cause Steve would love everyone to stop using USB drives and you'd end up with everyone having Firewire pendrives.

Yep. All about forcing crappy downloads on idiots who Apple hopes will never ever see a Blu-ray on a plasma, and is doing everything in their power to try and insure that complete impossibility, to the point of the suicide of their computer line.

I have to agree with Jobs. Blu-Ray clearly is "a bag of hurt".
To be able to watch a movie in DTS-HD, i had to have AnyDVD HD loaded in the background. And sometimes i even needed to rip the disc on my HD first, before i could be able to watch it. Not to mention all that frustrating process to put the movie on my Iphone. From ripping, converting and all that, i wasted like 4-5 hours. Whether with a normal DVD, i just load up Handbrake and within 20-30 minutes i have my movie ready to be synched with Itunes.
HD or not, to me it's just irrelevant. And i can't really understand all this HD fuzz. Even a dvd-rip encoded in H.264 looks already great. :rolleyes:

One day you'll grow up, spend more time making money than ripping [off?] things, and you'll be able to afford a 65" Plasma and you'll actually see a Blu-ray or two on it.

THEN you'll get it. It's about being able to INTEGRATE all the BEST quality media in your life. Not the worst. The harder you work, the more you earn, the less you steal, and the more you feel you deserve the best life has to offer; not second or even third-best.

Yeah, i know. But more than wasting time ripping the movie, i would prefer to have a software made by Apple that allows me to pop in my BluRay movie and "just watch it". DVDPlayer could had been the perfect successor of Windows PowerDVD, if Apple introduced all the necessary plugins since 2002 (MLP decoding & full DVD-Audio playback with slideshows, menu's and everything.) Sure, even that format was highly protected with CPPM and digital watermarks, as it is BluRay now. But hell, i remember that back in 2004 i could just pop my 24-bit SoundBlaster PCMCIA and play my DVD-Audio's in full multi-channel surround sound with every Windows software. Why Apple has never do that? Even Steve Jobs himself once claimed that he liked to see full SACD (the opponent format of DVD-Audio) playback and integration with Itunes, and he never do anything.
I know they are both dead, but at the time you could see people buying digital decoders, universal DVD players and 24-bit soundcards for hearing their favorite records re-mastered in Surround.
So my opinion is that: i don't care if someone needs BluRay playback on the Mac but, since we are in 2010 and the BluRay is becoming the new standard even for data recording, Apple has to offer the option to have at least a BD burner on their high-end models.

The only question is, will they do it BEFORE everyone stops buying their computers and recognizes them for the archaic junk they are, or AFTER everyone else catches on? Here, where we're ahead of the curve aside from Apple shills and ignorant fanbois, the prospect is not looking good.

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LOL, that's like owning a Ferrari and then having it pulled over a gravel road by a bunch of donkeys! :rolleyes:

I never installed Windows on my Mac, i tried it with my old desktop.


Trust me, if you had a decent home theater with at least 5.1 surround sound and DTS you would understand...
But you are clearly not the quality endorsing type nor a real movie buff, therefore BluRay would indeed be a total waste on you.

I have a decent 40" LCD with a digital decoder, and i'm already happy with DVD quality.

Steve Job's problem: Once home theater brats get used to BluRay, they are forever lost for iTunes movie quality or SD DVD's. iTS movies are pretty watchable on tiny iPhone, iPad and notebook screens, but hardly bearable on anything bigger than 30".

If you want to hear my real thoughts on Steve Jobs, i don't support nor i take everything he says as a God signal. I don't like for example the fact that Iphone doesn't have Flash, which is something IT SHOULD had been incorporated since the first day of the Iphone.

Steve Jobs KNOWS that - that's why he is trying to knock down BD on every occasion.

Marketing purpose is the only thing that comes to my mind.

Heck, even my Apple evangelical friend and fanboy extraordinaire returned his Apple TV after two days of use. He then purchased a WD TV Live instead and now streams movie content directly from his iMac.
It is sad enough that any halfway decent HDTV rip in MKV format still beats the crap out of that measly iTS-HD stuff Apple offers at BD disc prices!
When even QUALITY FANS willing to pay for content have to tap into illegal sources to get the download quality they really want, then Apple and to an even greater extend the studios are making a terrible mistake!!!

What about Apple's politic regarding warranty?? Here in Italy they only give you 1 yr of warranty for every Apple product you buy, whether for the Italian law every company has to offer 24 months of warranty. I guess these are THE MOST important things that need to be sorted out.
Btw, i never relied on Itunes for my downloads. Some b-sides or rare tracks by some artists like Nine Inch Nails, for example, are not available there.

Honestly, here in Europe iTunes movies at their current standard wouldn't have the slightest market chance even if Apple really tried. BluRay is already way too popular, even among ordinary people!

Not in Italy, though. I don't see many people buying BluRay players or BluRay discs, but i do see more and more people buying HD DVB systems for watching football matches in HD and movie features in HD from SKY HD.

I absolutely couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, just to spite Sony and Blu-ray and everyone demanding it, Jobs is more likely to DECREASE THE DELIVERY SIZE OF SOFTWARE, LOWER THE PRICE, and PROVIDE LESS.



Apple is leaving the computer business. It's more than obvious.



Yep. All about forcing crappy downloads on idiots who Apple hopes will never ever see a Blu-ray on a plasma, and is doing everything in their power to try and insure that complete impossibility, to the point of the suicide of their computer line.



One day you'll grow up, spend more time making money than ripping [off?] things, and you'll be able to afford a 65" Plasma and you'll actually see a Blu-ray or two on it.
THEN you'll get it. It's about being able to INTEGRATE all the BEST quality media in your life. Not the worst. The harder you work, the more you earn, the less you steal, and the more you feel you deserve the best life has to offer; not second or even third-best.

I know exactly what you mean. But personally, i don't feel like BluRay is taking my whole life away. I can live without it, and i do understand most of the arguments there are on this board. Some people want it, some people don't. And as i said in my previous post, Apple should REALLY give an option to incorporate BluRay players/recorders as an option for those that ask them....like Dell, Toshiba or any other company that already does this. At a fair price, of course.



The only question is, will they do it BEFORE everyone stops buying their computers and recognizes them for the archaic junk they are, or AFTER everyone else catches on? Here, where we're ahead of the curve aside from Apple shills and ignorant fanbois, the prospect is not looking good.

I don't feel like a fanboy. I personally use Mac mainly for work. They're good computers, and Mac OSX is a solid OS. My opinion regarding the BluRay being "a bag of hurt" was only related to my personal experience...that's it.
But anyway, I guess if Apple continues to follow ONLY his marketing "bible", many people one day won't even go to Macworld Expo's or Keynotes.
 
I can say with good confidence, that yes. Yes you would.
Maybe you're right.
But I'm not going to buy second license to CS.
If OsX would be OEM'med to wide range of pc's, I'd probably use one Mac and one pc with all possible connections and expansions. Former for stability and latter for maximum power/price ratio.

I just hope that when Apple turns Macs to iOS they free OsX.
 
Yep. All about forcing crappy downloads on idiots who Apple hopes will never ever see a Blu-ray on a plasma, and is doing everything in their power to try and insure that complete impossibility, to the point of the suicide of their computer line.

One day you'll grow up, spend more time making money than ripping [off?] things, and you'll be able to afford a 65" Plasma and you'll actually see a Blu-ray or two on it.

Sorry to burst your bubble...

It's about the studios not wanting (or be "greener" depending on your World View) to make physical media, and go to a "Pay-Per-View" model....

Charge someone to watch it each time instead of a disc which allows unlimited viewing. Apple will get a "slice of that pie" each time a person "rents" from the iTunes store.

Get physical media with unlimited viewing - while you still can...
 
i wont be making any judgements until 10.7 and even 10.8 come out - that will be an indication of where they are heading.
If there's ever 10.8 coming out.
Seems to be that their release schedule is stretching.
AFAIK, their official release schedule is still 18 months per version.
It has now been 12 months since the last one and WWDC had nothing about 10.7...
Well, it also took 35 months from Leopard to Snow...
 
LOL, that's like owning a Ferrari and then having it pulled over a gravel road by a bunch of donkeys.

haha, exactly.
there isn't a single reason for it not to be an option to us users. pleanty of reasons not to make it standard, even if not everyone agree's. but it REALLY should be an option.
 
If there's ever 10.8 coming out.
Seems to be that their release schedule is stretching.
AFAIK, their official release schedule is still 18 months per version.
It has now been 12 months since the last one and WWDC had nothing about 10.7...
Well, it also took 35 months from Leopard to Snow...
hmm thats true, they would certainly be working on 10.7 - but who knows when it will come out. apple is so mobile these days and have been working on iOS so much that maybe it will take another 35 months? we are only up to 10.6.4 though.. still a while to go.
 
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